Why Did everyone hate WCW? - WCW Monday Nitro (1995) Discussion

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[–] mkstud60 19 years ago

WCW was bad in production. I believe WCW died when they decided to end Goldbergs streak to Nash. He shouldve dropped it 2 Benoit or Jericho. I quit watching WCW and switched to the WWE after that happened. However, the WWE was creating new characters all the time. WCW never created any new characters besides Goldberg. WCW was good they were just bad in production and the NWO got stale and they didnt go out with a bang which is how they shouldve ended the NWO. It just goes to show everyone money doesnt make u smarter or better in any way. WCW was a billionare company and the WWE eventually beat WCW and Vince gutted the company.

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[–] lawrencewilkinson78 19 years ago

To pick up on that is where I have another problem with the whole biast additute towards WCW.

When Eric Bischoff signed on new talent to WCW, Paul Heyman and Vince McMahon both refered to it as a "raid". Now correct me if I wrong and, maybe I am, but when WCW was still running, didnt McMahon "raid" the WCW talent pool?

Isnt Vince McMahon, with all due respect to him, a hipacrit in himself in saying he would never take from ECW without leaving something in return, but yet he took from WCW and left them nothing.

Monopoly is just a game senator, Im trying to control the f---ing world!-Robin Williams

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[–] lolague-1 19 years ago

It was all vince's fault for eliminating the competition now i'm stuck with this wwe crap same old thing undertaker leaves comes back 8 months later (really on a vacation) it's just not very exciting anymore before everything was exciting you didn't know what was going to happen now what i don't think wresting will be exciting anymore untilanother billionare comes along and gambles with the wrestling buisness until then i'm stuck with this.

Thanks *beep* McMahon

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[–] tmcking 17 years ago

GIVE TNA a chance. Its not bad but with Kurt Angle as its champion it is starting to suck. They are starting to do storylines rather than wrestling which is begining to make it boring.

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[–] katysss 18 years ago

wcw died because they didn't have vince mcmahon. believe me i liked wcw they were the first wrestling company my brother and i watched but they didn't want to change the wwe did change. mcmahon didn't build his company around dx or the rock or stone cold he built it around everyone and wcw relied on the nwo that's why they died

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[–] ja227 16 years ago

If Vince McMahon was EVP of WCW under the Turner/Time-Warner hierarchy, he too would have failed. He had the luxury of being an independent company, and having freedom to switch networks and to control his content. Plus USA actually embraces wrestling for the cash cow it is, while the half-brained suits under Turner thought their networks were "above" wrestling. Once Turner lost control, and AOL came into play, WCW was history, in spite of being one of the highest rated shows on the conglomerate's family of networks.

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[–] White_Thunder 18 years ago

"WCW died when they decided to end Goldbergs streak to Nash. He shouldve dropped it 2 Benoit or Jericho."

Haha you must be joking? as good a wrestler Benoit was he didn't have ANY personality or charisma and Jericho? he is a joke. If anybody deserved to dethrown Goldberg for his title it should of been Booker T,Scott Steiner or DDP.

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[–] ja227 15 years ago

WCW created a lot of characters besides Goldberg in the late 90s - some were just more successful than others. DDP, Big Poppa Pump, The Flock (outside Raven, which was basically the same in ECW), Buff Bagwell, Booker T, and even the "Crippler" Benoit. In addition to that, the WWF crossovers re-invented themselves: Kevin Nash was not Big Daddy Cool, Scott Hall was not Da Bad Guy, Hogan wasn't the immortal babyface, Syxx wasn't a "Kid" (without Syxx, there would be no X-Pac).

WWF had about as much to do with creating all the nWo personas as WCW had to do with Stone Cold, Farooq, Goldust, Marvelous Marc Mero (and Sable), or the Undertaker (Calaway was getting a small push right before leaving for WWF, using a heartpunch-using, "Mean Mark" gimmick). If one is going to credit WWF with WCW's nWo era, then they need to credit WCW with laying the foundation for the Attitude Era, because half the main stars established themselves in WCW first, and some even won major titles there.

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[–] lawrencewilkinson78 19 years ago

Yeah, his name was Eric Bischoff, and his reward for fixing a company no one cared about was to be relived of duties and not allowed to buy WCW a company if ,had not been for him, would have gone out of business all long time ago.

There's no doubt in my mind Bischoff got screwed in his attempt to buy WCW in the end. He should not have the deal yanked out from under and sold to Vince McMahon, for less than what Bischoff was asking for it, to have Vince carve it up like a thanksgiving turkey in the end.

WCW would still be in business today, in my belive, if Eric Bishcoff was the owner.

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[–] charlesevanoff 19 years ago

It sux not having the WCW and ECW...I want to become a wrestler and now my only options are WWE and TNA and Indies...I originally wanted to work indies, go to ECW, then NWA, then WCW, and finally end up in WWF/WWE before retirement...can't happen anymore...It would of been so cool to be beaten up in hardcore matches with Sabu and joining the nWo in WCW. McMahon is indeed a corporate bastard.

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[–] calhoun_23 19 years ago

well if you guys watch the Monday Night Wars DVD, it pretty much sums up everything.

Part of the demise of WCW was the nwo faction. This angle got incredibly boring to some of the other wrestlers, that they just wanted to leave, and/or not come back to work at WCW.

I mean, dont get me wrong. I absolutely love WCW, always have, always will, but the NWO angle did get a bit boring. I mean, all they did was frequent the main event, never let the younger talent get any main event time, and beat the hell out of the other superstars.

Also, the back stage politics (like Hogan and Nash frequenting the main event), and other *beep* killed the WCW

I really enjoyed it. I still watch WCW tapes. Does anyone know if the WCW ever made any DVD's of the PPV's from like 1998-1999? Those were the best times, however Halloween Havoc 1997 wasnt that bad. Very good event there. But without doubt, the best times of WCW was in 1998-1999, IMHO.

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[–] ImmortallyInsane 19 years ago

Vince worked close with Paul Heyman and ECW and that is why he never took from them and then gave them nothing. Remember the ECW invasion angle on the one RAW? Vince said before the ONS PPV that he helped out ECW by giving them money, etc. WCW was too powerful to just take and give back. ECW could never have beaten WWF, but WCW could have and did for a time.

1996-1998 was the best times for WCW by far. The nWo is why WCW beat WWF for 84 weeks in the ratings and almost killed off the WWF. Had Austin been paralyzed at Summerslam 1997 in his match against Owen Hart for the IC title, I'm not sure the WWF would even be around today. They needed that badass to help bring in the ratings and sure enough, it worked. Austin vs McMahon was the sole reason the WWF came back and beat WCW in the ratings war.

I was a loyal WCW fan for a time, basically because of Hogan. He has been my childhood hero and I followed him wherever he went, including turning heel. The nWo was fun. Watching them spray paint everything and beat the hell out of the WCW guys was always enjoyable, until it got so huge that half the nWo were nameless jobbers. Hogan, Hall, Nash, Dibiase, Giant was the definitive nWo, hell some would say just Hogan/Hall/Nash.

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[–] OnlyRevolutionary 19 years ago

Everyone can have their own theories, but what really killed WCW was Vince McMahon. If anyone else would have bought them out, they would have had a chance to survive. Sure, it was a lot of little/big things that contributed to WCW's slow demise, but Vince buying them out put the final nail in the coffin.

With that said, it was WCW's own fault for losing their TV deal and being left in a position where no one would want to buy them, minus Eric Bischoff. WCW had a lot of great ideas, but with nearly every one of them, they seemed to just crap all over it and screw themselves over. Not putting over fresh, new talent, rehashing the same idea over and over again, and letting the wrestlers have their say in their own storylines led to its demise. But Vince buying them our really solidified that WCW was dead and is never coming back.

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[–] bigizzyfan 19 years ago

Stupid Vince... WCW was the reason I even started watching wrestling. I loved it, though I came on the scene a little late (3-4yrs before the WWF/E took over)I loved it, and hardly payed any attention to WWE. I was so crazy, I went out and bought The Ultimate Guide Book.. it's still on my shelf *looks longingly towards it*. It was always the ones people payed less attention to, or just the crazy freaks. Daphne became my role model, but I didnt get time to bond with her character cos of stupid Vince. Now look at the WWE.. theres practically no female talent! Just porn stars with little or no wrestling skills (reference to Maria or whatever her name is). Even Lita has been reduced to nothingness!She was also one of my favs (I have v. few female wrestling favs) and even Molly Holly left. And where the hell have all the good tag teams gone? Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas gave me hope, then nothing... I really really miss Kronik! I miss Kidman, was growing accustomed to Sean O'Haire. Stupid Vince, TNA it is... they all seem to be congregating there anyway. At least Jeff Jarrett's there. I loved him+the guitar. Too bad the music's gone, he was my fav for a time too and Sting. *sighs*
I dont care how crap people think it was, I loved it.

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[–] spangladesh920 19 years ago

Raw was far superior to Nitro for so many reasons. The main one is of course Austin vs McMahon, but you can't help but throw out names like: The Rock (Best WCW Champ in years...too bad for you WCW marks I guess(and yes I do realize that it was the WWF(E) owned WCW at the time), HHH (a guy WCW gave up on), Undertaker, Foley, The Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, The Dudley Boyz, Kurt Angle and the list goes on and on. At least had the sense to push new talent to the top unlike WCW. And for the record...ECW was far better then WCW. Hence why there is ECW One Night Stand (to quote Paul E.: "This isn't Paul Heyman with his tail between his legs at a WCW PPV...You are in OUR house BITCH!)

I watched Nitro...and my favorite moment was the night (March 26, 2001) Vince opened Nitro proudly proclaming his victory over WCW! Me and my friends danced when that happened and cracked open some beers and gave the "Stone Cold Salute" to Eric Bischoff and the rest of those flunkies (with the exception of Ric Flair) and celebrated.

Of course that's only my opinion...and I could be wrong
-Dennis Miller

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[–] SupaG19 19 years ago

OK here is a question for you all. Most of you agree that the nWo storyline ran on for too long and basically killed WCW in the final stages. How/when would you have ended the nWo storyline?? Have a match like 2001 Surivivor Series with WCW/ECW V WWE only with the nWo V WCW maybe at Wargames or World War 3? Have Hogan as leader of nWo take on Ric Flair as representative of WCW in a winner takes all match? Or a three way dance with Hogan V Flair V Nash? Have Hogan come out on Nitro and do a face turn with the rest of the nWo attacking him and then Hogan single handedly taking on and beating the nWo??

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[–] spangladesh920 19 years ago

Actually, upon review I did watch Nitro...just the first hour before picking up the remote to tune into Raw (when Nitro went to 3 hours). Most of what I have seen is from the "Monday Night War" dvd and again Raw was better then Nirto. D-X, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, hell even Vince was (and still is) great in his heel owner character. The best Nitro ever was the last one, cause Vince FINALLY declared total victory over WCW!

And BTW: ECW was better then WCW...hence why the One Night Stand ppv's.

Of course that's only my opinion...and I could be wrong

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[–] robertwilgiles 19 years ago

I personally loved WCW and I always will.

R.I.P WCW.

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[–] brianwmoule 19 years ago

I will miss WCW forever. I cant wait to see the expression on peoples faces who are WWF/WWE raw biased against Nitro when WWE will lose rating as people will get sick and tired of the same storylines that are going on at the moment. They all been going on for too long like Shawn Michaels, and McMahon bringing in a totally BS storyline about God. ISNT IT A WRESTLING SHOW, NOT SOME WORSHIP A PIECE OF CRAP show??? At least WCW never had any EMBARASSING storylines like that. To all of the WWE fans, thats gonna appear funny and a good storyline, but its only showing a truly pathetic storyline.
WWE has no major league competition anymore and so whats going to happen when people get sick of stupid storylines, and even - the WWEs lack of new talent. I cant wait to see WWE go downhill and die. It almost did before, it may again. Im hoping for Eric Bischoff to join TNA and if he did, i think he would be smart enough to get TNA into the major leagues, and not to under-estimate WWE.

WCW was the greatest at one time, and in all of the hearts of true WCW fans, it still is and will be forever.

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[–] jc990608 17 years ago

"By this point, Hogan, Nash, Hall and Luger should have been pushed down the ranks (and if they refused, released)"

That right there would have made them competitive again. But they pissed it all away by catering to the senior citizens guild. Having Benoit crush the likes of Hogan in 10 seconds and sending him packing for good would have gotten the fans back.

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[–] jc990608 17 years ago

Eddie frogsplashing Big Lazy

Malenko making Scott Alco-Hall tap

And Benoit crossfacing Hogan until he screamed for mercy would have saved WCW, or at least not caused them to freefall like they did.

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[–] nathantannat 13 years ago

WCW DIED WHEN VINCE RUSSO CAME ABOARD!!!he was a mole for Vince Mcmahon....i believe that always.....he ruined wcw....not bichoff, hogan , nash, hall, jerrett.....VINCE RUSSO!!

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[–] charlesevanoff 17 years ago

Lest we forget, everybody seems to know the story behind everything that went on between WWF and WCW but I can guarantee most who say so have only seen WWE produced biographical DVD's and have only heard one side of the story. This is the same company that blurs out WWF scratch logos and all references to WWF (as if it never existed), who's to say they didn't blur something else out?

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[–] jc990608 16 years ago

"WCW was doing so much better than the WWF/E around that time and then it gets bought out. "

Sorry, but I have to cry bullsh!t on that one. WWF/E 2000-2001 was the all time peak of north American workrate and storytelling for any organization, surpassing any timeframe WCW and even ECW had ever experienced. Featuring hot feuds, awesome talent, and phenomenal matches which translated into fantastic quality ppvs, with an overall quality not seen since NWA 1989.

WCW 2000-2001 was the polar opposite, featuring horrible wrestling, atrocious angles and piss poor ppvs (including my pick for worst ppv in pro wrestling history, Halloween Havoc 2000), when it wasn't the senior citizens getting a push, it was b-list actors, and when it wasn't them, it was talent that was either way too broken down or flat out untalented, and finally, the good talent was pushed in phenomenally stupid ways that pretty much guaranteed that they wouldn't stay over only the first 3 ppvs in 2001 featured anything in the way of good-great wrestling matches, though still not at the level of what the WWE was doing at the time. the difference in quality between the WWF/WCW at this point was the biggest contrast in quality in professional wrestling history.

There was a damn good reason WCW went bankrupt, and as much as I hate to see competition die out, nobody deserved their fate more than WCW, and I'm glad the company is hated and mocked even to this day, because it was all political, backstabbing *beep* that put them out of business, and they've got no one to blame but themselves and the selfish pr!cks they catered too.

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[–] brianwmoule 18 years ago

WOW!
I really agree with Lead_Cenobite he knows what hes talking about, cheers :D
Is about time someone other than me stuck up for WCW and actually critised the WWE

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[–] RustyShackleford66 18 years ago

wwe was far better than wcw in the end. 1999-2001. People should stop bashing vince beacause he was the better promoter and business man. Buying wcw was a good choice because he then had no compitition. If you want to know why wcw went under buy the death of wcw. The book answered all my questions about wcw.

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[–] starone55106 18 years ago

"WCW just had bad management and were making wrong decisions."

Kinda like the WWE is now.

Back in the day I was THE WWF fan. I hated WCW with a passion and thought it was a lame imitation of the greatness of the WWF even though I barely watched it at all. I was admitedly kinda giddy when I heard WCW was out of business. All through the Invasion storyline I hated WCW and ECW for trying to take over the WWF and after Survivor Series 2001, I was estatic that WCW and ECW were dead for good.

But......

After doing some recent reading on WCW and the nWo storyline and looking at some old clips of the nWo's various activities (they were cool), I'm beginning to wish that I had made more of an effort to watch WCW during the whole nWo thing because it sounds really interesting and starting to think that WCW doesn't deserve nearly as much of the hate it gets

Also, I was an avid fan of DX back in the day but after reading about the nWo, DX now seems kinda lame compared to them, and didn't the nWo do the whole spraypainting thing first?

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[–] brianwmoule 18 years ago

Looks like the WWE is bringing back old WCW traditions lol

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[–] White_Thunder 18 years ago

Vince McMahon and the WWE product itself suck,look at the state of mainstream wrestling today,it's a pale shadow of what it used to be like. WCW was the top wrestling show,which Vince still can't forget. WCW had great stars like Sting,Goldberg,Scott Steiner,DDP,Booker T etc and they all had good charisma,I easily prefered them over their WWE/F counterparts. WCW back in the day also had better wrestling especially from the cruiserweights, WWE/F hardly had any wrestling in it's show and was more focused on totaly pathetic,silly discusting storylines. I won't even watch the crap WWE are showing anymore,they have mostly crap wrestlers and stale storylines,and ive just heard they have brought back DX,thats nearly as bad as reforming the nWo(WCW's greatest moment)back in 2002. Get real Vince you complete useless ASS...

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[–] brianwmoule 18 years ago

I couldnt agree more ^^^
No-one can deny the fact that atleast half of their show is taken up by talking...whether it is on the mic, or backstage! Then, a quatre of the show is wasted during commercial time...so that makes WWEs 2 hour time slot..what.. 30-45 mins of WRESTLING!?!

WCW never had talking to this degree, and they also had a lot better storylines than the WWE! Steves right, WCW was fantastic for its cruiserweights! Same with the mexican wrestlers, and other wrestlers from different cultural backgrounds...

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[–] vdg_vdgg 18 years ago

I agree with you totally, but in my oppinion wwe is alright but it will never be wwf!!! Anyway man I used to love watchin me some WCW form the cruiserweights to the heavyweights, WCW had an excitement factor due to different match types and the construction of 3 rings also the cage match of doom with Hogan and Macho you just don't get better than that! Also you can't dare forget the addrenallin rush you got from watching the whole Bam Bam, Goldberg fueds!!

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[–] Mister-M 18 years ago

Shame for me, I started watching Wrestling in 2001. Cousin introduced me to WWE (WWF at the time), and I never got the chance to watch WCW. Oh well I guess. Nothing I or anybody else can do about it.

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[–] victoria_bitter06 18 years ago

As a young man growing up in 1997, 98 (i was 9 in 1997), the WWE really didnt do anything for me. WCW was the thing that i watched the most. Everytime it was on, i would watch, religously.

I never did anything around the house, until i wanted money for the ppv's that were on monthly, then i did absolute crap loads of chores. TO WATCH WRESTLING !!!

WWE just doesnt have that pulling power. I used to watch WWF and see 'Mcmahon and stone cold go at it- stupid match-mcmahon and austin again-boring match-mcmahon talking about austin-another match-austin doing something to mcmahon- goodnight folks' It followed this pattern for ages and got tiring.

WCW was fresh and original to me, and i loved watching it. I remember watching every now and then when the nWO was forming, but watched religously from Bash at the beach where Hogan and Rodzilla took on DDP and karl malone. I actually watched this as my first ever PPV. DDP was my favourite and still is, and vince killed him, like he killed nash, scott hall, booker T, buff bagwell, billy kidman, shane helms, the entire cruiserweight division bar rey mysterio, lex luger, lance storm, scott steiner and goldberg. He killed all of them.

Vince, your show is boring now, and wont be long until the audience gives up on you. Your days are numbered. Why do you think he has bought back the ECW ??

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[–] qrz94 18 years ago

Its called revisionist history. When WCW was on top everyone loved it once it started to go down hill and finally closed now people bash it mainly because most of the people doing the bashing are now paid by the WWE. The truth is until the last two years of its run WCW was a far better product than WWE could ever hope to be. With original longrange storylines, excellent mix of young and experienced talent, and topnotch productions values WCW was truely great. The problem is now that Vince beat WCW in the end he now wants everyone to believe that WCW was simply a company that stoled his talent and copied his ideas when anyone with any real intelligence remembers that Vince stole far more ideas of WCW than WCW ever did from them. WCW died because Ted Turner didn't care that he was loosing money on it, he had the money to spend and he just loved wrestling. When his company was bought out, AOL looked at how much money WCW had been loosing and they sold it to Vince and he killed it quickly through his idiotic booking.

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[–] spangladesh920 18 years ago

The fact of the matter is this: WCW won so many fans because they were able to grab stars like Hogan, Savage, Piper, Nash, Hall, etc. While that worked for a while, it got incredibly stale as a whole product. In the interum, they let go a boatload of stars that went on to huge sucsess in the WWF. The list has to start off with Stone Cold Steve Austin, who Eric Bischoff called "unmarketable".

The list goes on to include such icons like The Undertaker ("Mean" Mark Callous), Triple H (Jean-Paul Levesque), Mick Foley, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, etc. Combined, these men have won a total of 26 WWF/E World Titles.

Meanwhile, WCW had really one homegrown talent: Bill Goldberg. He got them a big spike in the ratings, especially when he beat Hogan for the WCW Title in the Georgia Dome on Nitro...however WCW shot itself in the foot by giving away a multi-million dollar PPV Main Event away for free to anyone who had cable.

WCW mishandled Bret Hart, who had a giftwrapped storyline when he debuted thanks to Vincent Kennedy McMahon, Earl Hebner, Shawn Michaels and the events of the Montreal Screw Job.

The real day I believe that WCW got into trouble was March 26th, 1998 @ WrestleMania XIV when Stone Cold Steve Austin beat Shawn Michaels for the World Wrestling Federation Championship at the count of "Iron" Mike Tyson. It was all downhill from there for WCW. WWF had a big name champion, and WCW refused to bring up new talent, always relying on Hogan, Flair, or some other verteran to carry the torch.

WWF pushed new stars like The Rock, Triple H (in a way), Kurt Angle, Edge, and others to Main Event status.

That's what really killed World Championship Wrestling IMHO

Dream Match: John Cena vs. New Jack w/ guest ref Cactus Jack!

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[–] fullenw 18 years ago

This isnt directed at the previous poster but I agree WCW was looked at in a biased way. For example:

If Bischoff mistreats talent, he's the worst guy ever and cant be forgiven and people are allowed to bash him. Yet if Vince mistreats talent and they bash him then they're considered bitter crybabies that need to forget the past.

If WCW puts main event calibur talent in the midcard they get so much heat for it yet if WWE sticks mainevent calibur talent in the mid card or as jobbers people look past it.

WCW never created anyone because they're top guys came from WCW or ECW but WWE got their top draws from either AWA, Stampede Wrestling or NWA/WCW. Even in the early 90's WWE aquired the Nasty Boys, Steiners, Sid, Razor Ramon, Diesal, IRS, LOD, Ric Flair, Lex Luger, Ricky Steamboat, Dusty Rhodes and Ric Rude from WCW. (Granted Razor and Diesal did get major pushes and IRS was in WWF in the mid eighties)

Even winning streaks. Such heat is generated from Goldberg's streak being ended by Nash(a veteran) but Brock Lesnar, Umaga, Sylvester Terkay, CM Punk, Chris Masters even Vito had their streaks ended by veterans and people had no problem with it. I beleive theres some streaks I forgot about though. Personally I wanted Raven to end Goldbergs streak.

People swear up and down WCW wasted ECW talent but Lance Storm , Mike Awesome(RIP), Public Enemy(RIP), Shane Douglas, Raven, Saturn, Dean Malenko, Konnan, Psicosis, Juvi all had better careers in WCW.

Trust me, I really sympathized with Austin getting fired but then people act like he was the only guy ever fired while injured. I feel even worse for Xpac because he had a injured neck of all things.

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[–] spangladesh920 18 years ago

"If Vince would have bought WCW and not mentioned and ran it on Thursdays instead of Smackdown, that would have probably worked."

But you had to know that Vince was going to gloat like hell the day he bought WCW. I was more surprised that he didn't actually set foot onto Nitro that night, but he and the rest of the WWF were gearing up for WrestleMania X-7 the following Sunday.

What he should do is just change Smackdown over to WCW Friday Night Nitro, since he already has 3 former WCW Titles on the show and has ressurected ECW (which makes me sick, because it's not the original, just some watered down s hit stain of a mockery of the original...which was far superior). Then we could see the WWE, WCW, and ECW World Titles defended at a WrestleMania. Back in 2000 that would've blown people's minds if that happened.

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[–] jayanxiety 17 years ago

Vince and company has everyone brainwashed into believing that WCW was just a joke and that the best day in wrestling history was when he KILLED WCW. The facts are much different than what Vince would have you believe.
Facts:
1. The WWE ratings were at their highest during the Monday Night Wars
2. The storylines of WWE were exciting during those years.
3. People would watch both shows to see who "jumped ship", "what either company had to say about each other", "NWO vs DX", etc.
4. Two seperate slants on pro wrestling kept the fans watching and the products fresh.
5. WCW change the wrestling industry in the 1990's. They brought in a number of new concepts which have been used to this day: a. The break-off faction (NWO) b. Bad is Good theme ("The crow" Sting, NWO, 4 Horsemen, etc.), c. The Evil Boss (Eric B.) d. A "second" show (WCW Thunder), e. Hand gestures (4-Life), f. Invasions (NWO on Tonight Show, MAD TV), g. The Cruiserweight division h. "training territory" WCW powerplant I. "Territorial divisions" having certain cities loyal to NWO while some are WCW areas.

It's very sad that Vince wants people to forget the WCW. The company went out with a wimper and it's slowly being forgotten. Now WWE is stale. Hopefully there's hope in the upstart TNA.

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[–] OnlyRevolutionary 17 years ago

"Meanwhile, WCW had really one homegrown talent: Bill Goldberg. He got them a big spike in the ratings, especially when he beat Hogan for the WCW Title in the Georgia Dome on Nitro...however WCW shot itself in the foot by giving away a multi-million dollar PPV Main Event away for free to anyone who had cable."

Wow. How about making up your own thoughts instead of repeating what the WWE told you in their DVDs?

What a ridiculous thing to say that Goldberg was the only homegrown talent. How about Booker T.? Diamond Dallas Page? Sid Vicious? STING? Lex Luger? I'm not even TRYING to name people who were WCW-made talent; these just came off the top of my head.

Yes, WCW DID hurt itself by giving away a PPV-worthy match for free on cable. But the WWF did the same stuff, too, back in those days. They had the world title exchange hands on Raw on a number of occassions during the attitude era.

And they're actually COMPLAINING that WCW gave them a quality match on Nitro? That's insane! Isn't your TV programming SUPPOSED to be exciting?

Next time, at least form your own thoughts before you bash a company that you never even watched or knew a thing about.

Silencio...

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[–] Tish-The-Scorpion 17 years ago

Stupid Vince... WCW was the reason I even started watching wrestling. I loved it, though I came on the scene a little late (3-4yrs before the WWF/E took over)I loved it, and hardly payed any attention to WWE. I was so crazy, I went out and bought The Ultimate Guide Book.. it's still on my shelf *looks longingly towards it*. It was always the ones people payed less attention to, or just the crazy freaks. Daphne became my role model, but I didnt get time to bond with her character cos of stupid Vince. Now look at the WWE.. theres practically no female talent! Just porn stars with little or no wrestling skills (reference to Maria or whatever her name is). Even Lita has been reduced to nothingness!She was also one of my favs (I have v. few female wrestling favs) and even Molly Holly left. And where the hell have all the good tag teams gone? Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas gave me hope, then nothing... I really really miss Kronik! I miss Kidman, was growing accustomed to Sean O'Haire. Stupid Vince, TNA it is... they all seem to be congregating there anyway. At least Jeff Jarrett's there. I loved him+the guitar. Too bad the music's gone, he was my fav for a time too and Sting. *sighs*
I dont care how crap people think it was, I loved it.

i was always a wcw/ecw girl at heart during the late 90's.but i quoted this for truth,wwe has completely pissed away their female,and tag team division.and i refuse to let people give wwe kudos when in fact they made the EXACT SAME mistakes as wcw right after wcw went under....after the botched wcw/ecw invasion and the burial of booker-t (among others) wwf/e went to hell and imho still hasn't recovered =/

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[–] jmac332083 17 years ago

WCW sucked except for a couple of wrestlers. They were nothing until they got Hogan.

I Can't Wait For The Dark Knight!

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[–] Denbain 17 years ago

Th problem was, they NEVER wanted to change. The nWo had WAYYY too many reunions, plus they made it so any no-talent ass clown could join. Most up-and-coming wrestlers (like Benoit and Mysterio) Recived little, or no push. When they got great talent (like Mike Awesome) they gave really stupied gimmicks (like mike awesome being "That 70s Guy, or the "Fat chick thrilla") On top of that, they started having the worst storylines of all time (Carl Malone v.s. Dennis Rodman, or David Arquette winning the title, just to promote some stupied movie, hell they even had an angle for that show Arli$$)

however WCW from 1996-1998 was some of the best wrestling i ever seen, and it really made wrestling as popular as it is today. It was a great show, it sadly Just did a full-fledge swan dive into the asphalt.

Sabu and Hayabusa, the best (and most underated) wrestlers of all time.

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[–] White_Thunder 17 years ago

"WCW sucked except for a couple of wrestlers. They were nothing until they got Hogan."

Thats crap because WCW was a way better show wrestling wise pre 1994 before Hulk came in and stank up the whole ppv's bringing all his friends who coudn't wrestle like Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Brutis Beefcake. Doesn't anyone remember Stunning Steve Austin who was a great heel and who had a fair few titles getting beat by Hacksaw Jim Duggan in a matter of seconds? All the ppv's became Hogan shows and the decent guys like Sting had to take a back seat! guys like Big Van Vader who was a monster and a force to be reckoned with became jobber fodder for Hogan etc. WCW and wrestling as a whole was lame 1994 onwards, it was only when Nash & Hall arrived in WCW and formed the nWo mid 1996 when things got good.

P.S WCW made loads of stars like Sting,Lex Luger,Steiner Brothers,Sid Vicious.Big Van Vader,Diamond Dallas Page,Booker T,Goldberg & The Road Warriors.

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[–] PreachCaleb 17 years ago

The NWA made most of those guys stars, not necessarily WCW. And the AWA made the Road Warriors stars, not wcw.

Always-Severus Snape

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[–] WritersBlock187 17 years ago

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"WCW sucked except for a couple of wrestlers. They were nothing until they got Hogan."

Thats crap because WCW was a way better show wrestling wise pre 1994 before Hulk came in and stank up the whole ppv's bringing all his friends who coudn't wrestle like Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Brutis Beefcake. Doesn't anyone remember Stunning Steve Austin who was a great heel and who had a fair few titles getting beat by Hacksaw Jim Duggan in a matter of seconds? All the ppv's became Hogan shows and the decent guys like Sting had to take a back seat! guys like Big Van Vader who was a monster and a force to be reckoned with became jobber fodder for Hogan etc. WCW and wrestling as a whole was lame 1994 onwards, it was only when Nash & Hall arrived in WCW and formed the nWo mid 1996 when things got good.

P.S WCW made loads of stars like Sting,Lex Luger,Steiner Brothers,Sid Vicious.Big Van Vader,Diamond Dallas Page,Booker T,Goldberg & The Road Warriors.

^I marked out for Hogan then...but I was an avid fan of WCW from 90's and on...I mean, I watched both companies...starrcade...survivor series...halloween havoc...great american bash...wrestlemania...but WCW always had some nice quality wrestling...My favorite PPV is starcade 89:futureshock...amazing matches throughout...but Hogan made everyone look stupid...he and Nacho Man went through the Dungeon of Doom and two ringers (Zeus and some big burly white guy) to win a triple cage match in Uncencored 95...

but to the topic: WCW was riddled with egomaniacs, corporate suits who hated wrestling (bill bush), bought out by a company that wanted to do nothing with wrestling (hell, even the president at the time (president of programming? or something like that) wanted to do away with wrestling to focus its programming on movies, then u had a bunch of old geezers (kevin sullivan, amongst others) who wrote/booked the matches according to their likes/dislikes (benoit/Woman fell in love in real life--Kev hated Benoit and several other wrestlers)...there were lots of problems in WCW...despite that...they managed to produce some great television...pre NWO era included...I remember Sting/Flexy Lexy duked it out with Harlem Heat...Harlem Heat also had a feud with Animal/Hawk...but in hindsight, people juss reflect all the bad things that happened which led to their downfall...and yeah, WWE wrestlers who worked for WCW do bash it because Vince wouldnt allow them to say otherwise...Vince hates the company for almost killing him...so u think he'll be happy if Flair says "I loved it--enjoyed every last minute"? prolly not...

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[–] StarWarsIsMyLife 17 years ago

As top-notch and premium of a product WCW and Nitro was, you have to know that it was a very poorly-run organization. One wrestler (I can't remember who he was) said that WCW was like an independent circuit. You can't do that with a forefront, mainline pro wrestling organization. They got away with poor organization for a while, but once the changes from the Time Warner sale really began to take a hold and the management began to change, the cracks in the organization began to really show. Then Time Warner merged with AOL and that killed WCW for good.

Its so funny, because WCW was known for being unpredictable, spontaneous, and just plain chaotic. What people don't know is that their brand of pro wrestling simply reflected the real nature of the organization as well.

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[–] WritersBlock187 17 years ago

Re: WCW was the show!
by - StarWarsIsMyLife on Wed Jan 2 2008 20:17:37
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As top-notch and premium of a product WCW and Nitro was, you have to know that it was a very poorly-run organization. One wrestler (I can't remember who he was) said that WCW was like an independent circuit. You can't do that with a forefront, mainline pro wrestling organization. They got away with poor organization for a while, but once the changes from the Time Warner sale really began to take a hold and the management began to change, the cracks in the organization began to really show. Then Time Warner merged with AOL and that killed WCW for good.

Its so funny, because WCW was known for being unpredictable, spontaneous, and just plain chaotic. What people don't know is that their brand of pro wrestling simply reflected the real nature of the organization as well.

WCW had always been a disorganized company because the guys right under Ted Turner (pre-AOL merge days) hated wrestling. Nobody wanted it on their networks except for Billionaire Ted...but Eric saw WCW as a money making opportunity...he pushed Ted to fund a live show--the birth of Nitro and the monday night wars...great freakin television from then on...before? great product: one man gang, Kevin Sullivan, Meng, Pillman, Sting, Flair, Varsity Club (way back in the days) Lex Luger with Mr Hughes and Harley Race, Dirty Dick Slater, Bunkhouse Buck and Terry Funk (many more)--but Eric's push for a live show gave birth to the Luchadore invasion: rey, konnan, villanos, silverking, la parka, hector garza, el dandy, and so many more...then the robbing of ECW--jericho, benoit, guerrero, juvi (excetera) WCW pushed WWE to the limit in terms of writing and evolution: I mean...who has ever went to another company and used their real names like Hall and Nash? Invade another company and establish complete anarchy? (WWE had DX--but they will never be NWO, period) Russo tried to keep the boat afloat in his last days there...but when u have people who hate wrestling and cut the funds to make the show BETTER--meaning--RATINGS AND MONEY?! insane, right? go to wrestlezone.com and hear it from Konnan/Glen Gilbertis mouths/keyboards (glen has a blog type thing while Konnan has audio interviews--archives) you will find it interesting how they dont blame russo like ur average internet schmuck...they blame the companies inability to organize and see it as a money making opportunity...but...personal vendettas always get in the way of success...I guess

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[–] Coconut_Kaasa 12 years ago

then u had a bunch of old geezers (kevin sullivan, amongst others) who wrote/booked the matches according to their likes/dislikes (benoit/Woman fell in love in real life--Kev hated Benoit and several other wrestlers)

Not true very much. Kevin Sullivan had Woman leave him in the story, then had Benoit win their feud. Wanna know what else? Kevin Sullivan booked Chris Benoit's World Title win at Souled Out 2000.

Vince hates the company for almost killing him...so u think he'll be happy if Flair says "I loved it--enjoyed every last minute"? prolly not...

If anyone has the right to hate their time spent in WCW, it's Ric Flair. Despite that, him and others have spoken nicely about their runs there.

Cane Dewey

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[–] SmoothPhenom 12 years ago

WCW was hated by many because it was so poorly run by guys who knew nothing about wrestling like Jim Herd. The blue suits in Turner didn't trust wrestlers to run the company and they kept firing bookers and presidents left and right. There was no leadership and also the wrestlers were given massive contracts with complete control of their character, because of that politics were uncontrollable no one wanted to put anyone over. The worst thing was guys like Hulk Hogan named conditions on their contracts which gave them ridiculous salaries and clauses like complete creative creative control so he could bury whoever he wanted. So in other words bookers were pointless in wcw because they had no control over the wrestlers and even if they missed shows they were still paid because contracts were guaranteed. Not to mention they were horrible at preparing for shows like the attack on Bret hart which was totally planned last second because Goldberg does a poor job hiding from the camera. They lacked authority which is why Vince McMahon is valuable because he controls the politics in his company for the most part.

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[–] kenthegamer 11 years ago

WCW might have had problems but look at ECW they owed some of their superstars money even their World Champion thats why Mike Awesome left ECW and WCW could have killed WWF/WWF if they wanted to.

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