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Colonel Childers was utterly justified in his order


His men were under withering fire from snipers on the rooftops and shooters in the crowd. While his biggest immediate threat were the snipers, his greatest threat was the crowd that was about ready to overrun the embassy, dooming him and his men. The crowd was full of shooters, so he was completely justified in defending his men and the U.S. embassy.

I'd like to see anyone try to establish a logical argument for why his actions were wrong. You can argue that he should have dealt with the snipers first, but I doubt anyone in that situation would not be more concerned about the fire from the crowd, which was ready to overrun his position.

In the context of the threat to the embassy and Col. Childer's men, the innocents that were interspersed in the crowd do not matter. American territory was under attack along with U.S. Marines, so he was completely justified in returning fire into the crowd.

Furthermore, you can argue that he was justified philosophically by U.S. policy. America does not negotiate with terrorists (human shields), because this only encourages the practice of terrorism by rewarding terrorists by complying with their demands. The result of this policy is that innocent people die (crowd)

Another thing: there were no innocents in that crowd. They were all there to kill Americans, and by willingly serving as human shields they are fair *beep* game. There is a very good reason non-uniformed combatants are not protected by the Geneva convention.

Anyone calling this movie 'racist' should be sterilized for their degenerate stupidity.

"The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised."

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I agree entirely. I don't think the argument claiming the order was unjust has as much to do with logic as it does basic human nature. Some people can't see beyond the killing of women and children, innocent or not.

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Some people can't see beyond the killing of women and children, innocent or not.

Very true.

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While I don't agree with your target-priority - the snipers are the most immediate threat, having a clear line of fire and effectively suppressing Childers and his men. I do agree with the rest of your post however.

Light travels faster than sound,
that's why people seem bright,
until you hear them.

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Of course he was. Childers did not order his men to fire until AFTER the protestors were firing first, presenting an imminent danger to him and his men.

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The point is not whether he was justified or not. The point is that the premise is totally and absurdly ridiculous.

Even if you buy that women show up to a protest rally with AKs under their burqas and little kids with hand guns (magical handguns with unlimited ammo and no recoil) a few smoke/tear grenades or warning shots into the crowd would have worked, they didn't need to strafe them with M60 machine guns until they were pretty much all dead.

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I think his order to shoot at the crowd was justified. I definitely do NOT think he was justified in shooting that unarmed POW point-blank in the head in Vietnam, though.

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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I completely agree he could order his men to shoot in the air and snipers to scare the crowd off. Don't tell me all those arabs were warriors or something like that. It's a usual Hollywood bullshet they have been feeding us all those years.
Did it ever occur to you why American has so much war going on with others on their land? It's USA - starts the war first and then says others were threatening the world.

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Totally agree. Cannot believe this was even presented as a question in this movie!

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You have people suing McDonalds for 'making them fat' in the real world. There is nothing in this world that will not be questioned by those who think they 'know best'.

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I don't know if I know best, but regardless of his justification for firing into the crowd I think his time f'ing around with the flag (and badly delaying the ambassador's departure as a result) would have been much better spent on the rooftop assessing the situation. Acting like a commanding officer, sort of thing.

That's one thing he should have been hauled over the coals for.

...then whoa, differences...

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