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why can't the muslims be left alone ?

posted 12 years ago by salman8
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Everywhere I turn there is so much hate for muslims. When a Muslim commits a crime it is labelled "terrorism" but anybody else it is just a crime, the shooting that killed 70+ in Norway for example. 9/11 Is what caused all of this, I respect all those who have died and I am 100% sorry against what happened on that day, but in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Pakistan (drone attacks) so many, all together perhaps more than a million have been killed. None of this is aired in the media, none of this is taken into consideration. Why do you think the Muslims reacted in this way? Not because "Oh, let's kill some non Muslims because thats what the Quran tells us to do" it is because that is the only option they have! I am a muslim and no way in hell would I ever think of killing somebody because they are not Muslim, I think that is disgusting and ignorant. and what are you american doing ? you ruined iraq, afghanistan, now Osama is dead ... y don't you just leave them alone ? y don't u stop drone attacks in Pakistan. terrorist would leave america, as soon as you leave their countries.

[–] Punisher55 12 years ago

Im an American and quite frankly agree. We need to stop being the world police and control everything in the world. Just do us a small favor, stop stoning women to death and stripoing them of their rights. Thats on you my friend.

[–] salman8 12 years ago

"stop stoning women to death and stripoing them of their rights"

I don't know who told you that Muslims stone their women to death ..Islam preaches about equality for either of the genders .. no where in the Quran it is mentioned to violate the feminine rights .. even Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) keep urging the followers to be good with their wives , mother and daughters .. respect them, treat them with the best u can.

If any religion forces its followers to respect women and to preserve their rights, It`s Islam .. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) has had the most of his speeches emphasizing the significance of relationships (Mother n father)..
once he said " the heaven`s beneath the feet of your mother"
this statement speaks for it self that how much respect and grace Islam gives to women..!!

and by the way.. if u think in your society women have all the rights that they deserve to have.. sorry to say they dont.. exposing thier body to give pleasure to Men .. is never fulfilling their rights .. its actually the violation which leads to the worst ..!!

[–] neo2005 12 years ago

Arguing that giving women liberties violates them is frankly absurd.

Concerning Mohammad: He did personally order the stoning of (at least) one woman. I don't quite remember if she had come to him admitting adultery or apostasy, but it was one of the two. Which is not a very nice thing to do.

And concerning the casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq: You do realize that these people are almost always casualties of terrorist attacks perpetrated by muslims (though maybe not always religiously motivated), right?

[–] CoyDog 11 years ago

salman8 says "...no where in the Quran it is mentioned to violate the feminine rights...".

What about verse 34 of Surah an-Nisa in the Quran:

“ Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great

Translation by Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri

Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... but for Wales?

[–] SnoozeAlarm 10 years ago

>>> I don't know who told you that Muslims stone their women to death

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[–] James_1001 12 years ago

"Oh, let's kill some non-muslim because that's what the Quran tells us to" you say.

Well (depending on the translation from arabic to enlish, I guess), much of the quran encourages, or at least mentions, violence AGAINST a person who is a non believer, a non muslim, an infidel. It's only natural that people would feel threatened by that.

Although I do agree with you that there is a bit of an over-saturation by the media on the violent deeds done by Islam, I still don't like it. I don't like anything abiout it, nor do I feel happy knowing that it is the fastest growing religion in the world. Religion degrades human beings. It belongs in history books, not in the minds of billions of people today.

Muslims can't be left alone because they shouldn't be. Nor should Christians, Catholics or (and I doubt anyone will mind me saying this) mormons.

[–] salman8 12 years ago

"much of the Quran encourages, or at least mentions, violence AGAINST a person who is a non believer, a non muslim, an infidel".

I completely disagree with u .. most part of the Quran speaks about stories of Prophets, their sacrifices to prevent their people going astray .. to guide the people to choose the right path .. that includes Adam, Noha, Jesus, Moses , Abraham, David, Muhammad (may peace be upon all) and so on.. the logic behind telling these stories, is to let the readers realize how the prophets of God made their lives committed to lead the humanity to the righteousness..!!
yes..!! there are some chapters where Allah almighty addresses to kill infidels and non-believers BUT .. there are regulations and conditions.. If it was in Quran to kill every non-believer, there would be no one left in this world but the believers.. and i would not be explaining you all about this and you would have killed by some of the "believer" long time ago
as far as "Religion degrades human beings".

you can not blame religion for your faults and failure.. no religion in the world "degrades" its followers .. it rather motivates them.. encourages them to do good deeds and to make them feel confident. there are some things which a human can not do all by himself , so he needs some sort of "miracles" to make things happen , and happen good for him.. who does that ? God does..!!
it`s actually the reward of what ever good deeds he has done for others..!!
Religion just show you the path .. its up to you that how you make it affective to go successful or ruin your life by figuring it all wrong.
Don't look at the followers to judge the religion .. !!
IF YOU WANT TO JUDGE ISLAM .. DON'T ANALYZE MUSLIMS..
ANALYZE THE PROPHET [MUHAMMAD (PBUH)] ..!!

[–] James_1001 12 years ago

I did not mean that religion degrades its followers. I meant that the followers of religions degrade the human race as a whole. The fact that people are so easily convinced of something as stupid as islam or christianity is really sad. Especially in this day and age.

And, since you brought it up, what things could humans not have done on our own without miracles? Name some of these miracles.

[–] figaro8 12 years ago

Muslims are hypocrites. In Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and other such places, I have seen Mohammedans in the long white flowing garb drinking pints of beer and hard alcohol cocktails, and drooling over Eastern European women dressed in minskirts singing awful 80s and 90s pop tunes in bands, again with no Arabs playing the instruments. The table service was from Filipino or Thai women and girls, also in tight skirts and shirts. No Arab women were to be seen. They were all at home, or if they were in the street, they were hidden in the black garb with a slit for eyesight. Granted, some had the face open. Mohammedans are the biggest hypocrites of all the religions.
Europe is waking up, albeit very slowly. Every country has a Party which realizes what you people intend. Slowly, but surely, we are waking up, and you will experience another "Reconquestra" as in 1492.
USA may be another thing. In USA, Mohammedans are car mechanics and 24 hour milk store merchants. Western people purchase beer from these Mohammedans at 2am and they laugh at us. Well, in USA it is one thing, but the movement has started in Europe.

[–] fino134 12 years ago

"drinking pints of beer and hard alcohol cocktails"
drinking alcohol is widely not accepted in Arab counties even among Arab Christians..and yes it's forbidden in Islam but people of all religions don't follow their religious teachings literally.. don't tell me you, yourself, are a true Christian or what ever your faith is!
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"They were all at home, or if they were in the street, they were hidden in the black garb with a slit for eyesight"
sorry but it's a lie 'cause you've never been there, because of so, you'll see unveiled women more than men in streets..there is no such country except KSA which is even changing now.
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" singing awful 80s and 90s pop tunes"
it's your (western) tunes, then it's your fault for these awful tunes.
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"The table service was from Filipino or Thai women"
that's because Gulf countries' people are rich and needn't work in such professions (no offence against Filipino and Thai)
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" In USA, Mohammedans are car mechanics and 24 hour milk store merchants"
agree, but please do some more effort and google some Arab names such as Essam Heggy, Elias Zerhouni, Ahmed Zewail, ans so many other names just to mention some.
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"Europe is waking up"
How?!!

So, where's the Cannes Film Festival being held this year?

[–] olaf110 12 years ago

sooner or later this will be settled here in europe. it is just two possibilities left. first is to give away our countries to the moslem flood or second to take the rifle and kill them all or die trying. it is better to die defending the free world than to let them take over the world,

[–] Bobby_vs_Satan 12 years ago

I also find the arguments about how Islam cherishes women is absurd as well. I guess it all depends on the definition of cherish. Cherished as a possession or cherished as in saving them from their own base instincts to degrade themselves. Cherished as in rape victims who are "honor" killed by their own family's! It's beyond ridiculous. I've never come across so many boys in men's bodies as Middle Eastern men. My Middle Eastern landlord had no problems insulting my Mother who had come to help extricate from a lease as I was living in what was a crack infested, drug building. I didn't want to get arrested and have more problems with my lease so I didn't come around his desk and knock him out. This was not the only instance I have had of a Middle Eastern male getting overly aggressive and emotional when trying to resolve an issue. They've built up an entire culture to serve their whim's and desires and cloak it all in B.S. religious righteousness.

I will say though that mob mentality is not a religious thing. It's a human thing. Just watch any riot at a soccer match.

I also think the U.S has done it's fair share of heinous crap under the veil of foreign relations and spreading democracy. Or should I say controlling resources. I also believe the until the U.S. gets off it's own righteous high horse about our actions around the world maybe we can start some honest attempts at finding more middle ground.

But I don't believe that the Islam is just about peace and forgiveness. I believe it has a doctrine of conversion and is proven again and again to be prone to violence and hysteria. If Muslim's so believed in peace and abhorred violence why do they never expose or halt their own criminal/terrorist elements? A press release does not count as action. They hide, at will, among the people. If Muslim's policed themselves with anything approaching their supposed beliefs the U.S. and other western countries wouldn't have a leg to stand on in the international community to police and militarize Muslim territory.

[–] a-b-sosnowski 10 years ago

In Egypt, 'Islamist' groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood are banned and torrorism is being fought - the extremists are bombing and killing Egyptian soldiers and police. It was a near thing that Egypt was falling into an Islamist regime...they were slowly implementing Sharia in its extreme- banning opera, ballet, even suggesting covering up the Pyramids and ancient Egyptian statues ('idolatry')! The
people rejected it. It's maybe a 'military' leadership now, but way a better option than a theocracy (like Iran , but Sunni)- the Brotherhood wanted to form a
caliphate- sound familiar?

[–] salman8 11 years ago

we don't want ur world ... everyone know that its u guys who want to rule the world (which is never going to happen) if america really want peace then they should stop playing world police ... this world sucks only becuase US policies ... if u just don't interfere with other country there will be no chaos ...

[–] olaf110 11 years ago

millions of moslems flooding our world here in europe. the muslims dont let us allone. they invade the western world and living on our expenses and sucking us dry. it is just a matter of time until there will be a clash. you are right that america should not interfere in the middle east. america should let theese people allone. but america and europe should fight theese people here. just a matter of time my friend. i dont have a problem with moslems in their own countries. but they dont stay there. the wage war into the western world. so there will be war someday. i dont know who will stay left. but i would fight to death to bee free and against the invasion.

[–] yusef-ghanima 10 years ago

seven lines you wrote could have been summarized in two words, you're racist.

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