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When Conan explains the murders...


I'm sorry if this has been brought up already, but I didn't exactly have time (nor did I feel the need...) to go through each and every single thread here.

I just wanted to see if anyone else noticed that when Conan (disguised as Richard) explains how a murderer killed someone, and reveals the identity of the murderer, the only thing they (the... murderer, for lack of better word?) do is stand there with their mouths open and pupils dilated? Now, I have nothing against the show, but this has been bothering me. Not only is it rather dull (they seem to do that every episode.) but it's not very... well, realistic? If you were a murderer, and someone suddenly revealed to an entire room of people what you did, would you just stand there? I dunno, I would've run out of there as fast as I could to avoid embarassment/shame...But that's just me.

Another thing that bothers me is that when Conan realizes just what happened. The writers seem to be trying just a little too hard to conceal the identity of the person until the very last minute. Like in the episode where Conan and Harley are snooping around in Rolind's room, when they each realize what happened, who did it, etcetc, Conan and Harley simply go "Rolind didn't murder Mitchell, did he?"{Harley} "No, unless it's the first time in history that a deadman's commited murder."{Conan/Kudo}

They don't even confirm it with each other. For all we/they know, Harley thinks it's Zoe and Conan/Kudo thinks it's Zelda. (neither of which are the perpetraters, I just don't wanna give out any spoilers to people who haven't seen the ep)

Now that isn't the best example, but I can't exactly think of any better ones right now. But the bottom line is, no normal person would think "Oh, I get it! THAT person killed {name}, not {other name}!" Atleast, I don't think they would. In my opinion, if someone was investigating a murder, and realized who did it, they would go, "Oh, THAT person did it!" They'd go, "Oh, so {name} did it!"

But, like i said, these are my own opinions. That's how I would think, and so i could be wrong, since everyone tyhinks differently... Feel free to offer up any arguments, i don't mind~<3

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Yes, you're right. The murderers seem to just stand there, don't they? The way I see it, is that they stand there in absolute shock because Richard (or Conan ) saw straight through their rock-solid alibis. I mean, if you committed a murder and totally went out of your way to create a perfect alibi by cleverly framing someone else with hard evidence or by just having a seemingly innocent and reliable "accomplice" vouch for you (ex. saying: "Yes, he/she [the murderer] was with me out of town when the murder was committed), wouldn't you stand there looking with awe/shock after (even with all your careful planning) your perfect alibi was still cracked?

How did he do it? How? Can he read my mind? That's what I'd think.

This could also be looked at another way, right? For example, "The killer is none other than Professor Hyde White!", after hearing that, the murderer would just stand there with eyes wide open. Then, the detective (Jimmy/Conan/Richard) would go on explaining how he solved the case (all the while, the murderer standing there with an open mouth and wide eyes).

Why doesn't he just run away upon hearing his name? Well, the reason could be that he just wants to hear how the detective figured it out. That way, he could simply say, "That's ridiculous! I wasn't even in town when the murder was committed!"

Then, BOOM! The detective reveals the one piece of evidence that truly proves that Professor Hyde White is the murderer. But ho! The murderer is still standing there. Why? Probably 'cause he thought that his alibi would never be cracked in a million years!

Some stay there because they're in absolute shock.... but others stay because the guilt is too much for them. They'd rather pay for their sins and serve prison. They just sort of give a Touche'!. But not always, mind you. They tend to either cry and say why they committed the murder. When that's out of the way, they accept their defeat and the consequences they will face. They're brave. (Too bad that in real life most murderers are cowardly)

There are others (in the show), however, who are indeed cowardly. Like in the first episode. The man in the wheelchair (who did not have a broken foot) decided to run away upon being revealed. But the coward didn't count on Jimmy kicking a globe to the back of his head. In other cases, the murderers try to take their own lives so they won't serve their time in prison, but they have a change of heart (like in Prickly Past) or their suicide attempts fail (like in Mysterious Masked Murder part 2 ).

And who cares if the writers try hard to conceal the identity of the murderer(s)? That what I love about the show! The fact that it usually keeps you guessing until the last minute. If Conan/Jimmy just said (or thought), "So that's it. Emily (ex.) did it!", then what would be the point of continuing to watch if we (the viewers) already knew who did it.

It's called "suspense" and "drama"....the writers do this to keep you hooked until the end. Remember those episodes of Scooby-Doo where Velma and Fred would figure out who the masked villain was, but without saying the name? You (the viewer) would just be wondering like crazy who the villain was until the moment when he/she was unmasked.

Yes, Harley and Conan could have had different people in mind, but you know, they're great detectives. As the saying goes, "Great minds think alike."

But as I recall, in one episode (No Immunity for the Diplomat Part 2, to be exact) they had a different conclusion for the case. Jimmy's conclusion, of course, was correct. (That was an awesome episode, was it not? The ending sure sucked...I cried and I yelled at the tv. Lmao! )

If you just have any doubt in your mind, just assume that Harley and Conan simply discussed the identity of the murderer off-camera in Mysterious Masked Murder part 2.

And hey, if anything of this show should bother you, it should be the fact that nobody ever seems to notice that Richard's lips are not moving while he's explaining the murder. I can understand why they wouldn't comment on his closed eyes, but the mouth I just simply don't understand. LOL!

I must say, I enjoyed your post. You discussed your peeves with such maturity. If everyone was like this, I'd join every message board about shows/movies/games I could find!
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Sometimes, the murderers stay around in a last-ditch effort to prove their alibi, such as in "Dr. Date's Train Trick" and "The Ojamanbo Murder Case," where the murderers argue with Richard/Conan to try and prove his theory is wrong, and then are just... beaten by logic.

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the thing about detective conan is that most of the murders tend to be sympathetic characters who are propelled to commit the murder out of a strong sense of revenge for something. most of them aren't murdering people for nothing.

the act of uncovering them as murderer by kogoro (conan) is like someone poking a needle into a balloon over a sticky tape. instead of bursting, if you poke a balloon without a sticky tape, the balloon actually slowly deflates. the murderers tend to see their end coming and accept that they've been caught, hence they don't try to run away or hide in shame, but accept that fact and then reveal their motive to garner that sympathetic light.

about heiji hattori and conan thinking alike, yea... i agree with the other guy, "great minds think alike". they must have thought of what might have happened and over the clues and evidences found out who the murderer is. as the tag line goes, "there can only be one truth"~

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They can't make every case perfect, so you have to keep that in mind. I'm not sure if they're playing tricks on you or not, but I think the good ones are the ones that become obvious upon rewatch. But then, again, that might be a hindsight bias.

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As for most of the murderers, it's just a deer caught in headlights sitch. They probably thought that if they can outsmart someone for so long, they're homefree, then one second later, Conan figures it out. :)

As for the Harley/Conan thing. Great minds think alike. Kudo and Hattori/Hartwell both as striving to be lifelong detectives and they're already friends/competition so it's not as if one of them would be totally off most of the time. Sometimes Harley/Heiji gets it wrong.

Of course, that's just for the sake of the viewers at home to have a few more minutes to figure it out. (which..I practically never do until he explains the evidence, then I say the murderer along with him) but since he's thinking it, he doesn't have to shout it out (even in his head) he knows what he's thinking :) I often leave sentances unfinished when I'm talking to myself and leave everyone's name out. :)

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If someone accused me of murder and began their explanation of why, I'd definitely bolt.

After all, it sure would make me look entirely free of guilt, and it's not like there are cops around who know my name, what I look like and can find out a dozen more things about me.

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Well, on the whole Hattori/Kudou issue, they actually mentioned in the manga that they're both extremely well-known in Japan - Hattori is the 'Great Detective from the West', and Kudou is the 'Great Detective from the East'. Plus, both of them are well-versed in Sherlock Holmes, and at least Kudou wanted to become a detective because of reading those mysteries.

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I just like how every single time he explains it, they immediately go from "It's absurd that you'd even think I could do it." to "You don't have any solid evidence.", they might as well say "OH WELL, YA CAUGHT ME!"

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I did enjoy this anime at the time, but even as a kid I realized its stupidity and lack of realistic scenes/behaviours/characters.

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I can see where you're coming from but I don't think that's necessarily the case. I believe people think that they're capable of getting away with murder, so to say. They have it in their mind they outsmarted the average , and when it's revealed who the culprit is, they're in disbelief and shock that they're been outed.

I know it's not the same but if you watch cold case the characters kind of act the same when they've been figured out.

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