Have to kill or silence everyone who knew about the new will and the baby? It wouldn’t really matter seeing how if she just killed Van Garrett, his son, the widow, Van Tassel and Katrina the money would go to her? The only thing I can think of is they would figure out she was behind the whole thing but if the others were silenced then no one would know that the widow was killed for the same reasons and therefore it would make the murders seem more random
shareI think it was just blood lust for her at some point. She loved having that power.
shareThat actually sounds more logical than the previous suggestion, I mean once Ichabod shows up the fact that more people start dying isn't going to convince him to drop his investigation.
shareI agree. I'm sure she was hoping to scare him off with it all as well but I don't think that was a part of it all. It's been a while since I last watched so I could be totally wrong.
shareI have to disagree. Sure, blood lust was some part of it, but if that was the reason she would've started killing random villagers instead of only those part of the conspiracy.
share"the fact that more people start dying isn't going to convince him to drop his investigation."
That is NOT AT ALL what I said. It's no coincidence the victims were all part of the conspiracy. She already made deals with them to stay quiet, so there was not really any reason to kill them unless she was afraid they were going to reveal something to Ichabod. But she probably did think the horseman would scare him back to New York.
The reverend and the doctor she was either blackmailing or putting out for in exchange for their silence, and then the notary was just too scared to say anything. The midwife, her husband, her son, Masbeth and the magistrate all knew about the child but as I asked why did it matter if anyone knew about the child? Even if no one knew about the child it was still quite obvious that everyone in line for the will was being murdered by the horseman.
The only explanation I will accept is she was hoping the widow, Masbeth's, the magistrate and the midwife and her family's murders would make it seem like there was no pattern to the killings but still with Ichobad in town it was beyond likely he would figure everything out, which he did. Therefore the only thing that would make her plan work would be if she had a bunch of random people who had nothing to do with the will killed as well.
"why did it matter if anyone knew about the child?"
Because the child would inherit everything if Van Garrett died, which would provide an obvious motive for other family members to kill him. Storywise, there had to be a child or else the murders would appear less random at first.
"it was still quite obvious that everyone in line for the will was being murdered by the horseman."
Only to those who were part of the conspiracy, but Lady Van Tassel convinced them to stay quiet. She also used the horseman to kill for her to throw people off. So no, it wasn't really that obvious to them until later on.
"The only explanation I will accept is she was hoping the widow, Masbeth's, the magistrate and the midwife and her family's murders would make it seem like there was no pattern to the killings"
In that case she would have murdered random villagers, not those who knew of the will or marriage. Ichabod was still hanging around town (most likely not her plan) and she feared the others were going to spill the beans.
But if the child were dead it wouldn’t matter if anyone else knew the child was in line for the money.
Anyone who cared to dig (such as ichobad) would realize that five of the murders happened to be people in line for the will (Katrina , Van Tassal, Emily Winship, Van Garrett and his son). Whether they knew about the baby or not was irrelevant, that would just mean six people in line for the will were killed instead of five
But there were no beans to spill. All that anyone could say is that another person who was in line for the will was murdered but everyone already knew about four others who were in line for the will who were killed and if the horseman had succeeded in killing Katrina that would have been five. It still would have been obvious the murders were related to the will. If the plan was to make it seem that the killings weren’t related to the will then killed a bunch of random people would have been the logical course of action
You're being very confusing. If people knew there was a baby, they would want to know about the father and might eventually find out the connection between the victims. When Ichabod started digging, Lady Van Tassel feared him finding out that information and therefore had to kill the others. And she certainly didn't want him to know she had been the one trying to keep people silent.
When the widow Winship and child were killed, nobody (except the conspirators) knew they were the next in line. Baltas' death by the horseman was witnessed by the whole town. Lady Van Tassel only tried to kill Katrina after Ichabod had left and the rest of the villagers were already convinced a supernatural being was behind it all. So I don't think that a lot of people would still make the connection with the will, especially since she made people think she almost got killed by the horseman herself.
Believe it or not, but I actually agree that Lady Van Tassel should've killed someone completely random, especially after Ichabod arrived. But it's not the reason she killed those people. It's even said the midwife and Masbeth were killed because they knew too much.
They easily could have figured out the connection between the victims without knowing about the baby. You’re talking nonsense
It doesn’t matter that Icohbad had left when she tried to kill Katrina. Ichobad isn’t the only person capable of solving this mystery. Even if they didn’t know about the baby they would know about 5 victims who were all in line for the will. They would have figured it out.
And as I said killing the others such as the magistrate and midwife were pointless because it wouldn’t make any difference to her if the world knew about the baby
By killing everyone else all she achieved was now society only knew of 5 victims connected to the will instead of 6
No, YOU are talking nonsense. Nobody said it wasn't possible to figure it out without the baby, but it was a piece of info that could lead to the discovery of the marriage and will. Easily? No, only if those involved revealed the secret. Lady Van Tassel tried to make sure they didn't.
Ichabod was the only one from the authorities, so he was the only one that mattered. The rest of the village was already convinced it was just the work of a supernatural being. Had she succeeded, not only would the known beneficiaries have been dead, but also a bunch of other people, making it seem much more random. With Lady Van Tassel seemingly having been attacked as well, I doubt anyone in town would make the connection.
Anyway, this is turning into a different discussion. You asked why Van Tassel killed the others. Because they knew about the baby, marriage and/or will and might've spilled the beans to the authorities. It doesn't matter if YOU think anybody else might've figured it out.
I’ll say again: it doesn’t matter if anyone knew the baby was in line for the will because even by concealing the baby’s existence there still would have been 5 victims who were connected to the will. Do you understand now?
And yes that was my original question and if you can’t provide an intelligent answer please just be adult enough to admit it. Based on everything you’ve said it would have just been easier to kill Icohbad, everyone would chalk it up to a supernatural occurrence
First, stop acting like an asshole. You should be grateful anyone is even willing to talk to you anymore. I've been nothing but respectful in this conversation, I expect the same from you. Insulting people's intelligence does not support your argument in any way.
Before Ichabod discovered the existence of the baby and tried to find out who the father was, nobody even knew about the new will. Do you understand that?
I'm not going to discuss who else besides Ichabod would be able to figure out the connection between the victims. Your question was simply why Lady Van Tassel wanted to kill those who knew about the will and the baby. My answer is based on dialogue in the movie: because she didn't want that information to be revealed.
Killing Ichabod would mean another police investigator would be sent to Sleepy Hollow, so that would've been rather pointless.
Your personal insults are dismissed, maybe if your premise had any kind of basis you wouldn't have to resort to such immature tactics.
If she wasn't going to have everyone who knew about the baby killed then there only would have been 5 victims: Van Garrett, Van Garrett's son, Emily Winship, Van Tasssel and Katrina. The 5 people who just happened to be in line for the will, it wouldn't have been rocket science that the will was the reason behind the attacks.
Even if that happened the new investigator would not have had the research that Ichobad already had at that point and at the very least it would have made it less likely anyone would have discovered what was really going on. That is assuming that they were too stupid to figure out that 5 of the victims were directly related to a will. Let me make this clear sweetheart: I am not suggesting that killing Ichobad would have been the best course of action, I'm saying by your logic it would have made more sense rather than killing every single person who knew about the baby which by the way would have made little difference. The most logical course of action would have had maybe 10-15 random people killed so that it would phase out the murders that mattered and it wouldn't look like Van Garret, his son, Emily Winship, Baltrus Van Tassel and Katrina were killed because of the will.
EDIT: Before you even think of correcting my possible misspelling of some of these characters names, know this: I DON'T CARE enough to even look up how their names are really spelled. Also comical irony alert: You pitch a fit when I call you a name, yet you somehow feel compelled to call me "asshole".
Lol, the hypocrisy is strong with this one!😆
The basis of my premise is in the movie.
"it wouldn't have been rocket science that the will was the reason behind the attacks."
And who exactly knew Winship and her child were in the new will? Right, only the conspirators who were silenced one way or another.
We can't make any assumptions about a new investigator. It's obvious Lady Van Tassel had hoped to scare Ichabod off with the supernatural horseman. We wouldn't have a story if she didn't underestimate our hero.
I'm not going to stay polite if you keep throwing insults. If you really want to seriously discuss this, then stop being rude and immature and you can expect the same from me.
No hypocrisy at all, you flipped out when I called you a name yet you are hurling profanity at me. Look darling I can take it but don't play the victim when you dish it out yourself.
And as I said before the remaining victims were clearly tied to the will, hiding the existence of the baby was pointless.
If Ichobad left because he was scared he still could have asked a new investigator to take his place, therefore your point is moot.
If you insult me, I insult you. It's only fair. Now do you want to seriously discuss this or just trade insults? I'm completely willing to do the first.
Let's say Ichabod had never started digging. In that case all the Van Garretts and Van Tassels would've ended up dead. But also seemingly unrelated victims like the widow Winship, Masbath, the midwife and probably the servant girl after Lady Van Tassel faked her attack. I don't think the will would've been an obvious connection.
Lol, Ichabod was NOT going to ask a new investigator to take his place since he believed Katrina was responsible. Lady Van Tassel expected to case to be closed once it became clear something supernatural was responsible for the killings.
Then therefore you shouldn't have pitched a fit correct? Now you need to concede that you have forfeited all right to play the victim as you so love to do.
And there wouldn't have been any point in singling out the magistrate and the midwife + family. There was no point in targeting the people who knew about the baby. That was my premise from the beginning, if the purpose was to make it look like the killings were unrelated to the will then just start decapitating random people.
And once Katrina was decapitated I think that would pretty much rule out that possibility you idiot. Your premise was that if Ichobad were killed they would have sent a new investigator, well there was nothing stopping them from still sending a new investigator if Ichobad came home after getting too scared so that is a moot point.
I simply said you acted like an asshole for insulting me and asked you to stop doing that. So can you?
"you idiot"
Clearly you can't...
That’s the same as calling me an “asshole” doesn’t it take an “asshole” to act like an “asshole”. And whatever logic you used to justify calling me an “asshole” just apply that to me calling you an “idiot”. Here’s some helpful advice for you going forward: don’t fish it out if you can’t take it
shareYou insulted me, I then "insulted" you. I asked if you could STOP insulting me and then you did it again. My advice to you: if you want to discuss the topic further, then stop insulting me.
shareActually you have that backwards darling, you called me an "asshole" first. Yeah facts suck don't they, next time think things through a little better.
Eh, honestly you have given up even attempting to have an intelligent discussion so I can take it or leave it.
Read back. I already pointed out how you insulted me before I said you acted like an asshole. No wonder YOU have such trouble having an intelligent discussion with anyone...
shareThe only time I actually insulted you was on a previous thread which was months ago. You seem like a miserable, bitter person if you hold a grudge for that long. And seeing how you have now called me an "asshole" you have forfeited all moral authority in this matter so the case is pretty much closed.
shareNo, the case is closed because we can now conclude that you can not read...
shareHoney, I won this argument a long time ago, the only reason I still talk to you is for my own entertainment
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shareYou concession is noted and your pathetic attempts at personal attacks are dismissed.
EDIT: Don't put too much stock in moviefanatic taking your side. He automatically takes whatever side I am not on. If I came out in support of oxygen he'd be in favor of deforestation.