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The Charmed Ones were incredibly selfish


Season 7 ended with them taking up new identities with the promise to "prepare the next generation". In season 8 they meet a new witch called Billie and take her under their protection to teach her magic but all they really do is complain about having innocents to save instead of going shopping. Am I the only one who noticed how terrible their characters were? What they really did with Billie was to get her do the dirty work by herself so they could go for a spa treatment. It was incredibly frustrating to watch 3 supposed greatest witches of all time complain constantly about saving other people's lives. Where was the preparation of the new generation? Billie was the one hunting demons for them and doing other chores not related to magic.
I don't even like Billie but they really took advantage of her and when she took Christie's side they were already in vanquish mode because "she was ungrateful for the things they had taught her". Even the magical community was fed up with their antics but it was presented in a way as though the audience should feel sorry for the girls and empathize with them. Paige was bitching about finding her identity, Phoebe was obsessing with having babies and Piper wanted to clean up the house and watch Sex and the City or something. This went on for 22 episodes until the lousy finale. It makes me really sad because in the first seasons Piper and Phoebe were great characters. I don't get why the writers destroyed them like this and why they didn't notice how awful they were.

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The worst part about it is that the acknowledged this and decided to portray the sisters as heroes because of all the good they've done. They used the magical community and then got upset when they turned against them. This was the perfect chance for them to say 'wow, we've truly give down the wrong path.' But nope...I felt sorry for Christy moreso than the sisters

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Yes, the changed and they changed big time, but they are humans in the first place, then witches. Lots of people on this board expect that sisters should act like some saints. Of course it is important for them to be aware who they are and what they supposed to do with their powers, but after those 7 years they thought they could catch at least glimpse of "powerless" life. As always, they knew deeply down that they would be haunting demons and saving innocents in no time. Their souls and bodies don't consist only of virtues, they have flaws, they can act selfish and be completely fed up with battling evil, but at the end of the day, they always turn to their inner good side.
Yes, they acted self-absorbed when they wanted to change the world with help of the Avatars just in order to stop facing demons. But eventually they came to senses and realized they are destined to serve greater good and that saving innocents is what they actually fulfills them. And this scenario also goes for every single possession they got over and confronted.
They can't be the same in first and in last season. They were always under pressure because every single attack on them could end up with one or all of them dead which proved to be true in their family ( Patty, Prue ). And again, every single time they risked themselves and everything they have just in order for good to prevail.

You can't cheat Dheath, unless you're not Sidney, Gale and Dewey... :)

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They were supposed to be living a demon free life with their new identities and teach the new generation about magic. This was the setup for season 8. What did we get? A *beep* of complaining and a very confusing finale. The complaints weren't anything new though. It got repetitive because this pattern was constant throughout the series, they would always nag about saving someone and i say that as a huge fan of the show. I just got fed up with it in season 8.
Piper was already giving up by season 2 right after that aunt of theirs stole their powers. Piper was the queen of giving up ever since the show started. One little thing and poof, she was already throwing away her gift.
She couldn't attend a baby shower because of demons? Power out of the window just like that! Piper was the sister who always resented her witch duty and she was vocal about it. Very vocal. Repetitiously vocal and obsessive about it.
The most drastic change happened in Phoebe. She was the one who loved magic and wanted to help people. She wasn't flawless and she had more to her as the sister with the rebellious past. She had immense potential to evolve into a great character and have interesting plotlines. What did Brad Kern do? Turn her into a self centered person defined by men, always blowing off innocents because she had a date and talk incessantly about her world known, amazing, fantastic, life changing advice column of hers. Not to mention she sent Cole to hell even though she had a million opportunities to save him. Guess he doesn't count as someone worth to be saved!
The problem is they used magic. And they used it a lot even after they were presumably dead. They didn't use magic to save people, but for personal gain. They used magic for baby costumes, to create guys, to make guys fall in love with them and for any useless thing they could think about. Also i have noticed that the number of innocents they saved decreased drastically with each season.
I think Paige was the only one with some humanity in her, she had her she devil moments still but she did care more about others and i think in the end she continued fighting demons.
Season 8 was such an awful conclusion i'm still not over it. They could have given the series a much better ending.

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They got their new identities because whole situation with Zankou made them do that and that was the only way to escape and survive. And which generation they were supposed to teach about magic? Wyatt and Chris were toddlers at the time and they haven't met Billie yet. And when they got to know her, they actually thought her about witchcraft alongside with Leo.
Piper was always about normal life and that is her characteristic and some of us can find it dull and not-in-line-with-the-story but me and others accept that trait of hers like something very realistic. We can't expect that all of them just embrace their destiny without recollect how was their life before magic.
Phoebe changed and she was very aware of that. She embraced magic and lived to it but everything changed when she was in line to destroy potential love of her life. She even talks about this with Paige in the last episode of season 4 because Paige objected Phoebe's desire to give up on powers. Would you like to tell when actually Phoebe rejected to save innocent in order to pursue men/dates and column? And what do you mean about Cole? How could she save him exactly?
In the first episodes of season 8 they didn't used magic for themselves. THey used it to change Piper's look but that's about it. Piper didn't use magic to make Wyatt's pumpkin costume, she stayed whole night making it by herself. Paige and Phoebe made guy for Piper because they wanted for Piper to feel loved again and to reassure her that she again can fall in love. Of course, it got backfired, but their intentions weren't that sinister.
Innocents aren't just humans, they are also other magical beings and they saved them a lot throughout the series to the finale.
Yes, Paige and Prue, I may add, were the ones who always actually put their magical duties before everything. THey were dedicated, but that was the charm about their characters. No one expects all of them to act the same and always willing to do everything by the book.
Of course you feel the opposite way about this and it is really fine. Just I don't like when we only point out how self-centered sisters possibly became, but no one is pointing out how easy they actually battled their negative emotions and selfishness to protect innocents' lives.
What actually is making them truly good is how they never cross the line and run away with their darker side.


You can't cheat Dheath, unless you're not Sidney, Gale and Dewey... :)

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They don't???

I count them stealing Darryl's soul without his permission as crossing the line.

I count setting Rick Guttridge up to be killed as crossing the line.

I count them planning and executing the first-degree murder of the Jenkinses rather than freezing them and then binding their powers as crossing the line.

It's why I hate the latter seasons so much. They totally forget that the wrong thing done for the right reason is still the wrong thing - especially murder! I can't root for people who do that. By the end of Season 7, I was rooting for Zankou and was so upset when they beat him by cheating! And by the end of Season 8, I was infuriated that the Charmed Ones were being rewarded for murdering the Jenkinses.

For that matter, as soon as Phoebe lied to her sisters about vanquishing Cole - to me, that's when the same thing that happened in "Power Outage" with them losing their powers should've happened again and then never came back meaning they would no longer have the Power of Three (this is Season 3, so no Paige...) and never come back, coz for me *that* was when Phoebe crossed the line and put her sisters in danger - big time!

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I count them stealing Darryl's soul without his permission as crossing the line.


Yes, they rushed on that decision, but after all, once he realized what's going on, Darryl was fine with that. Phoebe and Paige knew he would actually eventually agree, but they wanted to save time.

I count setting Rick Guttridge up to be killed as crossing the line.


Yes, this may be considered as maybe the worst mistake letting Rick die despite being criminal, but at the given moment, they didn't have choice. Of course, they could let him live, but they were exposed because he was aware of Phoebe's powers. Then again, if Phoebe hadn't agreed to change his look, he would have shot her right in the spot with a shotgun which would leave her there dead immediately. For the record, I am not justifying her action, I may say that I even don't accept as the most valid, but somehow I understand it.

But what actually pushes me to take sisters' side is that show acknowledges fact that sisters reached their limits with Rick and any other mistake they had made earlier in Crimes and Witch-Demeanors where they, precisely and especially Phoebe was stripped of her non-basic powers as a result of punishment.

About Phoebe lying to Prue and Piper about vanquishing Cole. I didn't like her decision, but unfortunately for her, she was hopelessly and desperately in love with him and she just couldn't destroy him right there at the cemetery. She knew she couldn't and when I remember how difficult for her was to destroy Cole as The Source with her sisters, it only proves that her emotions got into her way a year earlier in S3. On the other side, Phoebe was the most intuitive one, and, although she couldn't be sure that Cole wouldn't come after them, she believed her instincts and at the end of the day she was right.

I count them planning and executing the first-degree murder of the Jenkinses rather than freezing them and then binding their powers as crossing the line.


Yeah, right, Piper could freeze any demon, they could take away his powers and send him to prison as normal human being.
To me, this statement really doesn't make any sense. They did what they had to do at the time. Christie was brainwashed and evil and sisters knew Billie and Christie would use the Hollow to destroy them because that would be the advantage of theirs Ultimate Power which would lead to sisters' demise. Sisters knew that by using Hollow they would have equal chance as Christie and Billie.
But after all, I really don't feel the need to discuss this point because Billie was alive at the end and Christie was vanquished by Billie.

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I wrote:

I count them stealing Darryl's soul without his permission as crossing the line.


You wrote:

Yes, they rushed on that decision, but after all, once he realized what's going on, Darryl was fine with that. Phoebe and Paige knew he would actually eventually agree, but they wanted to save time.


No, he wasn't, especially when they pretty much ignored him after it was all over and never even thanked him. It was the beginning of the end of their relationship with him - not that I blame him one bit - I would've left them long before that.

He kept saying *No!" and they should *not* have taken his soul until he agreed! They took his soul while he was still disagreeing! You do not disrespect someone else's life that way unless you are extremely selfish, which Piper and Paige were.

As for the other two, sorry, there's always another way of doing things.

The wrong thing done for the right reason is still the wrong thing! They were supposed to protect the innocent, not punish the guilty. Ends do *not* justify the means or they have indeed become what they fight - they were much more demonic than the demons, thinking they were God and could decide who should live or who should die.

This is all why I wish my favorite episode 'Morality Bites' wasn't part of Charmed. If Phoebe hadn't been burnt for using her power to kill a man, the same way Phoebe and Paige *could've* killed Darryl or Phoebe and Paige *did* set up Rick to be killed or that Phoebe, Piper and Paige (and I hate that Phoebe, of all people, is part of all of these) committed first-degree premeditated murder rather than Piper freezing them and then binding their powers, then I'd believe that in the Charmedverse ends *do* justify the means and those things wouldn't bother me so much.

But that episode *is* part of it and so, no, I can't see any justification for taking a mortal life unless they themselves are in mortal danger like in 'Apocalypse Now' - and at least in that one, they showed some sorrow. That's what I hated most about these three situations - they were actually proud of their choice to murder.

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Mentioning "Morality Bites', I have to include this. This is how I think Charmed should’ve ended - with *no one* ending up dead.

Another now-mostly-dead site had a game going on, called the Demon Hunt, and I was a member of Team Wyatt. (The other two teams were Team Chris and Team Melinda - Team Chris won.) One of our tasks was to write a series finale. But in order to not force anyone to read spoilers, we had to start with the latest episode, "The Jung and The Restless", and finish it from there. This was written before we saw any of the other episodes. This is my version of what our team came up with. Hope you like it!

DISCLAIMER: We own nothing Charmed. All characters in this fic are property of The WB, now the CW, and Aaron Spelling Productions. This fic totally ignores everything in "Gone with the Witches", "Kill Billie, Vol. II", and "Forever Charmed" and takes place right after "The Jung and the Restless".

Morality STILL Bites
by Team Wyatt


"So what did you guys see in your dreams?" Paige wanted to know. "Since I wasn't with you guys, I don't know."

Phoebe smiled. "Kids! Lots of kids running the Bay Mirror, and then one of them - oh, such a pretty little dark-haired girl! - telling me that if I wanted her, that I'd have to hurry, that she was running out of time."

Paige looked confused. "I thought you gave up on the idea of finding your daughter's father."

"I thought I had, too," Phoebe admitted. "After what happened with Dex... Now I'm not so sure."

"Did you see her father?" Paige wanted to know.

Phoebe blushed. "Yeah. Coop."

Coop?"

"Yeah, imagine that. Me falling for a cupid or a cupid falling for me."

"You don't want that," Piper warned. "You can't! Us getting together with magical guys isn't a good idea. Look at me and Leo. Me being a witch and him being a whitelighter didn't work, just like it didn't for Mom and Sam."

"Well, one part of it sure worked out," Paige pointed out, a bit miffed.

"Yeah, we're lucky that they had you," Piper admitted. "Just like Leo and I are lucky we had Wyatt and Chris so they could be half-whitelighter, too. But it still caused Mom's death. And both Leo and I agree we're better off if he's mortal, so we can have as close to a normal life as possible. That's why he clipped his wings. Just like you and Henry."

She turned to look at her other sister. "Phoebe, look what happened between you and Cole. You can't fall for someone magical. And you certainly can't be falling in love with someone now when we're getting ready to fight the Ultimate Evil."

Phoebe shrugged. "You know you can't decide when or who you fall for. It just happens. But I won't let it get in my way of the battle, Piper. I didn't in my dream. When you were in trouble, I left Coop to come help, even though he was disappointed."

"What did you dream, Piper?" Paige asked. trying to change the subject.

Piper smiled. "I saw Leo as an old man, with us surrounded by our grandchildren. They might have been our great-grandchildren. Lots of kids."

Paige smiled, too. "That sounds nice. I wish I'd seen Henry and me that way."

"You didn't?" Phoebe asked in surprise.

Paige shook her head. "No, I saw Henry in his office, but then I saw a dream version of myself saying that that wasn't where my destiny lies."

"Of course it does," Piper protested. "Just like mine lies with Leo and - I guess - Phoebe's lies with Coop."

Paige shook her head. "No, my dream me was right. I could hear Mikelle screaming. If I'd thought about my charge first rather than Henry, maybe I could have saved her."

Piper shrugged. "And if she hadn't died and become a whitelighter, she wouldn't have been able to save you. It worked out," and Phoebe nodded.

"Why did you see a dream version of you who told you what to do and we didn't?" Phoebe wanted to know.

Paige shrugged. "You're the psychology major, not me. You tell me."

"I'll tell you what it told me," cried Billie as she marched into the room. "It told me that my sister is right. Your powers are going to your head. Except for Paige, all you care about is yourself and your own personal lives. Paige was the only one concerned about others outside your own family. You just use your powers for yourself. So you must be stopped!"

"Billie, that's not true!" Phoebe protested. "You know it's not. You know us. You know that we only use our powers for good. We have since we got them."

"Oh, yeah?" Billie demanded. "When? You needed me to go save innocents for you, while you guys just went off on your merry way. You even faked your own deaths so you could get out of doing your duty. The only time you've helped an innocent since I've been here has been when you're forced or if someone's going after you. You just use your powers for your own personal gain. I heard about you using your powers to turn reporters - mortals!- into rats."

Piper laughed. "They deserved it."

"And wanting to use your powers to get Paige a wedding dress."

"She didn't," Paige pointed out.

"But she wanted to, which is just as bad. And using her powers to make Wyatt a costume just to make herself look like a better mother than the other ones. Christy's friends have been watching you and they're right. You guys are becoming too powerful. You're the Ultimate Evil and you must be stopped!"

"Us the Ultimate Evil?" Piper stared in shock. "Billie, Christy's so-called friends are demons. They're the ones who held her captive all of those years and they must've turned her into one, too."

"My sister is not a demon. You're the ones who are turning evil."

Piper glared and warned, "Billie, I would suggest you leave this house immediately. You've been our friend, almost a fourth sister, and I don't want to hurt you if I don't have to, but if you keep talking like this..."

"You'd what?" Billie shouted back. "You'd vanquish me? I'm not a demon. I'm not a warlock. I'm a witch! Just like you. Just like your sisters. Just like my sister! You've vanquished demons for so long that now you think you can decide who's good and who's evil and whoever you decide is evil, you can just vanquish. But that's not what our powers are supposed to be about."

She turned to Paige, pleading, "Paige, that's what you told me when I first met you. You said that they're supposed to be about helping people."

Now she turned to face all three of them. "You guys are the Ultimate Evil, the Baddest of the Big Bads because you should know better and you must be stopped and you will be stopped!" and with that she threw something to the ground and flamed out.

"Well, look who just flamed out," Piper screamed. "Witches don't flame out. Demons do. She's become a demon, just like her sister. They’re the ones who must be stopped!"

"Phoebe flamed out when she was Cole's queen," Paige pointed out quietly. "And she didn't have to use a potion to do it. Should we have vanquished her?"

"Phoebe's our sister!" Piper kept screaming. "Under the Seer's spell. Billie's not under any spell; she just believes her sister rather than us. This is totally different. I can't believe it. After we brought her into our home, befriended her, taught her all we knew, even let her use our Book of Shadows to find her sister, then helped her take care of her sister once we found her, how dare she accuse us of being the Ultimate Evil!"

Phoebe nodded. "You're right, Piper. I'm sorry it took me this long to figure it out, but you're right. The only way I'll get my daughter is if we vanquish both of them. We've gotta vanquish them before they vanquish us!"

Paige stared at both of them, unable to believe it. "Guys, we can't vanquish fellow witches. It's not allowed. On that point she's right. Doling out punishment like that is for the Elders to do, not us."

Piper turned to glare at her youngest sister. "The Elders are totally useless. Just like they've always been. Besides, Sandra's the one who told me that the Elders think we'd have to battle Billie and Christy in order to get Leo back. Vanquishing them is the only way to get Leo back and I will get Leo back. Nothing will stop me from getting him back!"

"Then, Mom, please don't kill."

At the sound of this so-familiar voice, the three sisters spun. There stood Chris Halliwell, looking exactly as he did when Paige had last seen him, lying, dying, on Piper and Leo's bed.

"Chris!" screamed Piper, running and hugging her son.

Paige stared at him in shock. "But you're dead. I saw you die."

"Unless he's our little Chris grown up," Phoebe guessed.

Chris shook his head. "No, I'm the same one. When I faded from here, I reappeared back in my own time. And because the poison happened here, not there, it no longer affected me there. But it was different. I was different. If things stay the same, your son won't grow up to be me, Mom. He kept killing people. I couldn't stop him from killing."

"What?" Piper screamed.

Chris nodded. "The Angel of Destiny appeared to me. She said that he wasn't the same man that I was when I left, but that I had a chance to change it, change Wyatt, who is even more evil than he was when the Titans were in charge. Mom, he's now the Source of all Evil and that version of Chris is his right-hand man – his version of Shax!"

"No!" Piper moaned. "What happened?"

"I asked the Angel of Destiny what had changed. She said that you and Aunt Phoebe crossed the line, punishing the guilty rather than saving the innocents, actually killing Aunt Paige when she tried to stop you. She said that thanks to that, Dad was never returned to you - whatever that means - and someone named Coop was taken away from Aunt Phoebe, so she was never allowed to have her daughter. That's when you two decided to get even and went on a rampage of terror. Thanks to you two, the witch trials were started and you two died on the pyre when I was ten, so that version of Wyatt and that version of me got even, continuing your reign of terror. That's why Wyatt found the Grimoire and became the Source, Mom - to be sure that he wouldn't be burned, too, since only the Charmed Ones can stop the Source. Please Mom, stop him from becoming the Source. The Angel will only let me stay for a short while, just long enough to warn you. I learned how to love my dad when I was here the last time, and Wyatt and I need him. Please don't kill him by killing fellow witches."

Paige was in shock, silent at the news of how she was apparently going to die. Phoebe didn't know what to do. Piper's eyes narrowed. “But...if you’re evil as well now, why do you want to change?” She suspiciously wondered if this was a ploy of the Jenkins sisters, trying to prevent the Charmed Ones from vanquishing them.

Chris looked pained “I’m not evil,” he protested. “No more than I was the last time I was here – but the Chris in the reality I returned to is - your son grownup.” He sighed impatiently, sounding more like the half-whitelighter the sisters remembered. “Look, I came back once to save Wyatt from becoming evil. Now I’ve returned to try to save you all from turning evil. And to save Wyatt and me from becoming evil, besides saving all of those witches who will be burnt at the stake thanks to you and Aunt Phoebe. Please, don’t kill them – there is another way. There must be," and with that Chris faded away.


For the longest of times, the Charmed Ones were unable to say a word, thinking about what Chris had told them.

Phoebe could feel herself back on that pyre, the flames burning her skin.

Paige was staring at the women she counted as her sisters, unable to believe that they would actually have killed her, but knowing that Chris was right and they were wrong and that even knowing what could happened, she’d she do anything in her power to stop them.

And Piper, well, Piper was in shock, unable to know what to think.

"He's right, Piper," Phoebe whispered. "The wrong thing done for the right reason is still the wrong thing."

Piper nodded. "Yeah, he is. Well, now we know what we have to do. Paige, started scrying for the Jenkinses, and then I have something else for you to do. Phoebe, start writing a spell. I'm going to make a potion."

Potion!" cried Paige. "Didn't you hear a word Chris said?"

Piper shook her head. "No, not to vanquish the Jenkinses - to save them. We're going to open up Christy's eyes, so she knows just how evil her so-called friends are. After all, we know how evil the Triad was, that they were working for the original Source. And by saving her, we'll show Billie that we're not evil. Then there will be no Ultimate Battle of Good vs Evil."

As Piper worked on the potion and Phoebe worked on the spell, Paige first verified that the Jenkinses were at Magic School, then began working on the second potion which was part of Piper’s plan.

Finally, they felt ready for the confrontation that they knew had to happen. Piper had used some hair from a brush that Christy and Billie had used to make the vision potion. Each sister knew exactly what they now needed to do.

“I hope this part of the plan works,” Piper fretted.

Phoebe had come up with a reworking of Brianna’s spell that Prue had used to fight Gabriel and his crystal sword. The sisters stood, holding hands, and recited the spell three times:

We call upon the Power of Three,
To help us fulfill our destiny,
Take our powers, blessed be,
Multiply their strength by three.


There was a clap of thunder and blinding, swirling lights, as the sisters fell to the floor. As they slowly came to again, the now three versions of each sister looked at each other.

“How do we tell which of us is the original?” one of the Phoebes asked. "Unlike the other time, we're still all dressed the same and my empathy says we all are the same."

One of the Paiges shrugged. “I guess it doesn’t matter as long as we stick to the plan.”

All three Pipers nodded. “Then let’s go.”

The nine divided into three sets of Charmed Ones. As one of the Phoebes picked up her potion bottle, she had a premonition.

“What did you see?” her group’s Piper asked.

“We’re too late,” cried that Phoebe. “They’re coming here. We don’t have time to go to Magic School.”

Another group’s Piper nodded. “Okay – change of location but the same plan.”


A few moments later Billie and Christy flamed into the attic to find themselves facing the Charmed Ones.

Piper stood, hands on hips. “You’re not welcome here. Get out!”

“I don’t think so,” Christy smirked. ‘This is gonna be our place soon. It’s time you left!' And with that, a huge fireball exploded out towards the Charmed Ones. Piper gestured and the fireball exploded.

Christy tried again, and this time Paige called for the fire and ricocheted it back towards them, but the Jenkinses stepped aside.

Billie looked to her sister. “We’ll do it together.”

Christy nodded. “And this time aim for the weakest.”

Together they turned and created a massive wall of flame that projected towards the Halliwells.

“Billie!” cried Phoebe. “Stop! You don’t want to do this. You don’t need to do this.”

“She’s lying,” Christy snapped. “You know they need to die!” and she directed the fiercest flame towards Phoebe, who was consumed by the flame, and disappeared. “And you’re next!”‘ she cried triumphantly, directing the flames towards Piper and Paige, who also disappeared.

Billie stopped projecting. She looked around suspiciously.

“Well, that was easy,” Christy smirked. “I expected more of a fight.”

“It must’ve been astral projections," Billie insisted, remembering hearing about how the Charmed Ones had defeated Zankou and the Shadow who lived below the Manor which sat at the nexus of the five elements. "You can’t vanquish them that easily.”

“Maybe you give them too much credit,” Christy laughed. “They’re the ones who should be blonde, not us.”

“Ya think?” Piper's voice behind them made them turn around.

“How…..” Christy began as she saw the Charmed Ones standing before them.

“Catch,” cried Paige as the sisters threw several bottles of potion at the Jenkins sisters and cast another spell:

Open their eyes and let them see
Just how evil the Triad can be.


Christy fireballed them and with Billie’s projected power, the Charmed Ones were again consumed by the fire.

“I feel strange,” moaned Christy.

“And why can I still hear chanting?” Billie asked.

The attic door flew open. Outside stood the original Charmed Ones. They watched as the Jenkins sisters fell to the floor. “Quick,” commanded Piper. “The crystal cage.”

They quickly placed the crystals around the prone bodies of the girls.

Phoebe nodded. “They should be in their vision now.”

“Will we know when it’s over?” Paige wondered. “Whether it worked?”

Piper shrugged. “If they try to kill us, it didn’t work.”


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Vision Christy observed her younger self as she was kidnapped from her loving family, saw the anguish in her younger sister’s and parents' faces. She saw that the Triad were the top servants of the Source of All Evil, the one who had conceived the plot to make her the key to unlocking Billie’s power while destroying the Charmed Ones by having them vanquish witches.

She felt the Charmed Ones' amazement at finding their powers, their joy at understanding their destiny, their triumph at destroying the Source, Gideon, the Avatars, Zankou, but also the pain of losing of Prue, of vanquishing Cole, of watching Chris die, of having Leo first turned into an Elder, then becoming an Avatar to save Piper’s life before being tortured by the Elders for trying to save the world from the Avatars, and felt the sisters‘ disgust with the Elders.

She finally realized how much of their lives was sacrificed for the cause of Good. She finally understood how insidiously evil the Source’s plan was and how she had been brainwashed by the Triad into following it.


Meanwhile Vision Billie saw the pain of the young Halliwell sisters at losing their mother, their grandmother, their big sister. She watched them gain their powers, find Paige, find love. She again experienced the loss of her own big sister - saw her kidnapped, tormented, corrupted into believing that her kidnappers were good and the Charmed Ones evil. She watched the Charmed Ones as they passed the years, vanquishing evil, putting their own lives on hold as they battled on, protecting and saving the innocent and the good. Finally, she realized that she held an ultimate power that could – and potentially had been – corrupted by the Source’s evil plan.


With a start both girls woke up.

“Ah, you’re with us again,” Piper smiled. “How do you feel?”

Christy roared. “How dare you trap us!” and the crystal cage sparked as she tried to escape.

“I don’t think it helped.”

Phoebe nodded back at Paige. "I think you're right."

Billie shook her head, as if to rid it from the remnants of the more unpleasant parts of the vision. ‘”What happened?" she demanded. "What did you do to us?”

“They drugged us and cast a spell over us,” Christy snarled, still confused over her vision

Phoebe shook her head. “No, we didn’t. We simply let you see the truth for yourselves. We admit, that, yes, we may get a bit tired and lazy sometimes with the protecting the innocent and working for good.”

“But you see, we have to try to have normal lives.” Piper tried to explain. “If we keep ourselves separate from everyday life and just hide away, living like hermits, working for Good, we’ll lose touch with the very people we’re meant to protect. So we have to keep aiming for living normal lives, with everyday issues, like everyone else.”

“We did try to turn our backs on magic,” Paige admitted. “But we couldn’t do it. It felt wrong and we weren’t happy. It’s why we came back. We learned that we can’t stop our destiny. It’s as much a part of our lives as breathing.”

Billie looked at them. truth finally dawning on her. “I understand,” she admitted. “It was an evil plan, to use our powers to try to make you do evil. I’m sorry.” She turned to Christy. “Do you understand? They’re not evil. We’ve been manipulated into doing evil ourselves.”

Christy scowled. ‘How can we trust anything now? How do we know who has manipulated us? Is it them or the Triad?”

“The proof is in the pudding,” Piper pointed out. “Look who killed your parents.”

Christy felt the memories and the vision details crowd her mind. But one thing stood out. The deliberate murder of her parents. Piper was right. The Triad had done that, so she wouldn’t become good. In her heart she knew who was the greater evil. She felt Billie beside her, holding her up and realized that she’d partially collapsed back onto the floor.

Billie turned to the sisters. “You have to stop us, stop the plan that the Source started.”

Piper nodded. “We will - right now.”

Christy nodded, “Yes, you must,” and she put her arms around Billie and hugged her close. She saw the sisters raise their hands. She heard them begin chanting and closed her eyes, scared to see her final moments on earth. She felt Billie tighten her arms around her as she too prepared for the end.

There was a flash as another set of potion bottles breached the crystal cage and then both sisters felt searing, burning pain.

Billie looked up. She saw the sisters standing over them. She felt Christy move and look up.”Um…are we…” she hesitated. “Can you see us?”

Paige smiled. “Of course we can.”

“Aren’t we dead?” Billie blurted, bewildered.

“We should be,” Christy said, puzzled. “We’ve been vanquished.”

“Of course you’re not dead.” laughed Paige.

“You know,” Piper pointed out with a knowing look, “if we killed mortals, that's illegal.”

“We never intended to kill you,” smiled Phoebe. “Just make you safe.”

“Safe?” Both Billie and Christy looked totally baffled.

Paige nodded. “Safe from the Triad and others who might try to use your powers for evil. We used a power-stripping spell, with some extra stuff thrown in."

“We’ve got lots of experience with that sort of stuff,” Phoebe added.

Piper nodded. “So now we can’t fight; there’s no evil master plan that can be completed; you two are safe from the Triad and so are we, and we’re all happy and can get on with our lives.”

‘You’re letting us go?’ asked Christy, astounded.

Paige shrugged. “Well, why shouldn’t we? Just because we work on the side of Good, and we need to protect the world and innocents and stuff, doesn’t mean to say that we need to follow all the ‘pre-ordained destiny plans’.”

“And besides,” Piper added. “all the useless Elders said is we had to battle you, not that we actually had to vanquish you.”

Paige moved a crystal, letting let them out the cage.

“Go on,” Phoebe suggested. “Try your power.”

Billie screwed up her face in concentration. Nothing happened. A smile crossed her face. ‘So – really? We just lose our powers, don’t carry out the evil plan and things will be fine?”

“Well,” Paige admitted, “it might take a while to get used to not having powers, but you have all your other skills, a normal life to lead and a sister to get to know,” and she smiled at her own sisters.

“And you showed us that we need to make more time for our other work,” Phoebe added. “Our destiny working to protect innocents.”

Piper nodded. "We will. Thanks to the time you gave us to recharge, we’re back, we’re really back. We’ll find a way to have our lives and help innocents, too. I’m not sure how, but we will. Thanks for that.”

Both sets of sisters hugged each other and then the Jenkinses finally left. Two Halliwells and one Matthews went into the living room and flopped down, exhausted but happy.

Piper smiled. "Man, that felt good. I'd forgotten how good helping people felt."

Phoebe nodded. "It most definitely did. We should really start doing that more," and Paige smiled happily, knowing that her sisters had finally learned their lessons.

Piper also nodded. "We will. Even if we don't get Leo back, that's what we're going to do - start using our powers to help people, the way they're supposed to be used."

At that exact moment, the Angel of Destiny appeared. "Congratulations, all of you! That is the lesson you were meant to learn, the lesson that will prevent that world that Christopher saw from happening. He's gone back to a much better world. And to be sure that you'll remember that lesson and his world won't change again..." and Leo appeared, as the Angel disappeared.

Piper ran to Leo and hugged him tightly while Leo hugged her back, "I love you," she whispered. "So very much. And, guess what. We're going to start using our powers to find and save innocents again. And we're going to find those ex-bosses of yours and talk them into giving your wings back. We could help innocents the most when you had those wings," and Leo's face lit up in a smile.

Even as Piper spoke, Sandra the Elder orbed in. "No need to do that, Piper," she told her. "We've watched what happened and are very pleased to have the Charmed Ones back on track." She waved her hand at Leo and a bright glow shone from his body, as for just a second, they could see his wings fluttering behind him. "Welcome back, Leo!"

Then Sandra turned to smile at Piper. "And you'll never have to worry about him becoming an Elder - we now know that being whitelighter to the Charmed Ones and their families is Leo's highest destiny - his only destiny," and even as Piper and Leo tried to thank her, she orbed out.

"Thank you," Leo whispered to Piper. "Thank you for giving me back my wings, my life. I love you so much," and taking her mouth in a deep kiss, he led her out of the living room and towards the stairs and their room.

Phoebe and Paige smiled as they watched their sister and her husband leave, then Paige turned to Phoebe. "I've gotta get back to Henry. I've got a little something to tell him," and as Phoebe's eyes widened in surprise, Paige orbed out.

Even as Phoebe began thinking about heading back for her loft, Coop showed up. "So, are you ready for love?" he asked.

She nodded. While watching Piper and Leo, she'd been thinking about it, and putting it all together. "Yes, I am. I know who my soul mate is, the one who knows me better than anyone else, someone who loves me for who I am despite my faults and who I will always love with all my heart." Coop smiled in delight. Then she shook her head. "I'm sorry. His name's not Coop."

His face dropped. "It's not?"

"No. It took me a while to put it together. We were kinda busy. But I've got it now. There are a lot of cupids - why would your name just be Coop, short for Cupid? That's not your real name, is it?"

"No," he admitted. "It's not."

"Why are you really here?"

Coop shrugged and very seriously told her. "For the exact reason that I told you. To help you find love. The Elders made me a cupid, saying that if I could help you find love, so you'd stop thinking about just yourself, then I'd be free."

"Well, then you should be free, because I've found it - Cole! You're the one I've always loved. I always have and always will. Now I know that although all those guys I've had since you left satisfied my body, you're the only one who has ever satisfied my soul.”

And with that, Coop turned back into Cole Turner. Phoebe's face broke into a huge, beautiful smile. Cole hugged her tight as he began waltzing her around the room, dancing to music only they could hear. Phoebe threw back her head and laughed, joyful, free.

As Phoebe and Cole continued spinning around the room, they were so wrapped up in each other that they didn’t hear the sounds of materialization. Nor did they see two ghosts appear on the stairs, watching, smiling in approval.

Then there was more materialization and the ghosts of Penelope and Patricia Halliwell smiled as the ghost of Prudence Halliwell appeared between them. She smiled back at her mother and grandmother. Then all three turned to smile at Phoebe and Cole, watching them as the pair whirled around the room, their faces alight with love.

~~~


Meanwhile, Paige was walking arm-in-arm with Henry in beautiful Golden Gate Park. She turned to look at him. "Guess what?"

"What?"

"In a few months, you’re going to be a daddy! And I think it's going to be a girl - the first girl of the next generation of Warrens!"

Paige!" and with that he kissed her passionately, while she kissed him back just as passionately. Up on the Bridge, three ghosts watched and smiled.

~~~

Later, Piper and Leo went over to Victor’s to retrieve their sons. Victor was both shocked and thrilled to find out that Leo was back, and was actually happy to find out that Leo had his wings back, knowing that once more Leo would be able to help protect Victor’s daughters and grandsons. Then while Piper told Victor all about “the ultimate battle that never was”, Leo had to hurry into the next room.

Looking up, expecting their grandfather, both Wyatt and Chris screamed in delight to see their father. Wyatt ran and jumped and threw his arms around his dad's neck, hugging him while Leo carried him to the playpen, where he picked up Chris, who hugged his daddy as tightly as he could, while Leo returned the hugs, tears in his eyes. When Victor and Piper came to the door, this was the beautiful sight that greeted them. Piper hurried over to hug her family, then after waving to Victor, Leo happily orbed them all home.

Later, Piper and Leo were sitting on the couch in the living room, watching their sons, who were sitting on the floor playing with some toys. Leo had his arm around his wife, his hand playing with her hair, a happy, content smile on his face. Not too far behind them, three ghosts watched and smiled.

Suddenly Wyatt used his powers to orb Chris' teddy-bear into his own arms. Chris began to cry.

Piper reached over and slapped Wyatt's hand. "Wyatt, no! You do not use your powers to help yourself out. You use them to help others," and Leo nodded.

Little Wyatt's lower lip jutted out as he looked at his sore hand. But then it went back in as he grew thoughtful for a few seconds. Smiling at his parents, he orbed the teddy-bear back to Chris. Chris hugged his teddy-bear and thanked his brother.

"That's my boys," Leo praised and Wyatt's face broke into a huge, sunny smile. Piper and Leo turned the same smile on each other, knowing that they now knew how ensure that their older son would not turn evil - that it wasn't a demon who had turned their son evil, but Piper, with the way she raised him after Leo was frozen.

Suddenly little Chris looked up and smiled just as broadly. Waving his little arm, little Chris showed off his own powers for the very first time by TKing his teddy-bear towards the ghosts. Of course, it went right through them, but all three ghosts smiled back at him.

The ghost of Prue knelt down and motioned to her nephew. Chris stood up and began toddling towards the ghosts. Piper, thinking that he was going after his teddy-bear, motioned to Wyatt to go get his brother. While Wyatt went after Chris, Piper and Leo sneaked in a few deep, passionate kisses, totally missing their sons waving at three ghosts, who waved back.

~~~

Not too long afterwards, the sun began to set over San Francisco, making the Halliwell Manor seem to turn gold. The front door was open, and in its doorway stood the ghosts of three generations of Halliwells. The ghost of Prue, standing in the middle, turned her head to look questioningly, first at the ghost of her grandmother and then at the ghost of her mother. They nodded, large smiles on their faces.

Grinning, the ghost of Prue Halliwell waved her hand.

The front door closed.

THE END

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That was all Piper and Phoebe from episode 1. Paige just tagged along and wasn't ever really into any of it. Especially the part of using Billie that way and ignoring innocents which was cruel. As for not wanting to be the charmed ones Piper was reluctant at first giving up her identity but Phoebe convinced her then they all had a change of heart later in the season and resumed their identities but by that time piper had had enough and didn't take being a witch again very well. She eventually ended up passing her negative energy on everyone. Her "I don't want to do this anymore" attitude on her sisters. But I sort of don't blame her that much, what do you expect would happen? Destiny took Leo from her and used him as leverage and essentially brought the worst out of her.

I think Piper was sort of scared of the Angel Of Destiny because if it were any other elder or avatar she would have fought them tooth and nail. Guess she didn't want her destiny messed with.


Piper (On the Phone): Hello....What! Wait, wait, What!!....... Leo we are not supposed to have family emergencies anymore we are done with that....... Alright fine I'm coming but you need to come down here and find a way to save our financial butts.



(She follows Phoebe. Paige follows as well. They go down the stairs.)

Phoebe: Come on, we have seven years of lost time to make up for. We have to start somewhere!
Piper: Yeah, I know but... .
Phoebe: No buts, we are free. Do you have any idea what that means? It means no more demons, no more cops. We can do whatever we want!

(The sisters stop walking in the hallway.)

Piper: I know, I know, but still... .
Phoebe: (to Paige) Would you please talk some sense into this woman?

(Paige pulls a weird face.)

Paige: You know what occurred to me? That real-estate agent your dad was talking about, if you think about it, he may be a d... .
Phoebe: Oh my God! If you say the D word, I might implode. Come on you guys, what's wrong? I mean, isn't this what we wanted?
Piper: Yes, it's just it's not as simple as I had hoped, that's all.
Phoebe: You know why? Because you haven't been out yet. And you will feel so much better in a new pair of shoes.


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Season 8 was a total misstep. Everything you stated was used to make the sisters appear selfish. Christy just manipulated the minor selfish things that they had done into a massive event that would lead to them misusing magic.
They shouldn't have gone down that route. Billie and Christy rivaled the power of three. This shouldn't have been possible. The Halliwell sisters as the Charmed Ones were the pinnacle of good magic. Yet these two sister were able to stroll in and accommoplished what no Demon has ever done - destroyed the power of three and negated the possibility of reconstitution, at least before Piper used time travel.

Season 7 ended on a high note. The sisters could finally live normal lives. Free from magic. Then season 8 ruined their get out of jail free card. IMO they should have used season 8 as a way to truely end their destiny. After having assumed the new identitys in SWTWG, they would learn that ending their destiny isn't as simple as that and their disappearance would ultimately lead to a vacuum where evil is able to take power (without the power of three to vanquish those demons who were to powerful to vanquish by other powerful witches, they would grow in power) realising that if they truely want normal lives they must let go of something else, and would have the sisters make the choice of casting a powerful and final spell where the power of three would be passed onto the three most powerful witches in the world. Allowing them to have normal lives, but also to keep the power of three alive and able to continually survive with a slayers line type deal. This ending would have ended the Halliwell sisters story, but left the door open to countless possibilities in the future.

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I love your ideas, but not your ending. Charmed gets too many comparisons to Buffy as is, and Charmed seems to always end up on the short end. Why give Buffy-fans ammunition?

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I guess I always imagined that power of three evolving in some way. When their tenure as Charmed Ones comes to an inevitable end. There will be a power vacuum.

The power of three has so much potential beyond the limitations of being tethered to the sisters. Several demons or witches have used the power of three. Suggesting that it can evolve beyond the Halliwell sisters.

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Sorry, I can't agree. Then it would no longer be "Charmed", even if it was their kids because it means that Melinda Warren's prophecy was wrong and the Charmed Ones *aren't* the most powerful witches ever known. Instead she would've seen their kids and whatever they turned into.

Although, wait a minute. I forgot. You're not talking about "Charmed" (S1-3); you're talking about "Whitelighter" (S4-8), the spin-off, where Wyatt's prophecy is more important than Melinda Warren's and having a whitelighter for a father is more important than having a Warren for a mother because women are useless without a man and children.

In that case, I agree totally. What you're talking about is what "Whitelighter" would've developed into.

I just wouldn't watch it, the way I haven't watched "Whitelighter" since 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed' was first aired, while I watch "Charmed" a lot.

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