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'Historical Documents' Plot Hole


So, if the Thermians all believed that all the video feed they received from planet Earth was legitimate "historical documentation" instead of fabrications, what did they think when they saw cartoons? Furthermore, what about those behind-the-scenes features or anything else that explained the process of making film, theatre, or acting in general? And since the concept of lying itself is something that comes up in television shows--fictional and nonfictional alike--then how could they have possibly missed this, since they seemed to be such obvious fans of our planet's television programming?

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I only caught that they watched Galaxy Quest, not anything else. You could make a case that they recorded transmissions over a period of a few months, at a certain opportune time for the reception of Galaxy Quest only, on one certain frequency.

In other words, for them to be able to isolate a signal, it might have been a matter of the earth's position in its solar orbit, and its own rotational position at a certain tim of day,

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True, however, it was made evident that they'd seen Gilligan's Island as well.

"I mean certainly you don't think that Gilligan's Island-"

"Oh.... Those poor people...."



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they watched gilligans' island!!!!!!

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I agree with virgiltx. Isolating a signal from all the background noise can't be easy since the Thermians home world has to be around 18 light years or maybe a little less from the Earth. Say they are some 16 light years from us and the show went off the air 18 yrs ago. They would probably have caught the last year or so of the show and any re-runs that they stumbled across after that. And even if they heard of the concept of lying or something that doesn't mean they would have understood it. A blind person can understand that people with sight see things in color but they can't understand colors themselves. How do you describe red or blue or green?

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Remember that this is spoofing the original Star Trek series, which ran in the sixties. Television was quite a bit different back then. Reference was made to Gilligan's Island, to which the Thermians responded "Those poor people."

However, during the sixties there were almost no behind the scenes features, or things that explained the process of making entertainment in general, unless you count a few things like short features that showed how Disney cartoons were made and such. Television in nearly every household was a pretty recent thing, and people just watched it for entertainment. Most people were not interested in how shows were made, they just wanted to see their shows.

Also, remember that while television broadcasts travel at the speed of light, the nearest star to us is over four light years away, and it is unlikely the Thermians would be from anywhere nearly so close. The premise of the movie seems to be that the Thermian home world was many times that distance, so they received programming that was decades old.

Regarding cartoons, I don't recall that being addressed. I suppose you could call that a plot hole, if you like, although since cartoons of the day very rarely involved real people, one might think the Thermians at least savvy enough to discern that they were not historical documents.

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Re the speed of light and the Thermians: their voice communicator worked with no delay when Jason called Brandon. So apparently there's a wormhole of some sort between the Thermians' location in space and earth.

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and so we become what we parody

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"when nerds attack"

oh -- he's ON the blufftoni !!


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two words: quantum entanglement.

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No. The interstellar vox would be capable of generating one, or transmitting through "subspace" or some other means.

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Good explanation, but I think this is another question that falls in the bucket of "OK, you're taking this way too seriously."

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Light is electromagnetic radiation.
So are television signals. Specifically, they are radio signals.
And radio signals travel at the speed of light.
Please take your own advice and take a physics class.

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Wow, you're really smart aren't you? Light travels at the speed of light (186,000 miles per second), television signals travel at around 6,800 miles per hour. The broadcast would have never traveled far enough to reach a planet.

Please take a physics class some day and then get back to me.



And you might take a manners class and then get back to us.

Is there really any reason to be that rude?



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Not to mention that they are wrong about the speed at which radio waves travel. lol

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Misunderstanding all you see

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They are an extremely advanced civilization but incredibly naive. Perhaps thats why Sarris has been able to singlehandedly destroy their entire civilization with ease.

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The Thermians seems to be easily killed, so maybe a few of them died re-enacting 'duck season! rabbit season!'

Maybe the whole group should have been dressed in red shirts and be done with it.

I need three days notice to "Have a wank."

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The Thermians seems to be easily killed, so maybe a few of them died re-enacting 'duck season! rabbit season!'

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I saw it as a nod to all those TOS episodes where budget constraints meant they visited a REMARKABLY earthlike planet every week.

There's even one (A piece of the action) where a developing world gets hold of a copy of a book detailing 1920s mob wars ... which forms the basis of their society.

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I guess you guys missed the fact that this film is a comedy and a spoof of Star Trek. Stop taking it so serious.

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Lol krisdobo - took the words out of my mouth. Sometimes we act like the "questies" at the opening convention in the film. Taking it all so serious. True there has to be some internal consistency and scientific logic - but it is always a movie. And this one is really a funny spoof.

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I love this movie. Its one of my favorites. And I know its just comedy and not to be taken seriously, but one thing has always bothered me -

They learned all about the ship from the "historical documents" including the fuel source, which was the beryllium spheres. Taggart says in one part of the movie that the show's beryllium sphere is made of wire and plaster.

So, what are the odds that the Thermians can not only duplicate the entire ship including operation, but also locate real beryllium spheres that both look like the models AND can be used as a fuel source?

Just sayin'...

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The real Beryllium spheres weren't created by the Thermians, but was a real element in our galaxy that helps to produce or store the energy needed to power a ship like nthat, and the Thermians call it Beryllium because it essentially held the same properties.

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And they just happened to look like the plaster and wire models made for the show?

That's some coincidence.

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If you think too hard about this comedy you will go nuts. Just take it for what it is, laugh and enjoy laughing. It is good for you.

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Yeah..did they think the commercials were real?

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I just have to wonder what they thought of the Tidy Bowl Man! lol

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I always thought about that.. It never bothered me (didn't detract from my viewing pleasure), but I always wondered how does a race of seeming simpletons build an intergalactic starship patterned after a TV show model, and then get it to work with something that's the same in appearance as a ball of wires and plaster, but coincidentally happens to fulfill the same function as what they say on TV.

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All these lines of speculation are really funny. Galaxy Quest is not only a comedy, it's pure fantasy. Just because it has some trappings of what we think of as Earth circa 1999 doesn't mean it is. What it is NOT is an Historical Document. And picking it apart destroys the fantasy. You want a logic hole? - an out of this world space ship crashes into a convention center in the LA area and NOBODY NOTICES???????? Except it's enough to give our 'stars' a chance at a TV sequel? We're talking permament containment in Area 51 along with Ginormica, LINK, and Bob. Fantasy,people!!!

Park the 'logic' part of your brain at the door and just sit back and enjoy the ride.

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Maybe the cable company cut them off after a month of re-runs because they didn't pay the bill. :-)

My own bet is that the Thermians might have caught a GQ weekend, maybe a Gilligans Island weekend as well, that let them see them in a short period of time.

Or maybe they found a really good torrent and downloaded the whole lot...

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The Thermians might have understood the concept of "art" even if they didn't understand "theater". Cartoons are drawn images, "art", and might have been interpreted differently from a sitcom with real actors involved. In other words, they might have easily realized that the animated images of a cartoon were not "real" even though they couldn't comprehend the humor. In fact, this possible lack of comprehension might have caused them to largely ignore cartoons, like us looking at ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.

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You're right. One of them says at one point "This is an art, not a science".

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