The End Times is getting nearer and nearer
This world has gone mad. There are diseases going around, more natural disasters, hatred of anything having to do with God, rebellion against God and authority, pervsersity, and selfishness.
shareThis world has gone mad. There are diseases going around, more natural disasters, hatred of anything having to do with God, rebellion against God and authority, pervsersity, and selfishness.So in other words, things really haven't changed all that much for the past couple thousand years.
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There has been lots of perversity in the past 2000 years. Lots of it. But what has really changed is the world's and especially America's acceptance of homosexuality and teaching it to little kids.
shareIt's funny that when challenged on what's wrong with the world and how things haven't actually changed that much you always bring up homosexuality as being the culprit.
Now, whether or not you will actually answer this time, why is it so bad to accept homosexuals and where are they "teaching it to little kids".
"why is it so bad to accept homosexuals"
Why is it wrong? Because the bible says so. Cities have been destroyed because of it. "Soddom and Gamorrah (sp?)
People say that the bible is just ancient and inspirational, but not the real word of God. God doesn't exist. If that's true, who determines what's right and wrong? Most atheists will say, "Well I determine what's right and wrong". If that's the case, I can shoot you right now, because I've decided it's right.
Let me ask all you atheists another question-
Do you know everything?
You answer is most likely "no".
Would you say you know half of everything?
Again, probably not. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Lets say you know half of everything.
Is it possible that God exists in the half of things you DON'T know?
The logical answer is yes. If it is possible, then it's possible the bible is right about everything and you will burn in Hell if you don't accept Christ. Based on pure logic, that is a real possibility. Are you really willing to take that chance?
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With all the problems we have on earth today do you really think that homosexuality (which has been around for thousands of years) is the reason the earth will be destroyed?
shareWhy is it wrong? Because the bible says so. Cities have been destroyed because of it. "Soddom and Gamorrah (sp?)Funny thing is that when pressed on this people always bring up Leviticus as the reason yet don't mind the other stuff there. If homosexuality is bad because what it says in Leviticus, yet eating shellfish is okay because of the New Testament then why is homosexuality still bad?
You can't point to Leviticus as proof for this and then give a pass to the rest of Leviticus.
People say that the bible is just ancient and inspirational, but not the real word of God. God doesn't exist. If that's true, who determines what's right and wrong? Most atheists will say, "Well I determine what's right and wrong". If that's the case, I can shoot you right now, because I've decided it's right.Nice strawman, but totally wrong.
Society determines what is right and what is wrong and has laws to protect it's citizens from dangerous nutjobs that walk around thinking they can kill whomever they want.
Silly question because it's not possible to know everything assuming of course by "everything" you mean everything that ever was, is and will be. But I'll play along and say "no".
Let me ask all you atheists another question-
Do you know everything?
You answer is most likely "no".
Would you say you know half of everything?Again highly doubtful but we'll go with that for the moment.
Again, probably not. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Lets say you know half of everything.
Is it possible that God exists in the half of things you DON'T know?Fail.
The logical answer is yes.
The logical answer is not "yes". If you really want to get technical, the best you can hope for is a "maybe". If it's not something you can prove, you can't say that such and such a thing exists or it's possible it exists in the absence of evidence. Take anything else you can imagine and plug that into your statement instead of "god" and you might begin to see how this works. If you accept that "god" might exist outside of our current understanding, then you must also give the same consideration to pink dragons, flying purple people eaters, the Great Old Ones, leprechauns, mermaids, etc.
If it is possible, then it's possible the bible is right about everything and you will burn in Hell if you don't accept Christ. Based on pure logic, that is a real possibility.Again, that's a fail as it's simply not "pure logic". This is nothing but Pascal's Wager which is a logical fallacy in that it assumes such a deity exists to begin with.
And besides, if you want to follow that then who's to say you're following the right one? If you choose to follow Jesus and it's actually Zeus that's the real god then you'll suffer in the pits of Tartarus for the rest of eternity. Or if it's Odin, you'll freeze in the depths of Nifelheim. Or just about any other version of hell out there is waiting for you if you choose the wrong religion to follow.
Are you really willing to take that chance?Yes. I'm 100% convinced that I'm right and when I die, I simply die. You can keep your heaven. I'd much prefer oblivion. share
Straws? Really? lol!
I never quoted Leviticus. Let me give a new testament passage from AFTER Jesus abolished the old ceremonial laws: Romans 1:26-32 (emphesis added)
The bible says, "For this cause God gave them up unto VILE affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is AGAINST NATURE. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is UNSEEMLY, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convinient; being filled with all unrightouness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy murder, debate, deceit, malignity, whisperers, backstabbers, haters of God, despitful, proud, boaster, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmercieful" who knowing the judgment of God that THEY THAT COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
Sounds pretty clear to me. Even after the new covenant.
"Society determines what is right and what is wrong and has laws to protect it's citizens from dangerous nutjobs that walk around thinking they can kill whomever they want. "
And who determines what society says is right and wrong? People. Who decides for the people? If you're a Christian, God does, if you're an athiest, the individual person does.
"The logical answer is not "yes". If you really want to get technical, the best you can hope for is a "maybe"."
But if you only know half of everything, the proof for the possibility of God could be in the half you don't know.
"This is nothing but Pascal's Wager which is a logical fallacy in that it assumes such a deity exists to begin with. "
The assumtion came from the first half of my example. If there's a possibility for God then there is a possibility the bible is true.
Or, in language you might prefer, If maybe there is a God, then maybe the bible is true.
"Yes. I'm 100% convinced that I'm right and when I die, I simply die. You can keep your heaven. I'd much prefer oblivion."
I'm sorry you feel this way. You may be "convinced", but can you gurantee that, 100%? I hope someday you come to accept the truth.
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Agreed. The anti-homosexuality cult just annoy me.
To the anti-Gay types:
(The rest of this post on the assumption that homosexuality is a sin)
All sins equally separate us from God. As such, why are we so worried about homosexuality? Adultery is FAR more rampant, and probably more damaging (except in the case where the homosexual behaviour is also adulterous).
Leviticus is pretty down on lots of 'sexual perversions', most of which are still considered pretty crude by today's standards. Incest, beastiality etc, but there are a few that aren't:
Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period
Trust me, this is more far reaching than the vast majority of people just not having sex when a woman has her period. Read the whole lot of the Pentateuch for more information.
Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
This is the adultery bit.
Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
This is the abortion issues, but also the contraceptive pill.
So, why just pick on the poor gays? Get busy on the people taking the pill and committing adultery... oh, but then you'd have a harder job on your hand would'nt you?
Better still. Read the bit that Jesus teaches about grace replacing the Mosaic law... or if you're not going to do that, I hope you haven't got a foreskin, and have ensured that your minister has perfect testes or you're truly screwed!
... and Spilt dismounts his high horse.
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What did JESUS say about homosexuality? That's right, absolutely nothing. And since Christianity is built upon the teachings of Jesus, logially, homosexuality isn't a sin.
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Well, for something that is supposed to be written by a "perfect" being, the Bible seems rather kludged together and rather fails - miserably - to give, ah, straight answers to life's questions.
shareAll doctrine in The Bible was written by Him through men.
Wrong. EPIC fail. The Bible was written by men.
Logic doesn't lead one to the mere "possibility" that God exists. Logic can only be used if evidence makes it probably that God exists. The existence of a Bible does not constitute such evidence.
Why? Ockham's Razor. There are two possibilities:
1. That the Bible represents God's will, and was only written by way of Men.
2. That the Bible was written by ordinary Men, not moved by any Divine Spirit.
The simpler of the two is the latter.
And you need to do a little reading up on Social Contract theory before you start bashing it as infinitely inferior to divine authority. Mankind is perfectly capable of recognizing the need for laws, and what those laws should be, and that those laws should apply equally to all, without need of divine intervention.
I can say that the topic of the thread is correct and that this would is going down hill fast. What may bring some anger is that a part of the Christian movement called Evangelicals is helping it happen. For one the Bible isn't a law book and it's not up to believers to enforce the world. Also the stupidity of this group in who they vote for is also insane. Extreme right wingers through out those catch phrases like Pro-Life and Anti-Gay and they jump all over it. They don't even look at who the candidate really is. Those words alone is all they look at.
What made Christianity in the country great in the past is that publicly we have always had a choice. It wasn't in your face and most churches didn't look at the Bible as a law book. If the Evangelical Church want's to play the law cards here is one for you. Stop pointing out that spec in someone else eye when you have a beam in your own.
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