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Would Russian gangsters really let him go for money?


Wouldn't that send a bad message to the other guys in the Mafia? If you get killed, we won't avenge your death as long as the guy who killed you gives us a million bucks...

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NO. I think it was just a ruse to get him to meet them. With the money, they'd probably still have killed him. If someone killed my loved one, NO AMOUNT of money would make me change my opinion on them. I'd still want revenge. It wouldn't matter if they gave me one million, or one trillion, I'd still want to get revenge. They probably would have taken the money and still killed him or they would have just killed him and left it. A million dollars is chump change to a mafia.

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You aren't a criminal, and you're wrong.

This was essentially a tax. You simply can't clip a police officer without an extensive investigation and pressure. Only when it's an absolutely needed example can you sanction that type of extreme.

Further, there isn't a person with the title of "a mafia". Most wiseguys from all walks (from the Yak boy in the parlor to the bratva soldier watching a warehouse) don't have a lot of money. After you factor in payroll, personal expenses (which are typically a lot), bribes, merch expenses, etc, you don't have a lot of money.

Anyway. He killed someone who was probably useless in the organization. That demands a tax.

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I doubt professional and ruthless criminals would be that stupid. Their first job would be to take care of the dead guy's family, which would be important for loyalty among the rank and file. Revenge is for dummies, and they couldn't take the money and shoot Alonzo too or nobody else would pay up in future.

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A million dollars is chump change for the mafia. That made no sense.

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Like Smiley said,"This was just business." The tax for killing one of ours (Russian mob soldiers) is a million bucks, pay it or die, simple as that.
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you can either have 2 guys and no money or one dead guy and a million dollars.

Maybe they intended to kill him anyways, but it's better "business" to take a tax, then to just simply rub a guy out.

Plus the possibility of a dirty corrupt cop on your payroll or in your pocket is far more valuable to the organization.

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Maybe they intended to kill him anyways, but it's better "business" to take a tax, then to just simply rub a guy out.


He did not pay on time and was going to LAX to evade them, and they killed him. He is now square with the house. Its just that simple, and questions?
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Nah, they would have probably killed him anyway.

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That is terrible business model. You would have massive internal problems if that were the case.

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It depends on the person involved. It depends on how important they were. Maybe he wasn't important enough to be worth avenging with killing absolutely.

If you look at the history of human civilization you'll often see that a tax for killing someone has often been used in place of a pure blood debt of death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

Its not exactly unprecedented or odd. Perhaps its only odd to those who watch Scorcese flicks and think everything has to end with someone getting whacked.

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Yeah that system is pretty ancient, and basically isolated to one part of the world. It doesn't surprise me however, that the Arab world still uses a similar system to this day :)

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Its one example and its not isolated. Its widespread. If anything the modern western system of justice and the sensibilities of our culture are isolated and the exception to the historical rule.

Since criminal enterprise exists outside of mainstream society and is often steeped in ancient tribal sensibilities whats so odd about comparing one of the most widespread practices of human culture adopted to prevent the cost of blood vengeance?

Criminal culture is far more similar to ancient tribal systems of justice than it is to any modern system and the reasons why should be obvious.

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I can arguing with you is futile. So am just going to bow out now.

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You mean because I don't agree with you after 2 posts?

You tap out early.

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The story that everyone understood (as told by Smiley) was that Alonzo didn't know the guy he killed was "a somebody." If a rival gang had done it then obviously money wouldn't be an option, there would be retaliation. The fact that Alonzo was a pig and didn't know who the guy was is the reason he was given a chance to save his life.

For those who say a million dollars is chump change consider that Alonzo's a pig, not some rich banker or athlete. What were they going to ask him for, 25 million? 1 billion? They have to be realistic about who they're dealing with so a million was plenty in that context, just look what he had to go through to get it.

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