why is it called angela's ashes?
i just finished reading the book, really good, but why is it called Angela's Ashes?
sharei just finished reading the book, really good, but why is it called Angela's Ashes?
shareAngela, Frank's Mom dies and is cremated. I read the book a long time ago. There's a sequel too and I think it picks up where the first book ends.
shareBut i just read it and no where did it say that his mom died, unless it was in the beginning somewhere and i wasn't paying attention to what i was reading.
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okay thank you, damn u just ruined the second book for me, jk.
shareActually, if you want your answer in reference to the first novel, and not the sequel, here it is: Angela's "ashes" symbolize her "withering failure" to help her family, to assist them in grasping a better life. Often, McCourt alludes to Angela "staring into the ashes" of the fireplace after Malachy Sr. loses a job, or comes home drunk instead of looking for a job. Also, all she sees everyday is hungry children, half of whom had died already. It goes so much further than "she was cremated." The ashes symbolize not her own death, but the death of everything around her. This novel has ambiguous meanings, and is not concise in the least. Look beneath the surface. The movie on the other hand, is much more difficult to analyze in terms of the title, but that's my two cents on the novel.
shareThanks, tbolton. That makes sense. I'm sure liz_rulez will appreciate it too.
It's been a while since I've read this novel. So, Angela's entire life is so dismal that her life is represented by ashes. How depressing.
Yet, Frank survives this childhood and even with all this tragedy still can see the humor in his surroundings.
Anytime!
sharei will have to spoil the book angelas ashes to explain what i think. if you want to know just PM me or something
shareIt won't ruin anything...its called Angela's ashes, because whenever his mother Angela was depressed (which was always) she smoked. (so she always smoked) and also how she's look into the fire place and the ashes there. It has absolutly nothing to do with her death, thats just sick.
Vern, Chris, Teddy: I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up.
"It has absolutly nothing to do with her death, thats just sick."
You don't know that, and no it's not.
I always assumed it was to do with her cremation, but your idea makes sense. Who knows, maybe Frank just likes alliteration
Actually I do know that because I read it in an interview and it wouldn't make sense anyway because she doesn't die in the book.
Vern, Chris, Teddy: I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up.
Also she was still alive when both the books were written and was infact at the premiere of the film. Whoever said they read it is clearly a lier.
shareoh you read it in an interview? of course, pardon me all to hell
citation anyone?
I thought this too. The ashes from her cigarettes.
shareI figured her always looking into the fireplace ashes had something to do with it, sort of sumbolising it
sharei remember seeing a show several months ago that aired on (i believe) bravo. frank mccourt was discussing the book and different aspects of his childhood and various passages were read as actors played out the scenes. it also had interviews with mccourt's brothers and it showed them on stage together years ago. if i remember correctly, it even had footage of an elderly angela singing alongside her boys. i cannot remember the name of the program itself but it was very interesting seeing the brothers i had come to know so well from frank's memoirs.
at any rate...
during this interview he discusses the title "angela's ashes." while i cannot remember his quote word for word, he basically said that he did not intend to include angela's death in his second memoir but that the flow of the story sort of veered it that way. he had already come up with the name "angela's ashes" and had intended to end the first memoir with the recounting of spreading her remains along with his brothers.
so, while some of the other theories are very interesting ones, the name does, in fact, refer to her cremated remains.
Yep,Frank survives alright and gets his foot on the ladder of success by robbing his dead employer! Survival of the fittest is rampant in a superstition-ridden,poverty-stricken environment.Surprisingly,the flick has a considerable "feel-good" factor. Lots of laughs from the brilliantly acted, "boys of the town".Like a trip down memory lane for me...
shareThe ashes are also a reference to Angela's cigarette ashes. She smoked and smoked as she waited for her drunk husband to come home and for life to get better.
shareexactly. the cigarette ashes. and I'm not damning you to hell, you can do that yourself. I happen to think an interview with the AUTHOR OF THE BOOK happens to be a reliable source...but thats just me.
Vern, Chris, Teddy: I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up.
I'm sure it is cutes all I'm saying is that I COULD claim I'd read in an interview that the AUTHOR OF THE BOOK is an amateur hedge-trimmer and a fan of double left footed arachnids, and have the exact same credability that you have.
Funny world, nay?
you could. but why bother?
Vern, Chris, Teddy: I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up.
I thought personally that the Ashes were when she would look into the ashes in the fire.
shareThe term ashes does in fact refer to the ashes that are all around them in the book. There are many references to Angela staring into the ashes of the fire, get cigarette ash on herself, ect. However, near the end of 'Tis, Angela does in fact die and is cremated, thus Angela's ashes.
shareyeah...but thats in Tis, not Angela's Ashes.
Vern, Chris, Teddy: I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up.
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In a way that is right. Because she would look into the ashes when she was unhappy and depressed so the ashes do in a way represent the "suckiness" of her life.
Vern, Chris, Teddy: I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up.
Why not look it up on Frank's website, I have both read and listened to interviews with him explaining that it was soley to do with his mother's corporeal remains. He laughs at all this egghead analysis. And the book is not a novel you dolt.
shareFrank's mother was still alive when Angela's Ashes was published...so...uh...yeah.
Vern, Chris, Teddy: I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up.
Mr. McCourt had intended to include the spreading of his mother's ashes in the first book but the editors and lit agents didn't want to leave it on a sad note. After completing his second novel "Tis" he admits that he should have waited and called the second one Angela's Ashes instead. Taken from an interview on C-span book club. Personally I enjoyed tis just as much as Angela's Ashes. His writing style is like having a favorite uncle recall his life's story when your parents aren't in the room.
"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it."
Also she was still alive when both the books were written and was infact at the premiere of the film. Whoever said they read it is clearly a lier.The book was written in 1996 and the sequel in 1999. The movie came out in 1999. Both his parents had died by that time,
And whoever talks about "liers" clearly cannot spell.
Or "past" away.
Angela’s Ashes takes its name from the ashes which fall from Angela’s cigarettes and those in the fireplace at which she stares blankly. The entire setting of the narrative feels draped in ash—dark, decrepit, weak, lifeless, sunless. Angela’s ashes represent her crumbling hopes: her dreams of raising a healthy family with a supportive husband have withered and collapsed, leaving her with only cigarettes for comfort and the smoldering ashes of a fire for warmth.
it's all about a tragedy in Angela's life.It's all tragedy both in the eye of Frank and the Angela.It's so touching film and great title that keeps us in mind Angela during all the movie.And of course that all the agony and tragedy comes from Ashes that makes sense the title.
shareYou guys should just go READ 'Tis and decide for yourselves.
And pick up "A Monk Swimming" by Malachy McCourt while you're at it.
I have only read the book and not seen the movie.
Despite what most of you think, angela's ashes refers to the embers and ashes Angela stares at in the fireplace whenever she is worrisome. You'd have to read the book carefully to notice this, but whenever someting bad happens in the family's life (ie: [SPOILER ALERT] Oliver's death, the fued with laman griffin, etc.) Frank always sees Angela staring into the fireplace and obsvering the ashes and embers.
I do not see why Frank McCourt would title his first book something that only has meaning when you read the sequel. (I haven't read the sequal yet, but you guys are saying that Angela's ashes refers to it.)
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I saw Frank McCourt in person when he came to the local university. He said people have come up with lots of theories about the title. He chuckled and shook his head at the one about the cigarette ashes, and said it also wasn't about staring into the ashes of the fire. He declined to give a concrete answer, saying he'd rather leave it unanswered.
sharei WAS thinking it's Angela asses :D
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I saw this film for free... and still wanted my money back.