Jasmine - Angel (1999) Discussion

[–] msannitti 8 years ago

Basically Charisma Carpenter got pregnant and Firefly got cancelled so Joss wanted to use one of his actors from there. The result is the worst storyline in the show.

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[–] DebLovesBeccy 8 years ago

Basically Charisma Carpenter got pregnant and Firefly got cancelled so Joss wanted to use one of his actors from there. The result is the worst storyline in the show

This pretty much sums it up. I don't know if I would call it the worst 'cause I think there were some good episodes and good parts in season for like the Demon and Angel losing his soul again but the ending with Jasmine was awful and would have been better if it had been played out with Cordelia. Maybe they should have put the filming on hold until after Charisma had her baby in real life.
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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Maybe they should have put the filming on hold until after Charisma had her baby in real life.

Impossible. A television show is contracted to produce a certain number of episodes per season. Angel's number was 22.

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[–] DebLovesBeccy 8 years ago

Impossible. A television show is contracted to produce a certain number of episodes per season. Angel's number was 22.

I thought that too but then '24' had an entire year off between Season 6 and 7 with the exception of the '24' redemption movie and 'Lost Girl' changed the number of episodes they had in Seasons and went from having 13 in Season One to 22 in Season 2 and back to 13 in Season 3.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Sure, they had different commitments. It really all comes down to what's negotiated and agreed upon at the beginning of the season.

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[–] Robert7677 8 years ago

Basically Charisma Carpenter got pregnant and Firefly got cancelled so Joss wanted to use one of his actors from there. The result is the worst storyline in the show.

This is perfect.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Jasmine was one of the Powers that Be. She manipulated events so she could be born into our world and be worshiped and adulated.

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[–] austin-pearce 8 years ago

At what point did Jasmine start manipulating Cordy? Was it in season 3 at some point?

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[–] msannitti 8 years ago

Sorry for my wise-ass response earlier, but I couldn't help jabbing at the nondiagetic reasons for why the Jasmine arc was my least favorite part of the show. As for you question here, it's debatable. Some say Cordy was under her control right after "Spin the Bottle". However, there is some evidence that says it could have been a more gradual or subtle taking of control after that. Skip says she's been influencing all of them for years, though. Should we believe him?

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

It was in season 4 when she came back from a higher plane. Lorne's spell in Spin the Bottle seems to be what awoke her.

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[–] austin-pearce 8 years ago

I wonder if the possession aspect was always intended to be there, or if that aspect only came in after Charisma got pregnant.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

I've read rumors that Cordy was always going to be possessed. That she would be the big villain for season 4. And that the final battle would be Angel against Cordy, which would be a switch from Angel vs Buffy, where Angel was the villain and his love was the hero. This time, he'd be the hero and his love would be the villain.

It would've also been a good pay off to Cordy asking Angel to train her in case she ever had to fight him.

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[–] austin-pearce 8 years ago

I wonder if it would've ended up with Cordy surviving and being freed.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

If Joss hadn't thrown a tantrum about Charisma's pregnancy, she probably would've.

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[–] austin-pearce 8 years ago

If she never got pregnant Cordy would've probably survived.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

If she never got pregnant Cordy would've probably survived.

I'm not going to blame the pregnant woman. I'm going to blame the so-called feminist who threw a tantrum because she messed with his story.

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[–] austin-pearce 8 years ago

They could've had Cordy in the coma for as long as Jasmine was alive, and she awoke as soon as Jasmine was done with.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Exactly. Which is why I blame Joss for what happened to Cordy's character and not Charisma.

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