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Why does the killer's hand disappear 30 yrs later?


If the killer's hand was blown off by Quaid 30 years earlier, why is his hand shrivelling up and disappearing only 30 years after it gets blown off? Shouldn't he have no hand for the last 30 years?

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It's like the cigarette burn on the desk; John sees it changing because up until that point in his personal history the killer hadn't been caught.



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I think there's a certain kind of ripple effect that those within range of the focal point, the family's transistor radio in the case of Frequency, are partially immune to and thus retain some of their original memories and/or notice the changing effects around them. Think kinda like the scene in Butterfly Effect when the Kutcher character goes back in time with a prison inmate holding on to him, intent on proving a point to him by creating scars on his hands via impaling them in the distant past, the inmate is able to immune past the ripple effect when in contact with him during this and recall he didn't have these scars before. That seems to be the same idea shown in Frequency as far as I can tell.

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Because even though it happened 30 years ago, the past changed right at that moment. Before that moment, he wasn't shot in the hand in the past. The killer never went into Quaid's house before that. It took changing the events in the past to lead to that moment. Like Quaid going to the police station and knowing who the killer was and the killer knowing where he lived for that to happen.

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What about when the past is changed and Caviezel has the memories of the new past? So his hand should've been "always" gone.

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No. The killer had his hand in the bar. His right hand. The director makes sure we see it. That is what sends the 1999 killer to johns house.
John talking to him the bar sets it all in motion.

In 1969 the killer showsup on the same night. He didnt drown and his hand is fine. So when frank shoots his hand off in 1969 its gone in a flash. That is why his hand doesnt disappear in 1999 til the past changes.

I think this should be easy to understand.

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No. The killer had his hand in the bar. His right hand. The director makes sure we see it. That is what sends the 1999 killer to johns house.

In 1969 the killer showsup on the same night. He didnt drown and his hand is fine. So when frank shoots his hand off in 1969 its gone in a flash. That is why his hand doesnt disappear in 1999 til the past changes.

I think this should be easy to understand.

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The sounds on the radio are still manipulating the events as they are effecting what's happening in the past at the same time as the future.

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The killer's hand disappears because he is attacking the father at the same time he is wrestling with the son. It happens simultaneously because as the father shoots the killer's hand, the son is hitting him thirty years later. Time has folded onto itself just as it did when the father was carving "I'm still here chief" in the desk and John was seeing it appear.

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It was a bit of film fantasy. If his hand had been blown off 30 years earlier, it would have been missing for the entire film.

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It was a bit of film fantasy. If his hand had been blown off 30 years earlier, it would have been missing for the entire film.


Well it was. But the time lines were being constantly altered due to Frank's actions in the past.

So when Frank uses the rifle in the past, that means the 1999 Shepherd has to lose the hand that he couldn't now have, just as he was trying to kill John..

It takes a bit of getting used to, but it works for me.

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Because past and present were happening at the same time.

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Good question. I have one about the father saving the son in the future. How was he in the house so fast? He had to get the memories of his past as they were happening, and get to his son's house. But for your question, after reading the posts, I think it's timing. The same day, same time in the film's universe.

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I have one about the father saving the son in the future. How was he in the house so fast? He had to get the memories of his past as they were happening, and get to his son's house. But for your question, after reading the posts, I think it's timing. The same day, same time in the film's universe.

I don't get the whole the killer escapes from the house in 1969 to be alive in 1999 only to have his hand melt and be killed by old Frank in the same house. This killer was out there for 30 years and Frank just waited for this moment in 1999 to kill him or have him locked up? Did he continue killing nurses in those 30 years? That whole scene is just completely confusing.

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I think they explained more women died, I think (I need to watch again). As for the hand, since he lost it in the new past, (him going to Frank's home, instead of dying at the hospital, since Frank's wife was working and saved him. She was working because Frank didn't die, and she was not called away from work, or she went to work, instead of being home and getting the call about Frank). He lost the hand at the same time 30 years later.

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Shouldn't he have no hand for the last 30 years?


No.

Both HAM radios were constantly linked together, exactly 30 years apart, throughout the whole movie. When John Sullivan lived a day, Frank Sullivan lived a day... The next time they talk to each other, the same amount of time has passed for each of them...

JOHN altered the past by talking to Frank, and affecting his actions. Whatever "Present" John was experiencing in the movie at any given moment, was only as a result of what Frank was going to do in John's past, at the moment of their LAST conversation. Every time John had another conversation with Frank, the past for JOHN changed, at that moment. Sometimes they were small changes that John did not notice, and sometimes they were huge changes...

But, in time travel movies there are moments that are in a state of flux, and can be changed, until that specific event actually occurs, and makes it part of history.

At the moment, Frank "went the other way" at the Buxton warehouse fire, and did not die, John received new memories of Frank living longer, but dying of cancer.

For a while, julia was NOT murdered by Jack because Julia had NOT YET saved Jack... Frank's actions apparently affected Julia in a way, that Julia was either... Still not at the hospital, or didn't notice that Jack was about to die and needed to be saved.

JOHN remembered Julia still being alive in his "Present". JOHN, then told Frank about his life. Afterwards, Frank then affected what Julia did... In the movie, Frank THEN goes to see Julia at the Hospital, and while they were talking, Julia saves Jack. The instant, Jack is saved, JOHN now is living in a "Present" where Julia has been murdered.

Jack still has his Hand in the Past and the Present, because John has NOT YET asked Frank to solved the Nightingale Murder Case.

JOHN continues to alter the past by talking to Frank again and again.

Events are set in motion, but they are not set in stone...

Why does the killer's hand disappear 30 yrs later?


Finally, the big moment comes in the past, where Jack comes to the Sullivan house, and Jack's hand gets blown off. This event is now "SET IN STONE", and is a part of History. At that moment, John's PAST changes, and Jack's hand in the PRESENT, shrivels up and is gone.

In the Past, "one handed" Jack runs out of the house... and Frank, Julia, and "Little Chief", are now completely safe from Jack...

The time connection between the two HAM radios quits, and... eventually Frank quits smoking and doesn't get cancer... Frank is still alive 30 years later...

In the present, the whole timeline for John changes one more time, and Frank shoots "one handed" Jack and kills him, and saves John.

What happened to "one handed" Jack during those 30 Years, and how he came back to the Sullivan House is unknown...

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