read the death of wcw


i read that book recently today and man i had a feeling in early 1998 when wwf began winning beating wcw in the ratings that they were going down i quit watching just in time but those who stayed in tune were in for a mess man wcw was horrible

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Amen to that. I also read the book too. It's like a top ten list of things that killed WCW

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Bischoff nor nash give that book much credibilty. I've yet to read it but I plan to. Those WWE DVDs, including the newest one are one sided and aren't as informative as they could be. I've read parts of Bischoff's book, I'd suggest that.

I also suggest the following DVDs:

Kevin Sullivan & The End Of WCW
Guest Booker Mike Graham (he mentions the Radicalz leaving and dealing with management)
Pro Wrestling's Ultimate Insider volumes 1 & 2 with Vince Russo & Ed Ferrara
Rise & Fall of WCW - decent but one sided at times

Many things mentioned are overexaggerated. Vince Russo's 2nd stint and David Arquette as champion are the ones I'd agree with. What's never mentioned is how WCW's restrictions limited what WCW could do in the first place. And certain people had power over WCW that didn't care for wrestling, even in the early 90's. People forget that Turner lost power, his networks, his sports teams, not just WCW. That's why the year 2000 and the merger did them in more than anything.

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What's never mentioned is how WCW's restrictions limited what WCW could do in the first place.


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Being pressured to produce Thunder.

The use of weapons being toned down. Violence being toned down. Blood being toned down. Language being toned down. Promos being toned down.

Sometimes having to rush plans.

Problems with shows being scheduled, which was also a problem in the early 90's.

Sullivan, Bischoff and Russo being told how to write the shows, Russo put out stuff too wild anyway but still...

Replacing bookers in late 1999-early 2000. Russo's first run was decent when he had limited control, aside from Sting/Hogan @ Halloween Havoc 99 and Starcade 1999. Bischoff shouldn't have lost all power, his problem was overspending. Sullivan did good considering the lack of talent he had at the time. Russo was given too much power after that.

Management gave into lawsuits (some that were probably bogus) to the talent which added to their financial trouble.

Bischoff wanted to do something to compete with the attitude era but wasn't allowed to.

Wanting to get rid of wrestling despite WCW's lowest ratings being higher than what those networks often got. They'd also put money into something that would do a fraction of WCW's rating. WCW wasn't the only casualty that was losing money by 2000, they lost money in the early 90's but stayed afloat. Rick Steiner, Kevin Sullivan, Kevin Nash, Ed Ferrara and Scott Hudson to name a few are sure it was a priority to get rid of wrestling and somebody was probably in on it. Mortal Kombat was one of my favorite shows, that actually got canceled for being too popular. It aired on TNT and the WB, 2 of the same networks that aired WCW. Some of the WB's best shows were canceled around that time. Then again, it could have been a coincidence.

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Did you get all of this from The Death of WCW book? What/or who pressured them to produce Thunder and for what reasons? Promos being toned down? Being told how to write shows?

What lawsuits went down?
Why wasn't Bischoff allowed to compete with the Attitude Era? I think what he did other than the booking from most of '98 - '99 was good enough. Not all of it was good but it wasn't terrible. That would have been the time to start pushing the right guys, the ones who left for something better anyway. Although I'll always think guys like Guerrero, Mysterio, Benoit, Saturn, Malenko, and Jericho had it good while there.

A priority to get rid of wrestling on their networks, or wrestling in general?

Do you mind elaborating on this stuff, I haven't read the book.


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Did you get all of this from The Death of WCW book? What/or who pressured them to produce Thunder and for what reasons? Promos being toned down? Being told how to write shows?

What lawsuits went down?
Why wasn't Bischoff allowed to compete with the Attitude Era? I think what he did other than the booking from most of '98 - '99 was good enough. Not all of it was good but it wasn't terrible. That would have been the time to start pushing the right guys, the ones who left for something better anyway. Although I'll always think guys like Guerrero, Mysterio, Benoit, Saturn, Malenko, and Jericho had it good while there.

A priority to get rid of wrestling on their networks, or wrestling in general?

Do you mind elaborating on this stuff, I haven't read the book.
I got this from a number of sources, such as Bischoff's book (which I don't have although I plan to get it, I've read some of it before). Also, interviews, references and DVDs that include former WCW employees.

Producing Thunder, the shows being toned down and them being told how to write the shows were all apart of AOL/Time Warner merger. Ted Turner always cared for wrestling, but prior to that he let whomever (Jim Herd, Eric Bischoff) run WCW without getting involved much. Bischoff had Turner involved for the better, which was how WCW was granted a timeslot against Raw and WCW made money off their television shows. In the late 90's Turner's business partners got involved for the worse. They didn't care for wrestling and wanted to run it despite that and limited knowledge about it. Turner's business partners from the early 90's didn't care for wrestling but Ted had enough power to overrule them. By the late 90's departments of the networks (such as Human Resources) and AOL/Time Warner had enough power to overrule Turner because of the merger. They wanted the language and violence toned down, along with the shows written certain ways, which explains why Scott Steiner almost got fired and why the bookers had to be careful about what was on the show. Bischoff, Russo and Sullivan expressed how difficult it was to write shows with so many restrictions and orders. A prime example is from the Kevin Sullivan End Of WCW DVD, he said how WCW were told not to use foreign objects because of the word "foreign."

To my knowledge Bischoff was against WCW Thunder but eventually gave in. Bischoff confirmed that. Vince Russo felt a similar way when WWE first started Smackdown, it was too much work.

They had discrimination lawsuits from a number of wrestlers, none being major talent. A few are Super Calo, Hector Garza, Ciclope, Damien, Sonny Onoo and Bobby Walker. Some if not all of those lawsuits may have had bogus claims because they knew they could take advantage of who oversaw WCW.

The NWO gave WCW a more serious edge that they hadn't had in years, but Bischoff wanted to go further to compete with the attitude era. He wasn't allowed to do so because of those restrictions. I don't know much about this, just heard references to it. I'm interested in what he would have done. 2 guesses are that he could have done like the attitude era and been more soap opera/shock TV oriented, or like ECW by being about wrestling with a more serious feel to it.

I agree with you that what Bischoff did was good enough. I hated the attitude era with the exception of 2000 and early 2001. WCW at least kept things simple for the most part. I also agree with you that the Radicalz, Mysterio and Jericho had great careers there. Malenko and Saturn were far more relevant in WCW. Jericho was a dominant heel often winning cleanly, and his cruiserweight title reigns are my favorite of his career. Beniot was always pushed hard and was being elevated to the main event by late 1999-early 2000. Some say he was given the world title to stay but Russo and Sullivan were pushing him there regardless. Mysterio was always pushed well and was being elevated against bigger guys by 1999. WCW had to get those guys over on their natural skills in the first place.

Reboot, restart or re-imagining is another word for remake

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