in the scene where Lisa Bonet is playing 'Baby I love the way', Rob (Cusack) remarks: "Is that Peter f###### Frampton?". And proceeds to seemingly indicate a prior dislike for the track.
not that it's important, however not being a 70's music expert, i wonder how Peter Frampton would be regarded by all the music 'snobs' in this movie, or even from their counterparts in real life? Is he respected/revered, or disrespected?
It probably depends on who you ask. Clearly, Rob & his two buddies are not Peter Frampton fans in the movie. Although, Rob's line later was "I always hated that song...." so it might just be that he hates that particular song, but not all of Frampton's work.
shareI doubt Frampton would care. He's been around long enough to know and understand that not everyone loves his music.
I'm not a music snob by any means but I can't stand "Baby I Love Your Way" either. It's a decent song but it was remade by some band in the 90s and their version was played like every 15 seconds. Radio has a way of ruining decent songs by ramming them down our throats.
Peter Frampton was a massive commercial rock star back in the 70s, but there were many in the rock music critic circles who derided his style and mass appeal as an example of Rock n Roll losing its way after the 60s. The Eagles were also criticized for this as well even though they have massive commercial following.
Rob's sentiments reflect that criticism that we would call snobbish but he would consider his opinion as dignified and anti-establishment.
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thank you for the intelligent response. Appreciate the time.
sharePeter Frampton was in a really cool band in the 70's called Humble Pie. Peter Frampton left this band and became a mega star with a trendy album that every teen in the 70's owned called Frampton Comes Alive. It was lame but sold millions. Oddly enough Humble Pie's first release after Frampton left was a great song called "Thirty Days In The Hole". Do yourself a favor and youtube this forgotten classic and you will understand why Frampton is considered a sellout.
shareConsidering the dire straits that modern popular music is in right now, it's kinda hard to look back at gifted musicians like Frampton and consider him a sellout when most of his repertoire was all his own creation, yet in today's music scene more popular and wealthier "artists" are winning all types of music awards left and right, yet they're thrice the rip-off artist and sellout Frampton ever was (ie - John Legend, Bruno Mars, Katy Perry, FallOut Boy, modern Country music as a whole, etc.)
shareI guess I'm really getting old, but my only exposure to Bruno Mars was at the halftime of the super bowl. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised. He seemed to have talent, kind of like a poor mans Prince.
shareFrampton Comes Alive was 2nd only to Stevie Wonder's monster Songs In The Key Of Life in 1976....it (FCA!) reached #1 four separate times..an amazing feat for a toatal of 10 weeks at #1. It is considered a classic and one of the biggest selling live albums ever...hardly lame.
shareI worked in record stores around the time that Frampton Comes Alive came out and I can tell you that it was easy to get sick of it since it was played so much and was produced to appeal to screaming teens that were largely female.
That and the knowledge that the record was something of a fake. Many of the musical tracks were re-recorded in the studio and much of the audience sounds came from other concerts (John Denver concerts, if I remember right). So it wasn't an honest live performance.
However, as a guitarist, I can tell you that Frampton is relatively respected in that world.
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???? Frampton's only crime was becoming popular, there is a certain type of dumb fan that can't stand their private band becoming popular, and most of the material on 'Frampton comes Alive' was material that was recorded on earlier Frampton albums, when Frampton was still a small time artist known only by a few people in the UK. Frampton comes Alive, and Humble Pie live at the Fillmore are easily two of the best live Rock albums recorded in the 1970's.
shareI assumed that they hold Frampton in high regard and were put off that someone felt they were good enough to cover him.
shareThe album was considered by most dudes as the musical equivalent of a 'chick flick'. Although I owned every Humble Pie album, saw them many times in the early 70s, I wouldn't have been caught dead owning the album. I actually took my then significant other and her gf's to the Comes Alive tour concert - even bought the tickets, but I waited outside. I remember being nervous about running into any of the guys I knew as I headed out to my car to wait it out. 'Snob' ? Nah. No law saying I/we have to buy into someones elses latest money making idea and nothing snobby about making the decision not to either. Frampton made a bunch of cash off it after after years of paying his dues - I can't hate him for it. And he did 'pay' for his selling out. Females were wild for him/his 'look' but then all his hair started falling out and he went bald.
Even the Universe felt a need to punish him for the transgression :)
HP's 'Shine On', 'The Light', 'A Song for Jenny', 'BIG GEORGE' and later, post Frampton tunes like '30 Days...' are still some of my favorites - you never hear them in classic rock rotation.
Damn, time to head over to youtube and get reaquainted ..... good times !!
Funny story. I wonder if Humble Pie would have ever made a song like "30 Days In The Hole" if Frampton had stayed in the band. Steve Marriott was a better singer than Peter Frampton, but Frampton gets credit as a better guitar player. Frampton lost his rock credibility with the release of Frampton Comes Alive with its pop sound and teenage girls screaming in the background.
shareThe album sold over 10 million copies. I doubt that only females bought it. It's a decent album that somehow caught the country's fancy in 1976. Yes I am a male, and yes I still have the LP. Some of the songs are lame, and some are pretty good.
Frampton wasn't a sellout. He left the Herd/Humble Pie to make his own music which is not the first time that has ever happened in the rock era. He put out several studio albums that didn't sell squat so he wasn't doing all that well before the live album came out.
I have to laugh long and hard about the dude who bought a bunch of tickets to the Frampton concert but didn't go in. What high moral standards you have!!! I'm sure the girls were really impressed.....or not.
I think the closest thing we've had to a modern-day equivalent of Frampton Comes Alive is when U2 put out Vertigo in 2000. It would have been a much better song for most people but for the fact you could not escape it for the longest time.
You think of how much you've heard Pharrell Williams' Happy in the last year; that doesn't even compare to the oversaturation of Vertigo or Baby I Love Your Way.
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Why would want to go to a concert with nothing but guys? Huh...
shareWe saw Peter Frampton in concert about 10 years ago. His final song was an 8-9 minute guitar solo and I swear there was blood coming from his guitar. It was crying. Excellent performance!
shareROB said that he hated the song, but liked MARIE's version.
shareThe answer is "YES"...and the reason: Because that song, anyway, SUCKS! I admit, as much as I dislike Bonet, she improves upon it, but not enough to make me buy her CD (if it existed).
"Snobs"? Why? Is liking Frampton essential to NOT being a snob? That's freaking sad!
I could substitute any number of musicians' names, like "Dave Brubeck" to, laughably, Michael Bolton and get tons of people to agree with me. That does not make it decent music....well, except for Brubeck. Yeah, I must be a snob.
Nothing is what it seems. Everything is a test. Rule #1: Don't...get...caught.
Of course that's the point.
Whether or not you like that song, these guys wouldn't, just because it was commercial and popular.
And the fact that they like it now that Marie is singing it speaks more to how phony they themselves are.
I got the impression that it was mainly the one song, which is one of the most mocked songs of the 70's. But in its defense, or more a tribute (with which I don't agree) to Lisa Bonet's singing, the guys end up "kind of liking it".
It's not surprising that they dislike it; look at their taste in music. Jack Black's character even hates "I Just Called to Say I Loved You", dismissing it as "sentimental tacky pap". And that's a much better song than the one above. I personally don't care whether they like or dislike Frampton. They got me to buy five copies of the new Beta Band record...
Nothing is what it seems. Everything is a test. Rule #1: Don't...get...caught.
Jack Black's character even hates "I Just Called to Say I Loved You", dismissing it as "sentimental tacky pap". And that's a much better song than the one above.
Ha!...this is kind of funny, since the whole film is about clashing tastes in music and whether or not one has the right to impose one's taste on another!
Wait, what?! Better song? You're kidding, right?
Well said. For the very reasons you have just stated I will declare that John Cale's cover of Cohen's Hallelujah is superior. That Joy Division would have been superstars if Ian Curtis hadn't killed himself and that Vic Chesnutt is only behind Dylan and John Prine as a song writer.
shareRight ON! I love Joy Division, though not sure abt the superstar part, since New Order never got there either. Did ANY New Wave bands except the Clash, really, after being hounded out of Punk status (though gladly, I can't help but think--that movement had a 2-yr. lifespan, kind of like Heroin Chic!) But They should have been Superstars, along with OMD, The Cure and so many others. (Watch Sofia Coppola's "Marie Antoinette" and marvel at THAT soundtrack!).
Apropos of nothing, as Humbert said: Of course, Cale is a genius! He's like McCartney with talent. Or like Lou Reed's bizarre, locked-up brother!
Let's not forget Gen-X: You forgot Weezer's about-face on Pinkerton! Who else produces a groudbreaking album and such a harsh, poignant sound, with one guy in his parents' basement? (I mean the genesis of it, of course)?
And we all have come to realize, I think that no matter how great Dylan is, he IS often overrated by comparison to others, until "Blood on the Tracks"! Not sure abt. Vic...though "Coward" might have been Rodriquez' inspiration for El Mariachi and the wonderful "Chingonized" "Malaguena Salerosa"...
Other stuff of his is more like Randy Newman in a semi-coma, sadly. (E.G., "When The Bottom Fell Out").
Anyway...interesting stuff! Message me if this is too OT!
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Nothing is what it seems. Everything is a test. Rule #1: Don't...get...caught.
Sorry but Vic Chesnutt crushes Randy Newman like a grape. If you want to compare Vic to someone try Cat Stevens before he found religion.
shareSorry, but IMO, NOBODY "crushes" Newman...nobody, much less a whiner like Chesnutt. He might be good for make-out sessions while wearing polyester and platform shoes, but, come on! I see what you did--you were TRYING to be sarcastic about your musical "preferences" to "Show me"--not realizing that I take almost EVERYTHING literally!
Sorry I bothered replying to you. Let's just drop it. It's obvious that our musical tastes are so far apart as to make any attempt at dialogue useless. Once you use sarcasm and deception, you lose ALL credibility!
Nothing is what it seems. Everything is a test. Rule #1: Don't...get...caught.
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I don't know if you are still out there since it's taken me almost two years to respond, but if you are still with us I would suggest that you youtube Vic Chesnutt doing the songs Withering or Thumbtack or maybe See You Around or Florida. Any of these might change your opinion of the late great Vic Chesnutt.
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