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Am i the only one to think that the last showdown in Cuba was a too much

posted 14 years ago by jacky56
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Let me start by saying that I have no expertise in US foreign affairs, politics, and military operations.

that said, here are the question. Cuba is still under the dictatorship of Castro am i right? Is the type of action taken by Mike and Marcus even realistic in the political context? Wouldn't the Us gov be in trouble for operations as such (if not, definitely miami dade) in the event such mission became known internationally? Is it realistic to even think that buncha ex special forces will so willingly engage in black ops operation to help some two cops from miami safe a girl? What about the Budget involved with the operation? Who will handle those?

But wait...

Didnt Mike marcus and marcus' sister try to safe themselves by driving up to the Us naval base.....which means the operation wouldn't be a secret operation any more. Wouldn't Mike, Marcus, and everyone involved with operation be in serious trouble?

So many questions I want answered....

Now i know this is just a movie and it doesnt have to be 100% realistic.

All i want is for someone with knowledge in foreign affairs, politics, and military operations to tell me whether or not the questions I have raised would at all be relevant if such event was to take place in the real world.

[–] corek1949 14 years ago

Having a minefield outside the Gitmo base, where the mines can easily be seen is also unlikely. Especially as Minefields are now forbidden under the Mine Ban Treaty. Yes the last showdown is so unlikely as anyone with weapons near the Gitmo base, within the minefield (which would have to be on US territory) would be shot as potential terrorists, and the US government would then be paying compensation to the Cuban government for the armed intrusion.

[–] sugar22 13 years ago

the US didn't sign the landmine treaty, so they are free to use the landmines. coincidentally, cuba didn't sign it either. even if both did, they can still use remote controlled claymores and anti tank mines and various booby traps and devices to get around such things.

[–] TX-Hskr 13 years ago

"Having a minefield outside the Gitmo base, where the mines can easily be seen is also unlikely. Especially as Minefields are now forbidden under the Mine Ban Treaty. Yes the last showdown is so unlikely as anyone with weapons near the Gitmo base, within the minefield (which would have to be on US territory) would be shot as potential terrorists, and the US government would then be paying compensation to the Cuban government for the armed intrusion."

This is a year old but it should be noted that the US-Cuba line at GTMO was previously the biggest minefield in the Northern Hemisphere with 55,000 landmines, placed by both the US and Cuban forces. The US has never and will never sign the Ottawa Treaty, which only applies to anti-personnel land mines and not claymore mines or anti-material mines. Landmines are a crucial part of passive deterrent in places like Korea, Cuba and previously Iraq.

At the time this movie was filmed and released, the United States was in the process of removing and verifying the removal of their land mines, which are now completely gone. However, the mines on the Cuban side of the line (the part portrayed in the movie) remain. They were not on US territory, as the "you're staying in Cuba" line explained. US forces cannot fire across the border.

Of course, none of this matters when in reality, it is incredibly difficult to get to GTMO from Cuba so the whole scene requires a bit of suspension of belief.

[–] Strazdamonas 14 years ago

altrough such showdown is not possible, i will try to answer some questions. im no exper in foregn policies either, but i try to be educated where i can.

Wouldn't the Us gov be in trouble for operations as such (if not, definitely miami dade) in the event such mission became known internationally?

Yes, would get in trouble, however US and cuban relationship was never good to begin with, and frankly i dont see why are they laying them back so much now anyway.

Is it realistic to even think that buncha ex special forces will so willingly engage in black ops operation to help some two cops from miami safe a girl?

it looked like the ex military were in debt to the police chief and was paying it back. could be they served together and he saved thier life or something. we dont know.

What about the Budget involved with the operation?

what about the 100.000.000 loot?

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[–] nymichael2002 14 years ago

I agree 100%, this where the movie totally lost me and I actually burst out laughing due to how dumb it got.

First of all they land by Havana and then run to Guantanamo Bay. By foot that distance would several weeks and they make it in a few minutes. Then again Michael Bay doesn't care less about geography and neither do most of his fans.

[–] sugar22 13 years ago

regardless of how unrealistic bay movies are, they drove from the mansion to guantanamo bay not walked. also, who said they were near Havana? the mansion might be within driving distance to guantanamo though realistically no sane drug dealer would live within driving distance to a US Naval Base.

[–] khawk858 14 years ago

Would there be a international backlash? Are you kidding? The U.S. is already seen as trying to be John Wayne in its dealings with Latin America and the rest of the world. The uproar would not stop in Latin America, but it would spread all across the world because it would be seen as an American invasion of a sovereign country with whom the U.S. has no hostilities, just an embargo. We would be condemned by the U.N. and the rest of the world. How would you like it if Cuba had an individual taken from it by force to here, then sent in special forces to take the person back, and then started shooting American troops in order to get away?

How about running through the shanty town? People live in those hovels. If you have not seen them before, you should go to any Central American country and see them. You saw there was a full laundry line. This would not be a cocaine processing plant for all of the structures. It would be impossible to drive through so many buildings without harming someone by either running over them or having someone injured with the many explosions. You have to understand the people who live in these shack cities are the lowest rung of society.

BTW, there would be no denying the U.S. government's involvement if it allowed the individuals to be given sanctuary at "Gitmo." What of the Congressional investigation of the whole affair? The CIA is shown to have given technical and logistic support to a foreign operation which can only be okayed by a specific finding by the President.

I know it is a movie. However, these jingoistic pieces of crap are fodder to those who seek to demean the U.S. I liked the question of who would have funded the operation. The question not raised is who would foot the bill for the damages done to Cuba and its army. That $100 million would not begin to foot the bill after the lawsuits arising from the damages.

Castro lives on fear he feeds his citizens of what would happen in a U.S. invasion. I guess no one here remembers reading about the Bay of Pigs in 1961. The CIA had an operation supporting and transporting Cuban exiles to the beaches. However, President Kennedy did not back the invasion, and the people who were involved were slaughtered on the beaches. Castro used it as a huge propaganda success to round up his opponents as counter-revolutionaries.

Thanks for allowing my rant. This movie deserves a 1 for the disservice it does to the whole range of government entities which are shown as complicit in this disaster.

[–] dos_azn 9 years ago

I think everyone who watched the movie thought the last showdown was completely ridiculous. There is so so SO much international backlash that would happen with such an attack.

When you think about how it ended though, its possible for them to get away with all of it. Theres no physical evidence that the Cuban government can provide that confirms American soldiers illegally fighting in Cuban territory. There were no casualties, they have no corpse of an American soldier to prove it, there is no security footage, the security room was taken out, and no equipment left at the Tapia compound to suggest they were American, like dogtags or patches. The only people who knew they went to the naval base was Tapia and his men, who are dead. The soldiers stationed at the base will be instructed by government official, in the interest of protecting the U.S. It can be pulled off.

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[–] I_Guard_Tanelorn 8 years ago

Tonal issues of the film aside, it's the whole last act in Cuba that drags this movie into the crap zone. A bit more script work and adhering to a more grounded and traditional finale would have made this a fairly solid sequel.

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