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Johnny is the most intelligent human being ever in human history...

posted 11 years ago by Gabe1972
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Somehow, when Terl takes Johnny to the library, he is magically able to read and absorb all sorts of useful information. Then, when planning the events that lead to the rebellion, he is able to read diagrams, instructions for flying planes, and how to detonate a very sophisticated thermonuclear device, which he was somehow able to alter from a warhead or a bomb into being able to be carried, by one person (again, his genius was able to miniaturize the weapon so it could be carried, quite easily, by a single person, which took thousands of scientist many years to accomplish), and detonated with a press of a button. He was able to alter the sophisticated codes and such to make it be able to detonate by pressing a button.

But see, it's not only this. He was able to enable other people, who previously were forest dwelling newt eaters, to be able to learn to fly attack planes, in an extremely short amount of time, mind you, against experienced alien dudes in their boxy looking planes, and shoot them down with precision. Normally this would take years to accomplish, but not with Johnny's boys. They did it in a week or so. Holy Smokin' Joe!!!

So all in all, I have to say that Johnny, or greener, or whatever they are calling him on any given day, is definitely the most intelligent person to have ever walked the earth.

You know what it might have been? Xenu, the dictator of the Galactic Galaxy, was sent down by L Ron Hubbard himself to teach Johnny and his followers all of these useful little tools. Perhaps he threw a bunch of thetans at him and they stuck, transferring all of their knowledge to him. Well, the truth is, he wasn't audited, so we will never know.

You'd think that when Terl and his buddies were sitting around one night, drinking "pans" of fermented, original flavor Gatorade, they would have gotten a kick out of auditing some of the man animals. You see, if they would have done this auditing, they would have discovered the Thetans attached to Johnny which became their downfall. Oh well, it was probably hard to do anything, being that the entire planet was set at a 45 degree angle. It would have been hard to get from place to place. Poor Terl.

Oh well, great film! Gripping, very thought provoking, and definitely better than any movie ever created. In reality, Hubbard wrote it trillions of years ago and could only remember it after finally getting here on his DC-8. All it took was a little auditing.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

[–] movie_nazi 11 years ago

You forget that Jonnie was cheating on the "Learning machine" pretending that it was taking that long to learn the Psychlo language when in reality he learned that his first day. The rest of the time he used it to absorb as much information as possible. So yeah, using this fictional machine he very well could have been the smartest human in history.

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[–] Gabe1972 11 years ago

It might have explained a few things, but many others still make no sense. Sort of like the film. Or people looking at Kanye West as a role model. Or Scientology (oops, I should watch the Scientology cracks...Zemu fly here in his deluxe space DC-8 and throw me into a volcano).

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

[–] Norse_Sage 11 years ago

Well Johnny Goodboy Tyler (what a name) is written as a thinly disguised version L. Ron Hubbard himself, self appointed saviour of mankind, so yeah, he is portrayed like the smartest guy there ever was.

Which really says more about the inflated self image of the lardass snakeoil salesman Hubbard than anything else.

Tesla was robbed!

[–] movie_nazi 11 years ago

Well Johnny Goodboy Tyler (what a name) is written as a thinly disguised version L. Ron Hubbard himself, self appointed saviour of mankind, so yeah, he is portrayed like the smartest guy there ever was.

Which really says more about the inflated self image of the lardass snakeoil salesman Hubbard than anything else.

Look, I'm as much a hater of Scientology and LRH's rubbish as the next sensible man but do we really know that he was basing the Jonnie character on himself? Before he was a snakeoil salesman he was a science fiction writer albeit not a very good one. I'm not denying your claim per se but is there proof of this claim?

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[–] Gabe1972 11 years ago

I've heard that before, although I've never really seen the connection between Scientology and the film itself. I know that it was backed, written and produced by Scientologists, but I still don't see the connection. Perhaps I don't know enough about the cult to make that determination. To me it was just a story of primitive people fighting off their alien oppressors.

On a side note, your name "movie nazi" can be construed as a bit offensive, even if it's not meant to be.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

[–] movie_nazi 11 years ago

On a side note, your name "movie nazi" can be construed as a bit offensive, even if it's not meant to be.

Check out the third definition at the following link:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nazi?s=t

I mean if it is entered in dictionaries I think it has surpassed the street slang stage. If people do not know by now that the word nazi doesn't solely refer to the national socialist of WWII then let them wallow in their own ignorance.

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[–] Gabe1972 11 years ago

It doesn't matter what a dictionary says. It can still be offensive. Even your third definition suggested this. There was no word NAZI before the National Socialist German Workers Party, so if you think that the word isn't ALWAYS and ALL WAYS connected to that, then you are sorely mistaken.

I'm not saying that in your context it has the same connotation, I'm just saying that it CAN be offensive to some people. And if it is, who are you to tell them they are wrong? It's not ignorance. Tell the millions of families around the world that have a direct connection to it that they are ignorant. It's you who seem to have the ignorance. But I do understand. There are many people who simply don't understand what the word, in any use, can mean to people. Or simply don't care. I think you would be included in the latter.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

[–] movie_nazi 11 years ago

I'm not saying that in your context it has the same connotation, I'm just saying that it CAN be offensive to some people. And if it is, who are you to tell them they are wrong? It's not ignorance. Tell the millions of families around the world that have a direct connection to it that they are ignorant. It's you who seem to have the ignorance. But I do understand. There are many people who simply don't understand what the word, in any use, can mean to people. Or simply don't care. I think you would be included in the latter.

Whatever man. If I was referring to the political party then what exactly would be a movie nazi? Moron. It's pretty common knowledge that the word "nazi" is used to describe someone who is extreme or in this case over critical. I didn't come up with the name. It was given to me because it would seem I could find faults in just about any film that people were all giddy over. Can people find it offensive? Like I said before only ignoramuses would. I really do find it difficult to imagine someone coming on these boards and seeing my handle and saying to themselves, "OMG! There is a Nazi here! After I lost my entire family in WWII to those animals! I am SO OFFENDED! Perhaps I should report this to the Mossad! He could be a fugitive war criminal! He must have been the one who made the propaganda movies for Goebbels!"

Can you see just how dumb that is?

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[–] Gabe1972 11 years ago

Did I say you were a Nazi?

And by the way... your rants speak more about you than I ever could. I think I'll just leave it at that. Have a nice day.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

[–] Norse_Sage 11 years ago

I've heard that before, although I've never really seen the connection between Scientology and the film itself. I know that it was backed, written and produced by Scientologists, but I still don't see the connection. Perhaps I don't know enough about the cult to make that determination. To me it was just a story of primitive people fighting off their alien oppressors.

I probably should begin by stating that the parallels between Johnny Goodboy Tyler and Lafayette Ron Hubbard is in the 1000 page brick of a book "Battlefield Earth", not so much in the movie derived from it.

The novel rivals the complete and unabridged Lord of the Rings in size, scale and scope (but not in quality mind you!!!), and the movie is a mere two hours long. Plenty was lost in adaptation, a lot of parallels between Tyler/Hubbard and the story/Scientology among them.

Look, I'm as much a hater of Scientology and LRH's rubbish as the next sensible man but do we really know that he was basing the Jonnie character on himself? Before he was a snakeoil salesman he was a science fiction writer albeit not a very good one. I'm not denying your claim per se but is there proof of this claim?

If any serious and independent scholar knowledgeable about LRH, both as he was and how he portrayed himself, had given this book the time of the day, analyzed it and published that analysis online - this is where I would have linked to it.

Alas, no serious professional scholar has ever given Hubbard's literary output that time of day, so in lieu of that, you'll have to settle for that I have read the book, and that I have sufficient knowledge about Scientology and Hubbard (both as he portrayed himself and how he was) to spot the parallels and similarities. And they are really, really obvious and easily spottable. So much so that there isn't even any real room for debate. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge about Scientology, Hubbard and literary analysis will see it too, if they can stomach to actually read the damn thing.

"Battlefield Earth" the novel really is a fictionalized retelling of Scientology. The movie might not have had too much to do with Scientology, but the novel sure as hell does.

Humanity as it appears in the beginning of the book is much like hardline Scientologists view our wog world prior to Scientology - man is lost, having forgotten his past, held down by his own ignorance and superstitions and past events that screw him over to this day, he just doesn't know it. Enter Johnny Goodboy Tyler, who was always exceptional in every way (just like Hubbard, whose alleged childhood exploits rivaled those of Kim Jon-Il). "You are too smart for your own good", the tribal elders scold him, and try holding him back. But Tyler is so far beyond them, he has fundamental questions that needs answering. Like Hubbard did, he sets out traveling to learn the answers to his questions. Like Hubbard, he finds the answers to what has been plaguing man. Like Hubbard, he becomes a philosopher, a nuclear physicist, a military commander, and a crapload of other things. Like Hubbard, he walks through "the wall of fire" which nearly kills him, but he escapes alive, and learns the way to "clear the planet" so man can realize himself. Like Hubbard, he finds a batch of followers that see him as a savior and messiah to be worshipped. He has no trouble recruiting an army (essentially the Sea Org) among his followers. Tyler is humble in all of this, he doesn't want to be a hero, but reluctantly accepts the role as champion and figurehead to the people - but his real priority is continued research into the continued salvation for mankind (sound familiar?). And like Hubbard, Tyler eventually gets detractors, despite all the great things he has done in the service of both humanity, the planet, and the universe as a whole. Miserable, jealous, crippled beings who want nothing more to see him fail, just because they are so petty and stupid, and spread lies about him and and corrputing governments to go after him on bogus charges and even ally with the evil psychs to bring him down, jeopardizing the future of the planet and the entire universe in the process. In other words, non-scientologists are potential trouble sources and needs to be shown the light that is the truth of Scientology. And psychiatrists are evil. Eeevvviiiilllll!!!!!!!

And that is just the quick summary. I could embellish craploads more.

Suffice to say, Johhny Goodboy Tyler = L. Ron Hubbard, as he wants to be viewed by Scientologists - and he wants everyone to become a Scientologist.

Tesla was robbed!

[–] movie_nazi 11 years ago

Oh so the book was written after he started "The Cause"? I love referring to it as "The Cause" after watching The Master. If he did write it after then I am with you 100% that the film is definitely meant to be a parallel. I just thought maybe this was one of his sci-fi books that he had written before he started all that BS and that the Scientologists were just trying to cash in on his works. I can't believe you read that book man! LOL . Are you sure you ain't one of the ex-converted?

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[–] Gabe1972 11 years ago

Thank you for taking the time to explain the similarities with the film. Without having read the book, and/or knowing more than what most people know about Scientology, it is difficult to see the connections. I certainly appreciate the explanation of the story in it's more involved form.

I only know about Scientology what most people know about Scientology, which isn't a whole lot, other than knowing that Hubbard pretty much created the whole thing out of his imagination. What I wonder is if he would be happy with the direction it has taken today. Would he be happy that everyone and their brother has heard of it? Would he be happy that celebrities try to talk about how good it is and how it has helped them? Would he be happy that some celebrities put down things that the rest of us do or believe when compared to Scientology's practices? Such as Tom Cruise stating that psychiatrists are quacks. How would he defend himself against everyone thinking that he is a nutball?

All I can say is that the film sure didn't help when it comes to Scientologists looking good in being able to make a decent film. Not the connection to the story, just being able to make a decent film. And the corruption that went along with the production of said film.

I remember a long time ago I had asked my folks to get me "Dianetics" for Christmas, as I didn't know at the time what it was really about, but I'm glad they didn't. Perhaps I would have fallen in with the nutjobs as well.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

[–] Norse_Sage 11 years ago

Oh so the book was written after he started "The Cause"?

Yeah, it was released in 1982. He went on and on about how it should be adapted to a major blockbuster movie, and how John Travolta should star as Johnny Tyler. (This is why Travolta had such a hard on for the project). I think he was inspired by the success of Star Wars, and envisioned the movie as a propaganda tool. The novel clearly is, as it is a fictional retelling of "The Cause" as seen from the perspective of "The Cause."

I can't believe you read that book man! LOL

To be perfectly honest, I actually acquired an audiobook of it. No way in hell will I be seen on the tube going to and back from work reading that book. No føkking way. But the audiobook playd back on my smartphone works fine. The book is rather fascinating. Not good, but fascinating. It is filled with idiocy, the wording an insight into the mind of a madman, Hubbard doesn't master character development or basic science, and he is the single worst writer of female characters I have ever encountered. But when the story deals with backstabbing, conniving, plotting and scheming - wow! That kinda stuff he writes in an excellent manner (apart from the extreme overuse of the word "leverage"), which says it all I guess. I would recommend it to anyone interested in propaganda and insight into the mind of a master con-artist. But from a standalone story perspective, it leaves a lot to be desired. Could have been good with rewrites done by other, more competent authors.

I would also like to add that I obtained it in a manner in which Scientology did not earn a cent.

Are you sure you ain't one of the ex-converted?

Yes, I assure you I have never had any dealings with them myself. I've always been a critical thinker and a skeptic, so their sales pitch raises all kinds of red alerts with me, and always has. I could never fall for that con, especially as what they are selling represents so many of the things the humanist and rationalist in me hate in life, all in one neat package. But it has been so cleverly designed that I find it fascinating, and therefore have done my research into it - as a matter of pure academic interest. I just love to hate Scientology:-)

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I only know about Scientology what most people know about Scientology, which isn't a whole lot

You seem to have gotten the basics. If you are interested in learning more about the madness that is Scientology, I recommend this blog:
http://tonyortega.org/

Fun stuff! After reading some key articles from there, you will know more about Scientology than an actual Scientologist does. For real. It takes them maybe a decade to and 300.000 bucks just to get to Xenu!!! That blog will make you an expert in no time.

Would *Hubbard* be happy that everyone and their brother has heard of it? Would he be happy that celebrities try to talk about how good it is and how it has helped them? Would he be happy that some celebrities put down things that the rest of us do or believe when compared to Scientology's practices? Such as Tom Cruise stating that psychiatrists are quacks.

He'd be ecstatic with all of the above. Psychiatrists aren't merely quacks according to Scientology, they are an ancient universal evil dating back trillions of years that must be destroyed! Not only do they blame Psychiatry for aiding Xenu in his genocide, Scientology even has front-groups that blame psychiatry for the Holocaust, I kid you not! Even in "Battlefield Earth", the villains of the piece, the Psychlos, are thinly veiled psychiatrists. Hence the name. Nostalgia Critic was wrong on that one.

Also, Scientology doesn't accept any other religion or outlook on life. Scientology is the ONLY way (This what K.S.W means, which Tom Cruise finds so profound in his Scientology propaganda video), so Hubbard wuld likely be happy with that too. All of the madness within Scientology is a direc resul of them following Hubbard's policies.

How would he defend himself against everyone thinking that he is a nutball?

Lawsuits and harassing the naysayers. Scientologists don't defend, they attack. This is doctrine, dictated by Hubbard.

What I wonder is if he would be happy with the direction it has taken today.

I separated this from the rest of the question. While I'm sure he'd be happy about all of the previous stuff, the current direction of Scientology is that it is in a state of collapse. They are, without a doubt, the fastest shrinking "religion" in the world, which is part of the reason why I'm fascinated. Like watching a train-wreck, only in slow motion. They aren't scary anymore, they become more and more impotent for each passing day. And THAT is something Hubbard probably wouldn't be too happy about.

I remember a long time ago I had asked my folks to get me "Dianetics" for Christmas, as I didn't know at the time what it was really about, but I'm glad they didn't. Perhaps I would have fallen in with the nutjobs as well.

You'd probably be fine. Most people with their mental faculties somewhat intact dismiss Dianetics as the bullcrap it is, even if they are insecure or depressed. It takes a special kind of screwed up to be lulled into Scientology by Dianetics, what with Hubbard's fascination with the pooping habits of pregnant women and all. No, I haven't read it myself. Never will. But I read the detailed, in depth analysis. Here you can see what you missed out on that Christmas:
http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/04/blogging-dianetics-vance-woodward-hel ps-us-parse-l-ron-hubbards-masterpiece/

Tesla was robbed!

[–] Gabe1972 11 years ago

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. I surely appreciate your in depth thoughts and facts. I also appreciate the link to the website, as I think I will enjoy reading the articles and other insight presented on it for quite some time. I believe I had come across this website a while back where it showed how they had manipulated a photo to make it look as if the arena or whatever it was they were in was packed with people. You could see how certain sections were just duplicated, and some right next to each other. Again, I think it was this particular website, but I could be wrong. Either way, it's still an interesting site and I surely do appreciate it.

I suppose if I went and got audited and got rid of my attached thetans I might remember for sure what website I saw the photo manipulation on.

With regard to the Dianetics book... As I said, I had no clue as to what it was about, it's just that I saw it was supposed to "improve your life", or something to that effect, on a TV commercial. You are probably right in that I wouldn't have fallen for it as I am a very skeptical person when it comes to any type of manipulation whatsoever. Again, at the time I didn't know what it was about and I had never heard of Scientology. I don't even know if they knew what it was about. They did get me some book written by Hubbard, but I don't remember what it was and it is sitting somewhere in an attic. I just now looked at a list of his Scientology related works, and the one that looks familiar is "Clear Body, Clear Mind", so I think it was this one. Not positive, though. Darn thetans!

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

[–] Norse_Sage 11 years ago

No problem, I love discussing this cult. It’s really exiting stuff, even for those of us who never had anything to do with it – I see you know what I’m talking about.

I’m gonna recommend another series of articles from the Tony Ortega/Underground Bunker blog, a series that will broaden your understanding of Scientology considerably. It is a bit to read, but it’s worth it.

Click on the “Up the Bridge” headline, and you’ll get all of the topics in that series in reverse chronological order – meaning you will have to begin by going back to the last entry on the last page, and then start reading your way forward from there, one article at a time. But then you will get the lowdown on all training all Scientologists must go through, in chronological order. Then you see the gradual mindcontrol and mindføkk. Madness.

Also, here’s a link to two videos you need to see, in the order you need to see them. One is a follow-up to the other.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFRSt_viosc
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJkQdLTJWwo

Let me know when you’ve seen them both. Then, I’m going to let you in on something the cult (and Tom Cruise) desperately wants kept secret. Their very own Da Vinci code.
It is going to blow your mind.

Tesla was robbed!

[–] uberfox 10 years ago

Snake oil hubbard? Holy *beep*

You dare to insult snake oil sellers by lumping them in that fraud? You sir have done a disservice to snake oil sellers the world over.

You cannot compare that demon possessed fraud to any reputable snake oil seller.

[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

Ah, that too! I forgot about that one. Either that, or he knew, in his infinite wisdom, that the atmosphere on Psychlo would react to either the radiation, or to the event of criticality, causing the entire atmosphere to go critical. Wow, what a profound person he was. Absolutely amazing. He makes Neil deGrasse Tyson's intellect seem like that of an amoeba in comparison.

The plural of mouse is mice. The plural of goose is geese. Why is the plural of moose not meese?

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