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An inaccurate answer/question in Jeopardy!


In the Jeopardy format it is hard to tell which to call the question and which the answer.

On Monday or Tuesday, January 25 or 26, there was a category in Jeopardy or double jeopardy called "C" Life". All the clues refered to someone whose name name starts with "C".

And one of the clues was about a famous Apache leader who it claimed had problems with (General George) Crook and died on a reservation in 1874.

A famous Apache leader who died peacefully on a reservation in 1874 and whose name started with "C" would obviously be Cochise (c. 1805-June 8, 1874).

So the contestant who said Cochise was correct.

But Cochise was quite lucky that he didn't have any major problems with General Crook.

All the western Apache groups in Arizona and western New Mexico entered a state of hostility with the Americans at different times in the early 1860s. One group, the Coyotero or White Mountain Apaches, made peace in 1869.

Another group, Eskiminzin and the Aravaipa Apaches, made peace at Camp Grant in 1871. But Apaches were not popular, and a group of Americans, Mexican Americans, and Tohono O'odham Indians, who all agreed that the only good Apache was a dead Apache, massacred over a hundred of those surrendered Apaches on April 30, 1871.

After that notorious incident, the government sent two peace envoys, Vincent Collyer and General O.O. Howard, to Arizona to make peace treaties with the various Apache groups and establish reservations for them, and sent General George Crook to defeat any Apaches who remained hostile.

Collyer and Howard persuaded most Apache groups to give reservation life a try. In 1872, only the Tontos, a mixed group of Apaches and Yavapais, and the Chiricahuas under Cochise had not made peace. But General Howard returned to Arizona, met Cochise, and established a reservation for the Chiricahuas in their homeland on October 12, 1872. In the nick of time, since Crook had already left his headquarters to begin his campaign against Cochise.

So Crook called off the attack on Cochise and turned all his force on the Tontos in a campaign over the winter of 1872-1873, and the Tontos were crushed. Since then, the vast majority of the Apaches remained in peace on their reservations, and the famous outbreaks over the next 13 years involved only a small minority of all the western Apaches.

I believe General Crook visited Cochise on his reservation once to see how things were going there and if the Chiricahuas were keeping their part of the treaty, and that is all the interaction that they had. And Cochise probably thought that he was lucky that he didn't have any worse troubles than that with General Crook.

Actually I have heard of Apache leaders whose names started with "C" who did have big trouble with General Crook, Chuntz, Cochinay, and Chan-deisi. They led an outbreak from San Carlos in 1873. Apache scouts tracked them down and turned in their heads to General Crook for the rewards. But they are much less well known than Cochise and only a few persons would have ever heard of them. The other leader of the outbreak in 1873 was Delshay, who had two heads - at least the general paid for two.

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Chuntz. huh-huh-huhuhuh.

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TL;DR

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On the show that aired today two contestants were ruled wrong for mispronouncing "Tenochtitlan" because they left out a t, yet later a contestant said the name "Lou Gerrick" instead of "Lou Gehrig" and she ruled her correct.

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We've noticed many inconsistencies over the past year. The game is changing and, in our opinion, not for the better. We still love it but we get annoyed at certain things that just didn't used to happen.

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I saw that. I didn't notice any problems with Lou Gehrig. Maybe my hearing isn't as good as it used to be.

I wonder how accurate the close captioning is. i guess if someone had the show recorded they could both listen to the name pronounced and read the close captioning.

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Close captions usually don't include mispronounced words unless they are acknowledged.

I will admit that I might have heard wrong myself. I have a bunch of recorded episodes so that one might be one of them. I gave up recording them because I fell so far behind due to lack of interest.

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And recently there was an episode where an answer was something like "the person that the Seven Electors elected".

And the question which was accepted as correct was "Who was the Holy Roman Emperor?"

In the early centuries the imperial title in Latin was Imperator Augustus which translates as "emperor" or maybe as "Emperor Emperor".

In later centuries the imperial title in Latin was Imperator Romanorum et semper Augustus which translates roughly as "Emperor of the Romans and always Emperor" though some people translate it as "Emperor of the Romans and always august", treating Augustus as an adjective instead of a noun.

So saying the monarch of the Holy Roman Empire used the title of "Holy Roman Emperor" is not exactly correct.

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I probably can't say this politely without offending you, but I find your responses to be indeed sir, quite boring.

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And during the 1880s Chihuahua (d. 1901)was a leader of the Chiricahua hostiles fighting General Crook, a fourth "C" Apache.

And when the Tontos surrendered to General Crook in 1873 their spokesman who made the surrender speech was named Chalipun.

So this makes 5 Apaches with "C" names who had more trouble with General Crook than Cochise did.

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