Why did Riddick kill Carolyn. Was it so he could save himself or was it because she said she would die for the crew? Or was it because she said she would die for them but not for Riddick so he killed her saying not me as in she shouldn't even have gone back becuase he would kill her anyways? I'm so confused on that part.
shareHe didn't kill her, one of the aliens impaled her from behind and took off flying with her.
shareOh I know the alien killed her from behind, but he stabbed her right? With his knife so the alien could smell her blood?
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Oh so Riddick is not as cruel as I thought him to be haha. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It's because it showed his knife when she was smiling... but I get it now.
shareRiddick didn't stab her, but to me it looks like he saw the alien coming at them and moved Fry into its path to protect himself.
shareThen, why did he yell into the night after she was taken "Not for me! Not for me!" He didn't want her to die for him, but you guys think he either stabbed her or moved her into the path to be killed in his place? Did you guys SEE the movie? LOL
shareThen, why did he yell into the night after she was taken "Not for me! Not for me!" He didn't want her to die for him, but you guys think he either stabbed her or moved her into the path to be killed in his place? Did you guys SEE the movie? LOL
Just watched the movie again, pretty sure he stabs her, says (this wasn't as clear) "die for them, not for me," and then the alien gets her. Kind of an odd gesture on his part considering she went back for him. She was clearly willing to risk her neck for him when the other survivors wanted her to board the ship and leave.
shareYes, that would explain why he vengefully fries the aliens before taking off in his ship. NOT!
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No, that can't be right. I could have sworn that Riddick Shot Carolyn. Carolyn stabs Riddick after that. Riddick then says "I'M FREE!!! I'M FREE!!!" (He doesn't say "not for me.")
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The hell are you people talking about?
" Something jolts them. ALL CLICKING STOPS.
EXTREME CLOSEUPS: Searching each other's eyes. Someone just got
slashed from behind, slashed bad. But who?
RIDDICK
Not for me....
In an eyeblink she's gone, ripped from his arms. There was no
scream. No cry. No final words. Just...
Blackness."
How about read the screenplay next time?
I'm pretty sure TJ was joking.
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He did not stab her and he did not put her in the path of the alien to save himself!
shareHe didn't stab her, it was his one redeeming scene before the softened him up in the sequel.
sharethat would coincide with the fact that he asked her (before rescuing the others) "You would die for them?"
So my guess is he either is a bit of a psychopath and took her by her word and stabbed her, or he took her by her word and used her to save himself (i.e. she sacrifices herself for someone else).
The negates the whole point of the series so far. The films are about Riddick learning to be human not be a psycho.
He asked her the sacrifice question because he was amazed that someone like himself would be willing to put her life on the line for mere strangers. He said "Not for me" when she died because he didn't believe he deserved her sacrifice nor did he think himself included in that first sacrifice question. She gave up her life to save his and he has been trying to justify that sacrifice for the next two films.
Thank you! At least someone gets what I thought to be the most obvious point of the movies.
shareErr, no he didnt, moron..
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She was the only crewman that he trusted, when she vowed she'd die for them when he had his knife at her throat, when he took off the goggles replying "interesting," he had a totally different view of her. I believe he liked her because she was tough, a survivor, when she showed up to stop him his demeanor totally changed toward her and humanity as a whole.
When she showed up to get him, he was surprised as he sees the world as everyone for themselves, he knew she vowed to die for the others, but did not see himself as a worthy trade for her life, felt she was a good person.
I keep seeing this question and wonder is the world desensitized to feelings and emotions, maybe our problems are everyone "IS" out for themselves and can't recognize grief over loss in a film.
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It's not that the world is desensitized to feelings and emotions, it seemed he had stabbed her because he was desensitized from feelings and emotions. He wanted to leave the crew at the end whereas Caroline didn't. He saw her as weak for wanting to go back for the humans that were left whereas before he thought she was strong like him when he thought she was only thinking about herself. Idk thats how Riddick came off to me. It is sort of confusing. Throughout the movie he was pretty much wanting to save his own skin and defended someone once. The little girl pretending to be him.
shareGood job.
shareYou summed it up well mark. I hope some of these other misguided posters take note.
shareya its ambiguous...I think its valid to think Riddick would be that cruel to sacrifice her to save himself...he really isn't a good guy.
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I like to think that he stabbed her just like if a bear was chasing a friend and me, I would probably trip him to save myself. He's just trying to survive the way he always has.
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He didn't stab her.
The scene where she convinces him to go back for Imam and Jack represents a complete change in character for him. He begins the scene(and the film in general) most interested in saving himself.
Her willingness to "die for them" convinces him to go back. You can see his demeanor changes for the rest of the film...this represents a human turn in his character.
She ends up coming back for him, not leaving him for dead. He was going to leave them all, and then she convinced him not to. So she felt absolutely obligated to go back for him...
She says to him "I said I'd die for them, not you, lets go"
Then she gets impaled and taken away...it is the most immediate form of irony...she just said she wouldn't die for him...and by going back to save him, something that she wouldn't have done at the beginning of the film("I'm not gonna die for them!") she did in fact die for him.
You see her get yanked out of his hands, and he is clearly upset...and in remorse, he even remarks "Not for me"
She wasn't supposed to die for him, that isn't how it was supposed to be...he is frustrated that that's exactly what happened.
To assume that he killed her to save himself is to assume that he didn't undergo any sort of development, change, or progess over the course of the film...that he comes out the other end the exact same stone cold killer.
But the fact that he went back with Frye for them, as opposed to killing her and leaving on his own proves that that's not the case. Also, if you want to use The Chronicles of Riddick as evidence...he seems to have given up his serial killing ways in that film...yes, he kills in defense, and yadda yadda...but he isn't just some murderer like it is implied he was prior to this film.
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To add to what you say here, which I agree completely... b/c in Chronicles of Riddick, he goes to the iced planet in his mind, as a way of protecting "Jack" b/c he states that he left b/c he has merc's on his back and he'd always have mercs on his back so he left to "protect Jack" though in the end as it's explained by Immam, Jack felt toward Riddick as an older brother - a family connection so she felt betrayed by him, which is why she left to go look for him & ended up where she was when he found her later. It's clear he cared & even stayed on Helium Prime b/c of the memory of Jack then goes after her; hwr, all that aside...
As they're in the skiff, Jack asks how they will explain him to whoever finds them. The response he gives is that "Riddick 'died' on that planet below." I believe this is a euphemism/proclamation that the 'old Riddick' the murderer 'Riddick' did in fact DIE on the planet and a new Riddick emerged from it a better person, not to put too fine of a point on it. He was much better than he was before and as you mentioned, he wasn't a serial killer as he was before. He only fought for his life and for revenge as was shown when he killed the Necromancer that murdered Immam when he says, "I will take a piece of him!" referring to the man who killed Immam and the response to his proclamation is, "Then a piece you will have..." He take the guy out, IMHO, as sort of a payback for killing what can be construed as his friend.
It makes sense. And I also don't believe Riddick killed Caroline. I believe the alien creature speared her then ripped her from his arms & he was so new to having emotions and her willingness to die for the others but tells him she wouldn't die for him though the seriousness in the statement doesn't ring true that he can't handle it and it's why he screams out, "Not for me! Not for me!" It's also, IMHO, the reason he took out as many of the creatures he could as possible when he shuts the lights down on the skiff until they are all around them then throws back the throttle & the jets & lights and the ship itself takes out as many as he could take out without wrecking the ship. Which, leads up to the statement he makes where he says that Riddick died on that planet they left b/c the old Riddick did die on the planet below. He changed leaving his formerly held thoughts and beliefs as well as his lack of emotions for others with the exception of Jack, who may have brought memories of the family and everyone he ever knew from his home planet who died. He may have and I believe he did see Jack as sort of a surrogate for the loss of his people. He wasn't alone & had someone to protect who trusted him completely.
That's my 2 cents worth anyhow. Others mileage may vary.
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Yep, it's what I thought and tried to explain earlier, he has a different outlook on humanity due to her actions, then her sacrifice.
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Yes, well said Mark! Here, here! Cheers!
I had missed your response earlier but now read it.
I think she did win his respect and I think there was somewhat of a bond that had formed between them before that moment where she was ripped from his arms especially when she came over to try to help him. In reality at this point she would die for him, especially after she convinced him to come back and help the others, she meant it more as a motivator than anything and might have felt a responsibility since she was now trying to clear her conscience from poor past decisions. There might have even been, dare I say a hint of love possibly blossoming between them which is understandable considering the hell they went through, those intense shared experiences do make people get close quicker than normal.
I think you might be spot on with the desensitization, perhaps conditioned to not feel or perhaps just plain cynicism. I'm not sure but I think anyone who still sees it a different way at this point, might just be trolling
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The "Holy" man was ready and willing to leave Riddick, directly after he was saved by him, whats that say, a murderer gets schooled in humanity, and not from where you'd expect it.
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I don't know if Pitch Black/Chronicles of Riddick were initially graphic novels (aka comic books) or if it was simply a story made into films. Either way, there is something that nobody has brought up regarding Riddick's view of things.
We know from Pitch Black that Riddick has no use of religion b/c when Immam asks if he can pray with him, Riddick tells him not to bother. Immam asks him if he believes in god and he says something to the effect of,"you're not left to die in a trash can with your umbilical cord wrapped around your neck or spend most of your life in slam and not believe in god. I absolutely believe in god and I hate the f-k-r."
Of course, in Pitch Black we don't know about the prophecy of the once young necromancer who learns he will be the leader of the group but he will die at the hands of a Furian male child, which leads the Lord Vargo, who was a minion of sorts to hunt down every male child born on Furyion (sp?) and literally killed them along with any pregnant mothers and eventually what he believes is the entire race on the planet in order to prevent his future death at the hands of a male Furian child.
If you think about it, Riddick had every right to be hard & basically pissed at the world considering what the world showed him. Granted, nobody is entitled to a living; hwr, when someone suffers that kind of annihilation, it's no wonder he turned out as he did. As he said to (Judi Dench) the air elemental in Chronicles of Riddick, "Sister, they don't know what to do with one of me," and the others with her when they asked if he knew of any others from his planet or of his race.
It's a case of nature/nurture. There were neither in his case so he turned to the primitive ingrained aspect of every human and animal and that is the desire to survive by any and all methods necessary, including taking lives when someone tries to take yours.
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I haven't wikied it either, but I was just thinking the shot of the first swarm looks a lot like 300
shareThat was the whole point of his comment to Jack after they escaped, "Riddick died on that planet." It wasn't that he was creating a tale to tell whoever picked them up, it was his admission that her sacrifice for him transformed him.
shareI like to think that he stabbed her just like if a bear was chasing a friend and me, I would probably trip him to save myself.Wow. That's some sick $#!+
not sure what movie you watched, BUt Riddick actually liked Carolyn.
and was very upset when she died. I thin he went back to those in teh cave
since it was the last thing that she had asked of him.
I don't think Riddick killed Fry because its a look of shock and sadness on his face when she's carried off and the fact he left with a big goodbye too I felt like that was a little nod to fry because they was nothing else he could do.
I have to admit Pitch black is one of my faves defos in my top ten.
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I do think he stabbed her or put her in the path of the alien.
He didn't want to do it but it came down to him or her and he chose himself in the end. He changed during the course of the movie a bit and was willing to risk his life to protect some of the other crew men but if it came down to him or one of them I think he would still choose himself.
You can like someone and regret having to kill them to save yourself but still kill them for that reason.
How do I get these ideas? It's like a gift, you know? It's like I can't control it.
Yeah I think he chose himself for sure. That what sucked about it... But it makes him human in a way.
shareRiddick did not kill Carolyn. The movie is about a man's redemption.
Carolyn attracted Riddick's interest because she was like him, only interested in self preservation. The fact that she was able to change and become more noble (saving her soul), gave him the power to change himself. She was also the first human being that he cared about in a very long time.
I know people like the idea of Riddick as he was first presented, a ruthless criminal. However his character does not remain that way. Again the film is about his coming back to civilization not retreating from it.
You are right,Riddick did not kill Carolyn. I don't see how anyone could think that he did stab her!
shareI don't believe that he stabbed her, but it sure does look like he does.
The scene goes as follows:
Riddick is struggling to walk and she is trying to carry/help him to the ship. As she is struggling we hear a "thump" and the camera goes to blood dripping on the ground. Riddick straight-faces her. Back to blood dripping on the ground. Riddick still straight-facing. Then coming from the sky one of the aliens looks as if its coming for an attack and pulls her away. Riddick starts calling out about how her death wasn't for him, but walks away appearing healthier than ever. Get's on the ship and blasts some aliens.
I watched it for the first time JUST now and I had to go on here and see if I was the only one who thought that he stabbed her.
However I agree, it makes no sense plot wise and for character development. So again, I don't think he stabbed her.
I was always under the impression that you're supposed to think he stabbed her, just for a few seconds, before it turns out the alien got her. So I can see why people might make the mistake.
This whole "he moved her into the path of the alien" thing, on the other hand, seems to be a classic case of "I have an opinion that the evidence doesn't support, so I'll twist it around a bit to try and make it fit."
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Riddick neither stabbed her nor did he put Carolyn in harms way to protect himself. It was the aliens sharp knife-like long nose that penetrated through!
that is whay after that scene, Riddick says "Not for me"!
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