Please bring this show back. - Batman Beyond (1999) Discussion

[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

I wouldn't mind another Batman Beyond series that picks up right where the original left off. Although I do want some changes. This time allow Terry to grow old. It was like he wasn't aging at all during the show. They can't keep him in high school forever. Another is to do more with the Maxine character. She was criminally underused in the series. The character had great potential. She was smart and sassy. They also could have involved her more in Batmans missions. Even Batman had Alfred. The last thing I want is for the series to focus more on Terry's life.

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[–] uriel_zuno 12 years ago

Agreed max actually resembles the hero onyx a bit if you know you batman history at all. And the one thing I would like less of is to tone is down on the futersticness just a lil the flying cars and all it was just a lil too much other then that show was amazing.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

She does kind of look like Onyx. But she reminded me more of Oracle. Because of her expertise with computers and her being super smart. Thats the relationship I want her and Terry to have. If they ever bring this show back. I would like Max to be Oracle Beyond.

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[–] uriel_zuno 12 years ago

Lol oracle beyond thats funny but I feel like bruce was more of the oracle he was really inside the head of batman the entier show.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

I know but Bruce is old. And he isn't gonna be around forever. I'm surprised the show never brought that point up. If Bruce dies, whose gonna help Terry in the future? The obvious answer would have been Max.

Had the show continued I would have liked Bruce to start trusting Max and train her like he had been doing with Terry.

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[–] uriel_zuno 12 years ago

Good point then again it is bruce he dosent trust anybody. Its surprising he trust Terry so much

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

He does trust people, he trusted Alfred and the others. His problem is he's afraid to lose some one. Thats why he didn't want Barbara or Robin to work with him after Return of the Joker. Thats why he didn't want Max around.

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[–] uriel_zuno 12 years ago

That is a good point but it can also be argued that he Dosent trust people because in justice league he is always carrying around kryptonite. Because he dosent trust superman

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[–] TheMagiciansWorkshop 12 years ago

Batman Beyond had a good run. I don't see the need to bring it back. If they're going to invest in another Batman animated series then do a regular one again. Not a future one.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

They already did two regular ones after Batman TAS. Are you forgetting "The Batman" and "Batman The Brave and The Bold" and don't forget about Justice League which featured Batman. Also they are doing another regular one "Beware the Batman".

Its fine doing a regular one. But Batman Beyond was good as well and it had an interesting premise. I felt the show ended too soon. They were still much of Terry's story to tell.

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[–] jronniboi2 12 years ago

I agree. It should lead up to and show us Terry in his prime like how we saw him in that episode of the Justice League. That was awesome

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[–] www-afzala1 12 years ago

I had a thought that maybe the returning series could be named "Dark Knight Beyond", the setting should take place after where I last seen Terry (in JLA) which makes him 26-28 since it takes place after 10 years (Terry was only 16 in the first season. Maybe they should introduce villains like Deathstroke, hush or even return Blight(since he was such a cool villain despite having a short appearance in the series). Also I want Bruce Wayne to return to contribute in the series as well as Max as the hacker to help Terry and maybe return Ninghtwing as well since he's still alive. Also Terry should tell the truth about being batman to Dana(his future wife). Also Will Friedle should reprise voicing Terry, if not then my second choice would be Mike Erwin to voice him along with Kevin Conroy reprising as Bruce. also the animation should be more anime-influenced (e.g. Teen Titans) and the opening should be a remix of the Batman beyond theme but a bit longer.

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[–] jronniboi2 12 years ago

I like that idea, I also thought it would be cool if they asked the creators of Teen Titans if they could use Red X as one of his main enemies. Like an older Red X, I think that would be cool cause he's an awesome antihero in my opinion and I'd like to see more of him.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

Not to sound morbid or anything. But I kind of want to see the show deal with Bruce dying. I mean how long are they gonna keep him alive the poor guy. Plus it will finally signal the true passing of the mantel to Terry. Terry having to face the world without Bruce would be interesting.

And I want Max to be the new Oracle and Matt to be the new Robin.

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[–] PreachCaleb 12 years ago

Terry knows what happened to Tim Drake. I don't think he'd want to put Matt in that position.

But it would be interesting to see how Terry would deal with Bruce's death.

Straightedge means I'm better than you.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

Terry knows what happened to Tim Drake. I don't think he'd want to put Matt in that position.

Terry would also know about Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon.

Terry would learn from Bruce's mistakes. Bruce allowed Tim to be Robin at such a young age. Bruce also allowed him to patrol the streets as Robin on his own. Which is how he was kidnap by the Joker in the first place.

Dick and Barbara were never in that position. Since they were both highly trained and didn't start fighting alongside Bruce until they were already in college.

Plus its ultimately Matt's decision. Since he is also Bruce's son. He will start becoming more like his brother and father as he grows whether he likes it or not. So I think its pretty certain that he will go down the same path Terry did.

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[–] PreachCaleb 12 years ago

Yes. Terry knows Dick and Barbara were ostracized from Bruce for decades.

Actually, Dick was a young Robin too. We see in Robin's Reckoning. But Timm and co. didn't want to deal with a young Robin so they picked up the story with him being in college.

Terry won't allow it. I doubt he'd tell Max about him being Batman or Bruce being their father.

Plus, Terry's part of the Justice League. Batman doesn't need another hero sidekick. There's plenty of other heroes to call for back up.

There's nothing that guarantees Matt will be like Bruce. Or even Terry. I'm nothing like my brothers or my bad. Nothing is for certain when it comes to human behavior.

Straightedge means I'm better than you.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

Actually, Dick was a young Robin too. We see in Robin's Reckoning. But Timm and co. didn't want to deal with a young Robin so they picked up the story with him being in college.

Robin's Reckoning was his origin story. It didn't show him at all being Robin at a young age. It just showed how he met Batman.

Actually Bruce Timm wanted Dick to be older. Since it didn't make any sense at all that Batman would allow a ten year old to fight crime with him. He said this many times in interviews and dvd commentaries.

He made Tim Drake younger to make him different from Dick Grayson. Plus Bruce Timm also planned from the start that something bad was going to happen to Tim Drake. Similar to Jason Todd in the comics. To show the repercussions of Batman having a partner.

Terry won't allow it. I doubt he'd tell Max about him being Batman or Bruce being their father.

Max is his friend. Matt is his brother.

And whether Terry tells Matt or not. Matt will eventually find out one way or another. No way Terry can keep that big a secret for that long. Especially not someone he is close to.

Plus, Terry's part of the Justice League. Batman doesn't need another hero sidekick. There's plenty of other heroes to call for back up.

That makes no sense. Batman was with the original Justice League as well. That didn't stop him from partnering up with Robin or Batgirl.

And you do know that most members of the Justice League are from different cities and have their own problems to deal with right? Its not like they could just drop everything and appear at a moments notice. Which is why Batman always partners up with superheroes who already live in Gotham like Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, etc in the comics and tv shows.

There's nothing that guarantees Matt will be like Bruce. Or even Terry. I'm nothing like my brothers or my bad. Nothing is for certain when it comes to human behavior.

There was no guarantee that Terry would end up like Bruce and he did anyway. Plus like Bruce and Terry. Matt also lost his dad at a young age. So he has already suffered the same trauma as they did.

Plus I doubt that Bruce Timm would create Matt and not have anything planned for him. Too bad the show was canceled before we found out what that was.

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[–] PreachCaleb 12 years ago

Bruce didn't want to use a kid Robin. That doesn't mean he wasn't Robin as a young kid. We just picked up the story a few years later to skip all that.

Why not? He's 17. It won't be too long before he moves out. Then it'll be easier to keep it a secret. And he's got Max to cover for him.

Yes, his brother's Matt. Little mistake.

Batman had his kid sidekicks before there was ever a League. That's the difference. Terry won't have to worry about that because the League already exists.

Not all the Leaguers have their own cities and problems. Plus, we've seen they have shift schedules. So there are always members on reserve.

It's not like they drop everything and appear at a moments notice? We saw several times in JLU that, yes, they do drop everything and are teleported. Ironically, Batman was the only one who wouldn't.

He may have ended up as Batman, but he didn't end up exactly like Bruce. Besides, the fact that he did is sheer dumb luck. And as you stated in your other post, sheer dumb luck is enough to dismiss something.

And Terry will make sure Max doesn't end up like him or Bruce. Unlike Bruce, Max has coped with his dad's death. No fighting at school. No discipline problems at home. Both signs of a traumatized child. Having an older brother and a mother has helped him deal.

Straightedge means I'm better than you.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

Bruce didn't want to use a kid Robin. That doesn't mean he wasn't Robin as a young kid. We just picked up the story a few years later to skip all that.

Where is your proof of this? Bruce Timm stated many times that Dick Grayson went through training and school before he became Robin. He never once showed or said that Dick was partnering with Batman when he was a kid. Sorry your assumption doesn't count.

Why not? He's 17. It won't be too long before he moves out. Then it'll be easier to keep it a secret. And he's got Max to cover for him.

17 or not your still gonna be close to your little brother. And Terry moved in with his mom and brother to help them. Especially his mom who still has to support herself and his little brother. Terry can't just abandon them that easily.

Batman had his kid sidekicks before there was ever a League. That's the difference. Terry won't have to worry about that because the League already exists.

No its not. The Justice League is only used for big problems. They only get together when a problem becomes to big for one of them to handle. They don't solve everyones problem. Especially problems they can handle on their own time.

Are you saying Superman has to call the League when he has to save a cat from tree?

Or Batman has to call the league when he's dealing with a thief mugging an old woman?

Not all the Leaguers have their own cities and problems.

You don't know much about DC characters or the comics do you? All the League members have other cities and problems. Go pick up a comic book and find out yourself. They have lives outside the League.

It's not like they drop everything and appear at a moments notice? We saw several times in JLU that, yes, they do drop everything and are teleported. Ironically, Batman was the only one who wouldn't.

Like I said for the second time now. The League is only used for Big problems. Like for example problems in other worlds, the world being destroyed, supervillains teaming up etc. They don't solve everyone's problem.

Batman wouldn't do it for the same exact reason. He has to defend Gotham all the time. And its harder for him since he doesn't have superpowers like the other League members. So he chooses to be not be involved with the league as much for this reason. Which is why he needs partners who live in Gotham in the first place.

He may have ended up as Batman, but he didn't end up exactly like Bruce. Besides, the fact that he did is sheer dumb luck. And as you stated in your other post, sheer dumb luck is enough to dismiss something.

It wasn't dumb luck. Terry and Matt's dad was gonna be murdered no matter what they did. So whether he met Bruce or not. Terry and Matt would be screwed up like Bruce and eventually they will decide to do something about it. In much the same way Bruce had to do something after his parents were killed.

This was already explained in the last episode of JLU. Amanda Waller was originally planning to kill both of Terry's parents when he was kid. So he would eventually turn into Batman.

And Terry will make sure Max doesn't end up like him or Bruce.

Again Matt is his brother, Max is his friend.

Funny didn't you say a while ago that Terry can move out and not be around his brother so much. So Matt wouldn't find out he's Batman. But now your saying the exact opposite and that Terry will basically be around his brother a lot. Make up your mind will ya.

Unlike Bruce, Max has coped with his dad's death. No fighting at school. No discipline problems at home. Both signs of a traumatized child. Having an older brother and a mother has helped him deal.

Again your assuming things that hasn't happened.

Bruce Timm only showed Matt when he was 5 years old. And the show already made it clear that he was having problems dealing with his dads death in the Ghost School episode. A lot of things can happen when he grows older.

But seeing that he is an exact genetic duplicate of Bruce. He will start to act in the same way Bruce did. Terry reacted the same way to his dads death. Exactly how Amanda Waller planned it when she created Terry and accidentally created Matt.

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[–] PreachCaleb 12 years ago

Where's your proof Bruce stated Dick didn't become Robin until college?

I'm close to both my brothers. They don't know all my secrets. This is one Terry would keep from Matt.

And who said it'd be easy? But a man's got to live his own life. He can still help out. I still help out my parents whenever I can.

And what are you talking about with the cat and the old lady? Making up ludicrous scenarios doesn't sell your case.

If you'd paid attention during Epilogue, Bruce tells Terry that Kent called and he wants help on a case, but it's nothing apocalyptic. So League does help each other out even if it's not world threatening. So obviously, the League is not just for the "big problems."

It was dumb luck Terry's father died. Amanda called off her assassin. His death was no longer a plan. Just an unfortunate tragedy. Amanda had no plans for Warren to die. His eventual death setting Terry onto the path of being Batman was sheer luck.

I'm not saying the opposite. I've moved out, and I'm still close to my family. Maybe if you had brothers, you'd understand. Terry won't let his little brother become a sidekick. If he goes off on his own, Terry can't stop that forever. But as long as he can prevent it, he will.

Yes, a lot of things can happen as Matt grows older. Such as having a mother and older brother to help him. Just like they did in the Ghost School.

I don't think you understand what a genetic duplicate is. Let me explain again: that would be a clone. Exactly what Waller says Terry ISN'T. He's Bruce's biological son. There's a difference.

Straightedge means I'm better than you.

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[–] pnayballer10 12 years ago

Where's your proof Bruce stated Dick didn't become Robin until college?

Go read his many interviews at Worlds Finest.com. Go listen to the DVD commentaries on all the DVDs. Bruce Timm has said it and he wanted it that way.

I'm close to both my brothers. They don't know all my secrets. This is one Terry would keep from Matt.

Your using yourself as proof. Sorry but I don't know you. For all I know you have no brothers. And Batman Beyond is a show based on a comic book. Not based on your life. So using yourself as an example does not count as proof.

And who said it'd be easy? But a man's got to live his own life. He can still help out. I still help out my parents whenever I can.

You did. And again your using your own life as an argument. Which means absolutely nothing since this show is not based on your life.

And you already destroyed your argument by mentioning "Parents". Matt has only one parent now in his life. Any one knows 1 parent households are tougher than 2 parents. Terry has to basically be a Dad for Matt. Which means he has to be around a lot. Until Matt is old enough to take care of himself.

And what are you talking about with the cat and the old lady? Making up ludicrous scenarios doesn't sell your case.

Nope! its me making fun of your ridiculous argument that Batman or Superman would ask the Justice League for help on little problems like those two that I mentioned.

And if you know anything about Superman. He does help cats down from trees from time to time. But I'm starting to realize your knowledge on DC is based only on watching Batman Beyond and JLU.

If you'd paid attention during Epilogue, Bruce tells Terry that Kent called and he wants help on a case, but it's nothing apocalyptic.So League does help each other out even if it's not world threatening. So obviously, the League is not just for the "big problems."

That could mean anything. "Big Problems" doesn't only mean "Apocalyptic". They could be going against the Injustice Gang, or handling a problem on another planet.Or for example the episode where they were against Dr. Destiny who was trying kill all the Justice League members in their dreams. There are many different types of Big Problems.

And FYI if Superman the "Most Powerful Superhero" in the DC universe is asking Batman for help. Its not a little problem.

It was dumb luck Terry's father died.

How is anyone being murdered considered luck. You must have a weird view on life to think that.

And no it wasn't dumb luck. Since Derek Powers/Blight planned to have his father killed. Thats not dumb luck its a Murder Plot.

Amanda called off her assassin

I already know this. I own the DVD and watch it many times.

His death was no longer a plan. Just an unfortunate tragedy.

Yes it was. Derek Powers/Blight planned Warren Mcginnis murder. It wasn't a tragedy. It was a sick murderous plot.

Amanda had no plans for Warren to die.

I already know this. I didn't say she carried out her plan. But she was planning to have both Warren and Mary Mcginnis be killed. So Terry can turn into Batman. This was all her plan but she couldn't go through it.

His eventual death setting Terry onto the path of being Batman was sheer luck.

Again it was not luck. Since it was planned by Derek Powers/Blight because he wanted to shut Warren Mcginnis up about the illegal dealing that Powers was doing.

And again its weird as hell that you consider someone being murdered as luck.

I'm not saying the opposite. I've moved out, and I'm still close to my family. Maybe if you had brothers, you'd understand.

First off you don't know me. So how do you know if I have brothers or not?

And FYI I do have brothers. So your wrong.

And its not just about being close. Terry has to be there for Matt more than just a brother. He has to be like a dad to him as well. Him moving out will make it really worse for Matt growing up.

Terry won't let his little brother become a sidekick. If he goes off on his own, Terry can't stop that forever. But as long as he can prevent it, he will.

Is there an echo here. Because I do remember saying that it is Ultimately Matt's decision. Terry can't do anything about it if Matt decides to become Robin.

Yes, a lot of things can happen as Matt grows older. Such as having a mother and older brother to help him. Just like they did in the Ghost School.

He already has an older brother and mother to help him. So how can you say that "can happen". Thanks for not making any sense.

I don't think you understand what a genetic duplicate is. Let me explain again: that would be a clone. Exactly what Waller says Terry ISN'T. He's Bruce's biological son. There's a difference.

Perhaps you don't understand. In the JLU "Epilogue "Waller had Warren Mcginnis reproductive material change so that it would be a duplicate of Bruce Wayne. That means his son or sons would have the same physical and emotional characteristics as Bruce.

This is why Amanda Waller had originally planned to kill both of Terry's parents in the first place. Because Terry would act exactly like Bruce did to his parents being murdered. Which is why he did become Batman when his dad ended being murdered years later.

This is how it was explained in the TV Show. So don't blame me that you don't seem to get it. I'm going by what happened in the show. Not whats happening in my own life. Which you seem to be doing for some strange reason.

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[–] airfaith 9 years ago

lol the show was terrible xD the character of terry was so boring and 1 dimensional, his backstory was utterly pointless, he never had the push or reasoning or urge that batman had for doing it, they even had to force oldies like the joker back into the show using... a chip... implanted in tims head, what? lol i honestly could not get into this show in the slightest, atleast the batman animated shows had a bit of depth, this was just a cash in for the sake of keeping batman going after batman and robin the movie had ruined the batman image for a while, please please DONT start it up again, batman has just gotten back off the ground, dont ruin it with pointless "future copycat" ideas when the batman legacy has SO much more going for it, the bat family is huge and terry is not a part of it, keep it in the present, not that old pointless "lets go into the future to avoid canon problems" nonsense.

but i wont lie, i KNOW its never coming back because it was that bad xD so i dont even need to argue my case, theyve had many batman animated shows since, all of which where better, even the really bad one with the U2 intro theme xD wasnt batman forever enough for them? lol, and now DC are back in the running making really good animated movies like bad blood and gods and monsters both of which where great perfectly made and spot on as to how they should be, bad blood MAYBE had too many characters from the bat family in it, but it was still a good movie, they made return of the dark knight part 1 and 2 which where spot on perfect, we dont need this terry cash in nonsense anymore.

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[–] brailsford 8 years ago

It's not going to happen, the show was given an official goodbye with the Season 2 finale of Justice League Unlimited: Epilogue. Justice league unlimted ended the DCAU

Flaming doesn't help your point, it engulfs it in a wall of fire no one is going try to go through.

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