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Well, this was a beautiful movie, and I watched with a few friends. At the end, we were having different opinions about it's message.
What did u understand about the movie's ending? Why did it happen like it happened?
Well, this was a beautiful movie, and I watched with a few friends. At the end, we were having different opinions about it's message.
What did u understand about the movie's ending? Why did it happen like it happened?
I didnt understand the movie.
Why did he confess something he didnt do ?
Did he toght it was his wife who did it ?
I just figured that he confessed to the murders because he was deeply frustrated and borderline psychotic.
He was frustrated at his private life, and not being able to sleep in the same room with a beautiful spouse for two years will do that to a man. He was pushed to the point where he was having sexual affairs with cheap prostitutes because it symbolized the 'complete opposite' of what his wife represented. These hookers would provide very much (sexual favours) for not a lot of money. Whereas he hints at his wife's vast expenses and he gets no sexual pleasure from her.
His psychosis is gradually pushed further and further along by the consistent pressure from the two detectives, and even to the point where he is pushed/falls down a flight of stairs and the detective is a heartbeat away from punching him in the face.
Morgan Freeman's character even gives him clues about how guilty he really is, such as the line about a lier having their eyes looking down and to the left. Like that saying goes, "you can only hear something so many times before you start to believe it"... Perhaps he even believed that he actually was guilty by the end, who knows.
But one thing is for sure, Gene Hackman's character certainly did NOT confess to protect his wife.. he resented her for not loving him.. She was the reason he was under so much pressure, and he hated her for that. He states in the movie that the only reason he doesn't divorce her is because of the money that he would have to give up, and that a divorce would even affect his workplace because he would lose his 'high & mighty' status.
In conclusion, I believe he confessed to the murders, not because he was protecting anyone, but I believe he wanted to escape. Escape from everything, his wife, his life and eventually escape from reality...
Smartass-Dumbass (thought his alias implies differently :P) summed up the confession as accurate as possible. Due to many contributing factors (the lack of affection from his wife and his own mental stability in question,) Henry (Gene Hackman) confesses to escape. The skeletons in his closet were openly visible now, on top of the poor personal life he was already suffering. His false confession was the only way out of it.
shareGenes character confeses to the crime because he thinks that his wife is the one doing the killing. He thinks that his wife out of jealosy is killing the girls because they are taking the place she once had. So she finds the pics in his dark room and decides to go and kill those little girls. She is a jealous woman and you see that at the christmas party, for that she decides to sleep in separate rooms, wow shes crazy. so gene loves her so much that he is willing to take the rap for her and go to jail. Of course she thinks he did the killing , thats why in the end of the movie she goes to embrace him as a way of asking for forginess for not supporting him throughout the evening and the past year that they've been living apart in the same house.She also realises how much he loves her . He is going with low class hookers because he doesn't want anybody better than his wife. He turns away because hes had enough and cant be with his wife anymore especially after the way she's treated him and not supporting him through the nights ordeal. I've seen this movie about 6 months ago and I dont remember every detail but that has to be the plot , allthough i will say that the film leaves to much for the viewer to decide.
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If his wife is guilty, id be very interested to know how she raped two girls...
shareit looks like many people had the same confusion about the end of the movie as me!
it definitely leaves you hanging not knowing for sure.
if you remember, a female police officer told morgan freeman that the REAL rapist/killer was caught -- and that another child had died (i think while hackman was being detained, which proved it wasn't him).
as for his wife, they had a screwed up relationship, but that doesn't make him a killer (as he said in the movie).
i thought this movie was very compelling, but was definitely left unsatisfied by the crappy, weird ending.
I too was very confused by the ending, but reading these posts the pieces are starting to come together. This is how I now see it:
- Henry Hearst (Gene Hackman) confessed when he believed that his wife had committed the murders. His immediate reaction when he saw that there were pictures of those girls in his dark room was "I didn't think she would go so far". I had understood this to mean she was trying to frame him, but I agree with the person who said here that it was that he thought she was so insanely jealous that she was capable of murdering those girls, thinking he was up to no good with them, just as she imagined (?) he was with the niece (a touch of Rashomon there with the two interpretations of the same events). So he lied to protect her, out of pity and love and perhaps a paternalistic instinct, or maybe just to escape from the net(s) in which he was trapped. [In answer to the question as to how a woman could "rape" a girl, remember that no semen was found - think plastics.]
- When Henry confessed, Chantal (Monica Bellucci) believed that he really did do it, as she suspected all along, and that is why she spat at the window.
- As revealed at the end, it really was someone else altogether who was guilty of these crimes. It is precisely the fact that neither Henry nor Chantal had committed the crime that allowed each to think the other one had done it.
- Henry was so disgusted by the realisation of what he had been reduced to, the total public humiliation, the complete lack of support from his wife, and her insane jealousy, that he decided he could no longer maintain the farce of a marriage, in spite of the fact that he may have still loved her.
Does all this sound reasonable?
I don't like it when a movie spells everything out for you, but I agree this one left things with way too many loose ends. Without this message group, I would have been left completely clueless as to what happened!
I enjoyed this movie. It shows how good acting and directing can provide all the suspence you need without action. This movie is all tension with no need for car chases and explosions. The director often zooms in on a lighter being flicked on or a close-up when a phrase has a possible double meaning. Often the dissolves into flashback mode are cleverly done so as to make the viewer ponder their legitimacy. I was thinking this was going to be a mystery story but it's a psychological evaluation of a character. I liked it.
Henry Hearst (Gene Hackman) confessed to the murders because:
a) He was miserable that wife thought he was guilty.
b) To protect what he thought was his guilty wife.
c) As an atonement for his sins once his self-esteem was gone.
I agree with Julior in choosing b.
This is the message: "Under Suspicious" is a bad movie, with a bad ending (simply stupid and confused), but with two great actors. 5/10 (and i am generous)
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Well, I didn't read all of the comments so far here so someone might have already said this, but to answer your question, cristilogo, it is my opinion that the film is saying that no matter how guilty a person looks, they could just possibly be innocent. In the case of the film, the character of Henry Buchanan Hurst as played by Gene Hackman appears to be the guilty one. It looks completely like he killed the girls. He has documented habits of visiting barely legal websites. He admits to having spent time having sex with very young hookers. And, he happened to be in the areas where the murders were committed at or around the times they were committed. So, with all that, he looks precisely like the killer that Morgan Freeman was looking for. So, when, at the end, Hackman starts confessing to the crimes, I felt that he knew no matter what he did, he would never convince Freeman or Thomas Jane of his innocence. Plus, the pictures! He had pictures of the victims in his home. So, with everything he had done that the police had found out about (pictures, websites, admitting to being with young hookers, his whereabouts), an eventual prosecutor in the trial of Henry Hurst would have gotten a conviction with his eyes closed. It just happened that in the end they arrested the real killer in the act and he confessed so Henry was released. As for the actual ending to the film, I'm kind of ambivalent about it. I used to like it, but I'm not sure now.
"You do not know who you are *beep* with!!"
-Blade 2
From what I can tell (from the commentary of the film and from the film itself) Henry was innocent all along. Remember, the novel that both the first version of the film and this one are based upon is called "Brain Wash". Also, here is the following commentary about the confession (note, I've tried to transcribe it from what they are saying from the audio track. However, I have left out some bits because I was unable type it out quickly and the sentences were too long, but it is close to it directly):
(During the confession, when Freeman and Bellucci's characters realize what they've done to Henry)
Freeman: The intertesting thing about false confessions, when they get enough information from the interigator to recount what happenned, this is one of those situations.
Hopkins: You've him all the juice.
Freeman: All of it.
Hopkins: You've made him feel about the murder the way you do. We shot a sort of scene over this, didn't we? Where you walk out and see the back of the bad guy and you ask him why he did it and all that other stuff. But we dropped that pretty big scene because it seemed to break the mood for the end of the film.
(During the outside shot of where Monica is walking in the crowd, up to the ending of the film)
Freeman: There is one that leaves me personally and a lot of people I know kind of confused. And that's one thats coming up. She's out. She goes out. So now she's outside. She must be walking around. Lost in this sort of emotional haze. And then she climbs up to something that looks like a parapit, and we think "oh my god, she's gonna jump!" So, it's a red harring.
Hopkins: It's a red harring. I think she's considering it. I don't know if she thinks she has much to live for. In the original film, she blows her brains out. And as much as the french fancies wanted us to do it, I know Gene really wanted that to happen too. (comment about the original film and about how bad an idea it was to have Monica play Chantal as an unbalanced woman.)
Freeman: However, after experiencing the red harring, we have a sense of closure when she shows up and he can reject her. He's desperately looking for her.
Hopkins: And it's obvious that they have been in love. And against all the signs, these two people were in love or are in love or whatever that means. And hopefully for anyone who doesn't understand why he confessed, this was the reason.
Freeman: A lot of people don't understand why, what he was doing.
(comments about how lucky the person who buy the DVD getting a chance to understand the ending)
Hopkins: (couldn't catch the first part of this bit) And he does it because the woman he loves believes he's such a monster and has nothing to live for.
Hope that's helpful.
So the official explanation of the ending is that Henry was brainwashed by Victor's interrogations into thinking that he had actually committed the murders. Nothing to do with him protecting his wife and nothing to do with him 'giving in' to the police because his wife didn't love him anymore.
The message then is how the intense pressure of an interrogation upon an individual can make an innocent person believe in their own guilt.
Well, i've read all the comments here and for some reason some of them are insisting that Chantal did the crimes and Hearst was covering for them. One of the comments asked how could she rape them? its quite a contradiction as i see it. Remember that Freeman said that the killer had to know his/her victims cause there was no violence took place, we know that Hearst could've had the chance to meet those little girls and not to be a stranger to them. But for Chantal, how could she develop such a relationship? i think this is another hole in Chantal being the murderer theory.
I didn't read the story in which the movie was based on, but i don't think the aim of the movie is who committed those crimes, it's all about the relationships and how to maintain them, how to keep a young jealous wife and how to make him love again. Heast was a normal guy with a fortune, success, fame and a sexy as hell wife. He had everything except for the love of his wife; he even showed that Freeman is an example of those people who would like to see him going down as a reason of being jealous by referring to his x-wife who had left him for a richer man.
So, Hearst confessed to those crimes when he saw all his deepest darkest secrets are spread widely, remember during the interrogation he tried not to let her hear what was going in the interrogation between him and Freeman, not because he was afraid to let her know those secrets, because he didn't want to hurt her in any way, he is still in love with her and that's shown when with the shot which pictures him knocking the door at night at Chantal's bedroom which indicates that he didn't like the life he was living by paying visits to steer hookers and he still wants her. At the point when he starts to confess is when he looks at the double glass window while Freeman is repeating the question, at that point he was sure that she believes that he is the murderer and committed those crimes, it was the last thing he expected, at that moment when Freeman kept repeating his question he wasn't paying attention cause he was thinking, what i got left, all the pieces added together points to me, my wife believes i'm the killer. He is frustrated and he tried to take vengeance at her by confessing to those crimes in front of her while she was listening as a way to punish her for not supporting him and thinking of him in that way. Remember when they asked him about the crime details, he didn't give any new details!! he just kept stating the details which he heard while he was being under interrogation. NOTHING NEW not a single new detail that tells you that he didn't actually commit those crimes, he did it as revenge.
Hearst only crime was that he liked young girls and any aged man likes them too. The final scene explains itself by marching through that crowded street to illustrate the emotions and how Chantal broke the last string that kept them together.
I will be happy to hear any corrections in this theory.
Well, I agree on this. However, if Chantal DID do it (even if it was in Henry's mind), it is still possible that she could have done it without the struggle. Remember what Freeman's character said during the flashback of the murder after Detective Owens asked Chantal to enter her husband's dark room, "We don't have any evidence of a struggle. So, it had to be somebody very good with children, or someone she knew." From what Chantal said, that she and Henry were fond of Camille, which means that she must have had a good relationship with her, even though she doesn't see her much, prior to catching Herny with her. This could be suggesting that Chantal is very good with children. Besides, Chantal isn't a killer type (I've seen enough movies to tell the difference between a normal woman with major issues and a cold, manipulative killer. Chantal isn't a killer).
Actually, Henry DID give them a couple of new details about the first murder that were different from what he was fed. If you listen, he said that he met her at a doorstep (which he pictures in his head), where the police said that she met the killer SOMEWHERE in the area. Also, Henry said that he strangled her and then moved her. Henry states that he strangled and raped her in an alleyway. Freeman also said that she may have been chased or lured down to the beach, where as Henry said he dragged the body down to the beach.
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I re-considered for quite some time, but I still can't understand why someone who watched the movie would think Henry's false confessions were in any way related to him thinking Chantal being the murderer. He didn't think that at all, not even for a millisecond. Smartass-Dumbass (second posting in this thread) explained the situation very clearly and precisely.
Sure, in theory it would be possible that Chantal killed the two kids after she found their pictures in Henry's darkroom, and Henry considering Chantal to be the murderer since she was so jealous. But in practice, this theory is out of this world. Chantal was neither mad or full of rage after Henry was "flirting" with her niece. Actually, she was simply shocked and disappointed and even more importantly, she was very hurt. She stayed very passive all the way, that's not the attitude of a person who kills out of jealousy. Not to mention that Chantal's character itself was the sheer opposite of a killer, regardless of the conditions she could have murdered under.
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The first time I saw the movie, it came on Bravo, and it was halfway through when I started to watch it. Initially I thought that Freeman was torn between who done it, Hackman or Belucci. I then picked up a copy because it was in the cheap DVD pile at the store and I was interested in seeing the whole thing. I never once thought even the first time I saw it that it was Belucci. My feelings were reaffirmed when I watch all of the movie. The whole movie was about jealousy and getting old. Chantal was almost insanely jealous of her husband. He was very insecure about himself. He felt that people disliked him. He felt old and ugly. He felt that he deserved nothing he had. He was somewhat jealous of Chantal, thinking that she wanted to be with someone like her sister's husband, but that was due to his insecurity. He was with the street hookers because he felt like that was all he was worth. Two years of the wife confirming all of his worst fears (rejecting him) destroyed his self-esteem. I think he still loved her but at the same time he, when all of his actions came out and he had to face them, he began to hate her. Because at that time, it had become apparent what she turned him into. He confessed because he felt that even though he didn't do it, he had finally lost, he could hurt her in the process, and of course it would give him the freedom he so desired. I think she always loved him. By the end though he hated her. I imagine divorce came shortky after that.
shareHaving just watched movie on C4 am suitably impressed if a little confused. I can see where everybody is coming from on the previous posts and think the intentional ambiguity of the movie allows in some way for most of the opinions raised. However, I think one thing is being overlooked (and I could be reading too much into this), but at one point during the confession (maybe two) Hackman's charcter quite clearly says "WE" ie "we moved the body" or something along those lines which may suggest that there is more than one person involved. Again this only deepens the ambiguity - Hackman + 1 other , Belucci +1 other, Hackman trying to implicate his wife or just simply 'brain washed' by the pressure and becoming confused. Personally, for what its worth, I think Hackman's character is guilty of something - I'm just not sure what!!?
shareWouldn't Victor or Owens have picked up on it had he said "We moved the body"?
shareI'm positive Hackman said 'WE' aswell - giving the impression maybe it was him and someone else (the actual killer). Possible reasons why Victor didnt pick it up was because he was too in shock with the other news of the real killer and Owens because he was too focused that he got his man.
Having said that though, it doesnt make sense if Hackman had an accomplice unless it was any of the main characters. That's why I thought the ending was well played by the director, becuase the focus of the film no longer was about the murders, but Hackmans character and his relationship with his wife and what Hackman has degenerated into.
Yeah, I heard "We".
I dunno what Stephen Hopkins was talking about, cos it sounds like Gene had a friend doing this crimes as well, I reckon he raped and killed her, but someone else raped her as well.
Also explains why photos are their (coincidence if killer had taken photos as well).
I understand criminal and forensic psychology (I've read some amazing essays on how to influence someones mind), but to make someone confess seemed a little far, he wasn't in THAT much of an emotional state. He managed to wisecrack about Freemans marriage.
Owens going into the house suggested maybe he did it, as he might have set up Hackman by having a fling with Chantel (I know a Chantal shes fit), and they worked together. Or that Owens was going to rape Chantel?
Good camerawork though.
"this is it" "chew some gum your breath smells like my grandmothers feet" THE CHASE
In the ambiguities (intentional?) in the story, one possible explanation is that Gene thinks that Chantal had set him up using someone else to commit the crimes. (Evidence of this is in the apparent close relationship between Owens and her, her allegedly giving the photos to owens, her guilty look when it is disclosed that the killer had been caught, the "we" was a recognition by Gene that she had done this and therefore he needed to create a confession that would account for evidence that there were two killers (haven't fully developed this idea yet)). Remember all of this is brought to Gene in pieces and never fully rationalized. He hears only what Freeman is willing to tell him. None of it is probably true (the pictures themselves could have been a set-up). He continually looks to rationalize the story toward innocence, but as he gets farther and farther in and gets more isolated bits of data he falls farther away from rationality. The final blow is Chantal's betrayal. His crimes were, in the end, justifiable, but not to Chantal and his ego. Rationale for Genes "confession": His ego required that he justify his actions (thus the lies), when he realized (wrongly perhaps) how much his love (chantal) hated him, he had lost all and therefore he was guilty in the end of failing her, his image etc. and therefore might as well immolate himself.
shareHenry said it was "me and the dog" that found the body.
shareMy thoughts:
Henry confessed for probably two reasons, the interrogation techniques had broken him down, he didn't care about anything at that point, and because he was crushed that his wife actually thought he was guilty. For example, when the photos were brought in, he was so broken down that he did not defend himself and state (as before) that he was documenting Island life.
The movie took place from the time Henry was initially suspected by the police, to his breakdown and confession, which I think took place over one afternoon and into the evening. Less than a day. Most of the story line was introduced over that time period by the use of flashbacks, recollections, and so on. I think the effect was that time seemed less compressed than it actually was.
I think he loved his wife and was very hurt by her rejection, although the movie did not look much at the history of how/why that happened. I think he was willing to live with it, hoping that someday she would perhaps start loving him again.
I think the wife was insecure, possibly jealous, and misconstrued events, unwilling to give Henry any chance to explain any situation she did not understand, such as the niece at Christmas. The camera very carefully told two different versions of that event, first through her eyes, which saw evil happening, second through his eyes, which showed an innocent sharing of the niece's feelings about her gifts with him. During his recall, notice how the niece shrugs her shoulders and laughs off what she sees, which is her Aunt's disgust/misperception (in just a glance) of their conversation.
Henry at least visited prostitutes, so he could feel some sexuality. She apparently just locked herself in her room suppressing her feelings. Her refusal to even try to communicate with Henry was problematic; it's hard being completely shut out. I think she was portrayed as having grown into a woman that could not handle her sexuality.
He pushed her away in the final scene because after the very open police accusations, he acknowledged (to himself) that his wife's under-the-table snubbing was just as hurtful as the police had been and he was disgusted with it all.
Note, I did not read the book, so I don't know what it said, or how closely the movie followed it.