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Is Wigand's life ruined?


I guess the headline speaks for itself.

Concerning the question, what I mean is that: because of this case, he is divorced, and therefore doesn't live with his family anymore. Of course he still sees his daughters, but I guess it's not the same. One may argue that his wife didn't really stand behind her husband, and therefore a divorce may had happened sooner or later anyway. But that isn't really relevant. Besides that, he doesn't live "at home" in the big house. And another important thing, is that this whole case have had a big influence on him (at some point he was about to crack), which I suppose is gonna have a negative effect on him, for the rest of his life. I know he found a new job, was awarded "teacher of the year" in Kentucky in 1996, and still sees his daughters, so his life isn't really ruined in the essence of the word. But I still think, at some point, the influence of this case had such a big effect on him, that he is never gonna be the same.

Then another question...

If his is the case, then who ruined it/at what point was it ruined?

- Was it the tobacco company by firing him (if the whole case hadn't happened, could his wife and him have made it work)?

- Was it CNN/60 Minutes, who made a promise to him they couldn't keep?

- Something else?

I really wanna hear your opinions about this, because it is something I always think about after watching this movie. And for some reason I can't find an answer/answers to this. But I hope that your opinions could help me find a "vision".

All these voices in my head, and not a single one I understand.

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His life has certainly changed after basically being turned completely upside down, no question, but I myself wouldn't consider it ruined.

It's a tricky question overall because, while it's obvious that what he did (and risked) WAS so very important, one can easily ask "Well what has changed since?" and not really receive a clear answer.

No one can really tell you one way or the other except the man himself but, based on what I've read about him, I'm 'guessing' if he had the chance, he'd do it all over again. So that tells me no, his life is not ruined - just different/changed.

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I sure hope his life hasn't been "ruined." The man is a true hero and an inspiration who showed extraordinary courage under incredible pressure that would have crushed most people.

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Now the tobacco companies are targeting Asia. That's an enormous market. They're still making money. And they still target the poor and the young in America.

I quit smoking in early 2002, and it was the hardest thing I've ever done.

I HATE the tobacco companies and this film makes me hate them more. Making cigarettes is one thing. Making them more addictive while claiming they're NOT addictive is just purely evil.

I hope the people responsibile burn in hell, and their little lawyers too!





Honour thy parents. They were hip to the groove too once you know.

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Hey, here's am idea...don't start!!!! Then we won't have to put up with you moaning about how hard it is to give up.

"I felt my pecker flutter once, like a pigeon havin' a heart attack"

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"Hey, here's am idea...don't start!!!! Then we won't have to put up with you moaning about how hard it is to give up."

"Not knowing what one talks about does not give them the right to be offensive. It happens that this sentence of yours is superlatively so.

Most kids get addicted to nicotine through a well thought, well funded campaign targeted at the most fragile. If you were among the privileged ones, shielded from such attacks, most likely through responsible parents, good for you. But you can certainly not claim credit for it : you're just another rich kid.

As a side note, western countries are currently fighting against less harmful nicotine delivery systems. specifically the electronic cigarette. This is proof enough that the big tobacco is still fighting dirty, targeting your health for profit."


1st Please inform me on exactly how big tobacco is targeting kids today?

2nd the main reason why western counties are currently fighting against LESS HARMFUL nicotine delivery systems like ecigs is because they aren't taxed as high as cigs and in other words they won't be getting as much money if people switch.

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An alcoholic is someone you don't like who drinks as much as you do.

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HATE the tobacco companies and this film makes me hate them more.


I quit back in 1990 (after 26 years of smoking) and it was very tough! I still get occasionally craving nearly 22 years later! I feel that the tobacco companies (and their executives) should have been bankrupted and the Government should have complete taken over tobacco production. It should be treated as what it is, a dangerous, addicting substance, and should only be given through prescription and only to those already addicted smoking (and there should be programs to help those addicted to get off tobacco)!!! That would help prevent new smoker (at least here in the USA)!

As far as foreign markets, if the companies were being run by the government, then all sales outside of US boundary would be abolished!

"Today's religion is tomorrow's superstition!!!"

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hey athiest,people say that the bible was made up by man.But I think that all the stories in the book just sound all to good to be made up by a cruel species like mankind.

you shoot me in a dream you better wake up and apologize.

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The stories in the Bible sound pretty cruel to me. Have you even read the Old Testament?

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lol did you even really read the Bible?Or did you just read it selectively?

You want to play the game, you'd better know the rules, love.
-Harry Callahan

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I have read the whole thing. Reading the Old Testament straight through was a very tedious experience.

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So you think the Bible is just one big lie?

You want to play the game, you'd better know the rules, love.
-Harry Callahan

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In my view, our modern version of capitalism ruined him and it happened (happens) on several levels.

He was an idealist. He wanted to fight the tobacco companies (who embodied the least ethical of capitalist organizations). Their capital was what made them so powerful that nobody would want to fight them. It's likely that lots of more or less moral people knew what was going on was wrong and did nothing to stop it. Eventually the power of the capital becomes that strong.

Unlike those who were just happy to get a paycheck for what was considered a legitimate business (regardless of the direct harm and little to no human value), he objected to what was going on and thought it needed to be stopped. He wanted to expose them. But the media (60 minutes) -- something that is supposed to be a democratic bastion but that is also overrun by capitalism -- were pressured not to run his story. Modern capitalism -- that which lacks the ethics that is supposed to work in concert with capitalism for an economy that is both strong and full of useful products that represent the best society can make -- was again a force against him.

Eventually the information that cigarettes were known to cause cancer and other problems got out, but in the end his life as he knew it was ruined. This was the cost of being an idealist in this world, trying to be ethical and working in the interests of democracy in a society where in the end capitalism often becomes a force that pushes for people to participate in unethical business practices. In this case, it's not just that the practices were bad (covering up harmful information about the product). Literally what we know about tobacco says that this industry is by definition unethical.

And yet tobacco continues to be sold today, just like restaurants continue to promote meals that are clearly over and above normal calorie levels for healthy lifestyles -- all because this is "what people want." Really, it's just "what they don't know they don't want" because people by their nature are sometimes self-destructive. Of course, you can call me a Marxist or whatever name you want, but the reality is that people really do need help on understanding how to make decisions to live healthy lives. Meanwhile, corporations have only their own profits as their interests and our government is pressured to let that happen absent measured and targeted regulatory efforts that might make capitalism more efficient and the market more open to healthy change. A system of capitalism can be very successful if the people within it find a way to regulate it such that change and innovation are allowed to happen, but this cannot happen if large corporations such as tobacco companies, oil companies, media companies, computer companies, etc... are so large that they can stifle the discussion of new ideas and innovations that might actually force changes that would help people.

In the case of big tobacco, if these corporations were not permitted to become so massive, they would not be so powerful as to stifle dissenting views about their business and about the harm of cigarettes both health-wise and socially, not so powerful as to be able to pay for all of that advertising, not so powerful as to pay lobbyists to hammer away at our politicians, and not so powerful as to be able to effectively transform the mentality about tobacco consumption into an argument that says "to each his own." I'm not saying we should shut them down, but they should be regulated to a place where cigarettes/cigars/chewing tobacco are something that can't appear in advertising and their appearance in media in general should be monitored. Only then can people really make decisions for themselves free of the power of these organizations to overwhelm the pro-social messages that are there (but just barely) to tell people the problems of starting and becoming a smoker.

Back to Jeffrey Wigand. This is the machine that "ruined" him. Individuals can affect change sometimes -- to that there is no denying. But what are the costs of affecting change? In his case, the effort involved to make change happen had collateral effects on his family, his career, his own safety. Of course, he was much wealthier as an industry insider than he is as a school teacher -- so again, there is that cost where his ethics cost him real financial stability. And that is the sad story of our society where it pays to be a greedy, amoral capitalist (whereas I believe the right situation could have both healthy capitalism containing products that are either helpful or in some other way intrinsically valuable.

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Thank you all for your answers. Especially you tjernst, for answering twice ;-)

Your answers actually inspired me to make a new thread on this movie. It is called: "Was it all worth it?" if you wanna check it out.

All these voices in my head, and not a single one I understand.

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If a person believes in karma, or reward and punishment for one's actions, Jeffrey Wigand is leagues ahead of most people. The tobacco executives who persecuted him and had lied about the harm of cigarettes have a lot to answer for.

I know that smoking cigars made from pure handrolled tobacco leaves is not addictive. Yet cigarettes have been tweaked to be addictive since the first Surgeon General report came out revealing the health consequences.

Back then many people were able to quit smoking. The cigarettes made back then weren't as addicting.

Anyhow, back to Wigand. He's one of my personal heroes, though I've never met him. I'm sure his life is good. And he'll pass from this life with a clean conscience. The Brown Williamson execs or CBS lawyers will probably wind up in Hell. *bwa ha ha*

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I think that now we can only sit and watch Capitalism die from within ('Global Recession'). This ugly beast will cause much more damage in it's death throes - be prepared!

I do not think that Wigand's life was ruined, despite his losses. It appears that he has a much more fulfilling life as a teacher than a corporate stooge.

Blowin' the changes!

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Not even close. IMO - the opposite.

What did he lose? A high salary and large house (that he didn't seem to require or appreciate) and a wife that loved the security and trappings of that income more than she loved him.

He had the character and integrity to challenge an immoral corporate culture, which lead to his 'firing'. But in the end, he found he had even more character and integrity.

I suppose if one measures life by money and material stuff ONLY, he lost out a little. He only became average in that respect.

But if you include karma, character, being able to look at yourself with self-respect and decency....his life would have been ruined had he NOT done what he did.

Also, he didn't stop with 'Teacher of the Year'. He reportedly now travels and lectures worldwide to medical, law and policy students and consults for governments on tobacco policies. I hope he made some coin on the movie and on his lectures/consulting. And, he's remarried to a philosopher, author, lawyer and professor. That woman would seem to suit him better than his first wife.

No, his life wan't ruined, it was saved.

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I agree with Andy. Everything he lost were symptoms of the trappings of greed and lies. Once he was able to tell the truth, many of the pretenses of his life disappeared. This included his wife, and while it was a painful loss, it was a blessing in disguise. Granted, we're talking about the movie here. I only point that out because it is based on a true story.

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"If his is the case, then who ruined it/at what point was it ruined? "

It was obviously the Tobacco company that tried to ruin his life, starting the moment they fired him for his ethical principles and they ramped it up with the psychological and financial abuse of him and his family (e.g. death threats?) and the smear campaign and attempted character assassination that the WSJ disputed.

I like to think that his words are true. "Yeah it was worth it." If he hadn't blown the whistle he might of had a nice house and whatnot but he would have been haunted by the secrets he was being forced to withhold forever.


Babak

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His life was not ruined, it was saved (in a purely non-religious sense). That is, he was just an impoverished amoral/immoral shell consisting of thinking material goods equate with happiness or contentment/satisfaction in and of life (which obviously they never do or can). The only redeeming quality he had before was that he cared for his family, and even that is cheap. Only inhumane monsters don't care about their families' welfare, it's hardly the pinnacle of morality to care for ones' own family. But for someone to be truly moral and live an authentic human life, they must expand their moral circle to include concern for humanity in general, for the welfare of those they will never meet and act in accordance with this overall sympathy for humankind.

So this level he finally reached when he decided to act in accordance with virtue out of concern for the moral interests of others besides his own family. This is its own reward of course (c.f. Aristotle for one) and he was lucky to have had the opportunity to do so much good (I wish I would get such a chance!). His life was greatly enhanced, given true meaning, dignity, and moral worth by these circumstances and his noble response to them. His losses are paltry (and his wife would have left him anyway and/or didn't truly love/respect him anyway in which case he would have not been any better off if she didn't leave, kids aside) compared to his gain of morally justified life of worth and dignity instead of an impoverished existence consisting of mostly hollow pursuits amounting to very little.

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His life was destined to become ruined ever since he sold his soul to the devil. Literally 'sold', because the devil paid him very well for his complacence and silence about this devil's wilfully addicting and poisoning the American people. In a way, this is a classic Faustian movie.

It was just when Wigand realized how far he had to extend his complacence, that he realized his life would get ruined either way: or by keeping silent and become accomplice to mass-murder, or by speaking out and losing the life he was leading.

Wigand did not stand up to the devil. Remember Wigand got fired. He did not want or chose to leave the job. It was after being fired when Wigand was taken (by Bergman) to the dilemma of speaking out or not. It was obviously hard to convince him that speaking out was the best thing to do.

Wigand did not expect to lose more than his financial security (he was forced to lose that by being sacked, and took up another job to take care of his family). Besides, he was prepared to take on the risk of his company coming after him. That is the the heroic deed he ought to be commended for.

What Wigand apparently did not expect was his wife leaving him, and thus losing his family life. Had he known this beforehand, I really doubt if he would have made the same choice to speak out. And I woulnd't blame him for not making that choice.

There is a lot of drama in this story. A lot.

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He said it himself in the ITW, when Mike Wallace asks him : Would you do it all over? Wigand answers calmly, with no hesitation : Yes, I would. He does not appear to me to be lying. And he actually DID stand up to the devil, just once. When 'Bret & Williamson' (the company he was working for, not sure about the name) want him to sign a paper so that they can extend their Confidentiality agreement, they threaten him and his kids, Wigand stands up and say :' *beep* me ? *beep* you. That's a tough choice to make as he knows it means the end of his healthcare coverings and severance pay. Wigand truly is a hero, he stood up to a giant lobby without the help, or even despite his dumb, materialistic, unsupportive wife.
But Bergman is almost equally a hero, by digging out the truth and standing up to corporate CBS.





Tell your brother he's on my to-do list, right after 'inserting needles into my cock'.

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His life was destined to become ruined ever since he sold his soul to the devil. Literally 'sold', because the devil paid him very well for his complacence and silence about this devil's wilfully addicting and poisoning the American people. In a way, this is a classic Faustian movie.
bullshít. if he kept his mouth shut he could've lived happily ever after as a servant for the devil. it's the speaking up part that gets him in trouble. this is the bittersweet irony of these stories, that whistleblowers get punished for being a hero and speaking out while cowards are rewarded for keeping their mouths shut.

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Well, while we're digging up old threads, I think Dr. Wigand answers the question himself. I think that if he considered his life ruined, he would never consider doing again what he did. But from his own web site - http://www.jeffreywigand.com/insiderfaqs.php -

Q. Knowing what you know now, would you do it all over again if the circumstances were similar?

A. Yes, in a New York minute.

To me, that means he considers his life saved, redeemed if you will.

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