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Who was the biggest threat?


Who do you think was the sisters biggest threat? A lot of people say the source because he was the source of all evil. But he seemed fairly easy to Vanquish. And he didn't put them through too much. Barbas was more talk than anyyhing. I either think it was Zankou or Billie and Christi

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Cole haha. I mean they had to kill him in an alternate reality! But yeah Zankou or Billie and Christy. But The Source was the best one

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Cole was literally invincible (for whatever reason). He needed to *beep* up his own immortality in order to be killed. Then again, he wasn't intending on destroying the sisters for the most part. I suppose in that department, it'd be Zankou.


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Yeah, the only reason I didn't mention cole is because most of the time he was crazy or trying to get phoebe back.

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I actually think the biggest threat was Litvack who could read their thoughts and use them against them. Had Prue and Bane not had that connection and trust, the sisters would've been dead with no problem.

The Source had power but was pretty stupid. He didn't use his ability to possess people as well as he could've - imagine if he had possessed Cole or Leo the way he possessed Shane - and rather than trying to influence Paige into becoming evil, he simply should've gotten rid of he. I found him pretty much just a big yawn as a Big Bad.

Zankou was smart and the only way that he could be vanquished was by cheating - no way the sisters should've been able to be taught how to cast spells in their astral forms.

I wouldn't put Billie and Christy in that category since again they were pretty stupid in not knowing how to properly put Billie's power to proper use to get rid of the Charmed Ones - no real need to take in the Hollow when she could've manipulated reality to kill them.

So, yeah, I found Litvack and Zankou the biggest threats.

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Zankou was smart and the only way that he could be vanquished was by cheating - no way the sisters should've been able to be taught how to cast spells in their astral forms.


Agreed. This is why I put Zankou as the strongest. Zankou being in Charmed 7 struck me as a very "Dorothy in the Land of Oz." He fit into the world but...not really. I say this because he wielded a power we had not seen a demon wield since the early Seasons. A power even GREATER than the Power of Three itself. A power that would surely lead him to victory against ANY foe in the later seasons!!! Zankou....was smart.

Yes, cower in FEAR as the great Zankou does the impossible!! This demon dares NOT simply shimmer around in leather with no intent beyond "Imma kill 'em!!" Hold tight your loved ones as we see this HEINOUS being go so far as to utilize the ancient black arts long forgotten. Flee as Zankou uses the forbidden magics known as "planning" and "common sense" to subdue the most powerful witches on Earth...

That said, I feel like Zankou was a punchline to the Parody Seasons of Charmed. After all the mermaids, wood nymphs, leprechauns, "Titans," ect, our expectations were pretty low on what it meant to be a magical being. Heck, being demon meant nothing more than having porn star level acting and an a ability to growl. Then, we meet Zankou, a demon who even the Source was afraid of....because he used his brain on occasion. He was something to be taken seriously in the Charmed world. But, by then, NOTHING was to be taken seriously!! We had a discount Hogwarts, for cryin' out loud. The sisters were "super heroes." Pitting the Charmed Ones against a real threat seemed almost cruel, in retrospect.

I feel like Zankou was a threat more suited for Prue, Piper and Phoebe. OR heck, even Season 4 Piper, Phoebe, and Paige. But, the sisters of Season 7? No...these girls are too concerned with themselves to stop Zankou. I could FEEL Prue rolling her eyes as she looked down from Heaven. Not just at how her little sisters were thwarted by Zankou but also tricked by the OBVIOUSLY SKETCHY AVATARS!!!

And, in the end, Zankou is defeated by the only power greater than intellect. A power we never thought possible but began to grow and grow the day after the Source was defeated. A power that twists and pulls at the very universe, leaving even onlookers to their doom!! Zankou...was defeated by a flimsy, half-@$$ed plot.

I totally agree with you, JustEs. The Charmed Ones basically cheated in order to defeat him. There was no logical reason for how they stopped Zankou other than "well, we gotta end this thing somehow!!" The girls just whipped quick-fix solutions out of no where. We never see the sister PLAN but rather come up with methods out of thin air. Which was a staple by then.

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Cole could be controlled so I didn't see him as a threat. All they needed to do was be nice to him, accept him as a friend and part of the family. Yes he wanted Phoebe but he could have settled for being friends and their allie if phoebe and her sisters treated him a little better. They drove him mad

Zankou was their biggest threat but I also put the demon with no name i nthe same category. The one phoebe killed with evil baby powers in her tummy. The one that was a human portal. Without the powers phoebe had there wasn't a spell in existence to kill him

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I believe most fans call him the Tall Man and a lot of fans agree that he was the biggest threat:

[Scene: The underworld. The Source's dungeon. The Seer walks over to a tall man sitting in a cage.]

Seer: I have an offer for you.

Tall Man: Nobody comes down the Source's dungeon unless they are dead, damned or desperate. Which are you?

Seer: Desperate. I need your power.

Tall Man: I have a power? Yes, I almost forgot. I haven't used it in centuries. I've been sentenced to spend eternity alone in this cage.

Seer: It's a fine cage.

Tall Man: The Source had it forged from unbreakable magic. Nothing can escape it.

Seer: Yes, I know. It was some of my best work. That's right, I built your prison and my magic alone has the power to free you.

Tall Man: The Source would never allow it.

Seer: The Source is dead. I can give you freedom and a chance to earn favour with the new Source in exchange for your help.

Tall Man: What kind of help?

Seer: I need you to do what every demon before you has failed to do, even me. Capture and contain a Charmed One.

Tall Man: A Charmed what?

Seer: A powerful witch. I need you to bring her down to the underworld, it is the only way that my magic can work. That shouldn't be hard for you, a demon who has swallowed worlds. Interested?

(The tall man stands up.)

Tall Man: Get me out.

Seer: Remember, my magic put you in this cage. Betray me and you'll go right back.


(They hear the front door open.)

Leo: Piper? (Piper and Paige race into the foyer. Phoebe is still holding her stomach.) She's getting worse.

Piper: Can't you do something?

Leo: I tried to heal her, I can't.

Phoebe: Stand back, stand back.

(Flames shoot out the top of her head. She groans and falls to her knees.)

Piper: (to Paige) Alright, you stay out of her sight for your own safety, go.

(Paige runs around the corner.)

Phoebe: Oh, make it stop, make it stop.

Piper: Leo, go get some ice water or something. (Leo goes into the kitchen. Piper holds Phoebe.) It's okay, just try to breathe through it. Breathe, breathe.

(The tall man appears.)

Paige: Piper, look out!

(Piper tries to blow him up but nothing happens.)

Piper: Uh-oh.

(Leo runs back in.)

Leo: Hey!

(He grabs a chair and throws it at the demon. He sucks the whole chair inside of him, kind of like a portal.)

Piper: Get up, get up, come on.

(She helps Phoebe up.)

Leo: Whatever you do don't touch him.

Tall Man: You can't run from me, I'll always find you.

(Paige runs in.)

Paige: Phoebe, I'll orb you out of here.

(Phoebe kicks Paige and she falls into the tall man. They disappear.)

Phoebe: That wasn't me, it was the baby, I couldn't control him.


[Cut to the manor. Attic. Phoebe gets a premonition of the Seer killing Paige.]

Phoebe: I saw the Seer, she was killing Paige.

Leo: How can you get a premonition without touching anything?

Phoebe: I don't know, maybe the Seer sent it to me.

(The tall man appears.)

Piper: That is not all she sent.

Tall Man: Come with me now or your sister dies. You've already seen how.

Piper: No, Phoebe, don't.

Leo: It's a trap.

Phoebe: It doesn't matter, I have to save Paige, it's the only chance left.

Leo: No. (Phoebe pushes Leo out of the way. Piper gasps.) You're letting your baby control you, Phoebe.

Phoebe: That wasn't the baby, that was me. I got Paige into this mess, I'm gonna get her out of it.

(Piper pulls the Seer vanquishing potion out of her pocket.)

Piper: Oh, no you're not. Not if I kill the Seer first. (She heads towards the tall man and a beam of blue light shines out of Phoebe's hands. It hits the tall man and Piper, knocking them to the ground. The potion bottle breaks and Piper cuts her hand.) Damn it! Did that come from you?

Phoebe: I'm sorry, Piper, I can't let you take the fall for me.

Piper: Well, why not?

Leo: You can't use the baby's powers like that.

(The tall man gets up.)

Tall Man: Come here, witch.

(The blue light comes out of Phoebe's hand again and starts to vanquish the tall man.)

Piper: Phoebe, don't! (The tall man is vanquished.) Phoebe, nobody has ever been able to vanquish that demon. Do you realise what you just did?

(Phoebe's eyes turn black.)

Leo: Stay away, that's not Phoebe anymore.

(Phoebe flames out.)


Source: http://charmedscripts.tv/womb_raider.htm

The Tall Man was powerful, but I find him stupid and in the Source's or Billie & Christy's category. I'd still put Litvack and Zankou on top of my list.

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Zankou for sure

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