Obviously some people have never seen a real fight! It could go either way if they were fighting for real, you know! Don't just speculate based on one man, ONE man's skills, please!
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Because one never knows the true outcome of a real fight. Like, some guys say: Wow, that guy would kick that guy's ass, but again, you never know.
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"every single person on the set admitted that Jet moved so fast Mel Gibson couldn't even see his punches."
How do you know that?
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You can't rely on publicity interviews. Especially when a foreign star is in the movie, all the cast members tell you how good he is, no matter what is the truth. If Mel Gibson would be an actor in a Chinese movie, the Chinese filmmakers would say how good actor and how funny guy he is, because that's what he's famous for.
Actually I'm quite surprised Jet said such a thing. It seems rude, and I doubt that a punch can't be seen.
It's possible. Especially on camera.
"All right, ramblers. Get rambling."
Jet li is a trained martial artist who started winning national titles when he was 12. In China. Against men in their 20s. He's fast as hell.
Mel Gibson, on the other hand, is a chain smoking ACTOR. As is the charter Riggs.
This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.
Because one never knows the true outcome of a real fight. Like, some guys say: Wow, that guy would kick that guy's ass, but again, you never know.
Yeah, this.
Not sure what people mean by "a real fight." Real fights aren't decided by umpires taking careful notes to determine who has the superior fighting style and then handing out a final grade. If I attack someone who's much weaker and slower than me, slip on some ice, and fall down long enough for him to hit me with a big blunt heavy object, that's a real fight. I'd probably be screaming "OH COME ON!" or "THIS IS BULL$#!T!" for weeks, but there you are.
What would've happened if Wah Sing Ku hadn't thrown Riggs down right next to a machine gun? I don't know. He did throw Riggs down right next to a machine gun. What would've happened if he'd fought Riggs one-on-one instead of being ganged up on by the both of them? I don't know. He was ganged up on by the both of them. What would've happened if he hadn't been blinded with rage at his brother's death and fought with a clear mind? I don't know. He was blinded with rage at his brother's death.
That man is playing Galaga! Thought we wouldn't notice. But we did.
In my opinion, it matters not who would actually win. This movie contained one of the best and, again in my opinion, one of the most realistic fight scenes ever.
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PLEASE...We all know Mel would rip this guy a new one in real life easy.
"GET OFF MY PLANE!!!"
mmm hard to compare. jet is very well trained and can be deadly with his skills i bet but again if mel wanted to be i bet he could be do some damage.
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for a typical brawler anger might be the fuel for every fight but for martial artists anger and strong emotions for that matter does no good to one's techniques and skills. Jet Li may have been a good fighter, much better than Mel or Glover, but I think its his anger that caused him to lose in the end. He was just so emotional shaken up by the loss of his brother, and you can just see that clearly in his face throughout the fight scene. As for the two cops, they have to say the least years of fighting experience on their belts and they were more emotionally stable. Both put together, they would have stood a chance against jet li. Wouldnt be an easy fight for either party, but both sides would have a chance for sure.
shareWhat's being debated here? Jet versus Mel or his movie character versus Riggs?
Quantum Of Solace - the amount of comfort.
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Uh....guys....Li's character actually DID win this fight, because Riggs couldn't beat him physically-so he had to shoot him. Or did everyone go braindead and forget that?
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it was only because roger managed to stab him with that spike thing and because riggs got lucky in having an ak47 (that somehow still worked underwater) right by his hand. if it had just been fists, heads and feet. Li would have won for sure!
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shareAs far as I know, AK-47s are the most reliable machine-gun EVER, and can even fire after being run over by a truck.
So I wouldn't doubt the AK-47's ability to fire underwater.
Yes, Jet Li is a trained Wushu master. He has learned many styles available within the Wushu arts. And I think that somebody who has trained for more than 30 years (and competed in tournaments) can be qualified as a skilled fighter.
And a skilled fighter can always beat a non skilled fighter with ease. Do you think that in a real fight a skilled fighter suddenly would forget all the techniques he has learned. And don't you think that a skilled fighter woudl have more experience in controlling his emotions than a non skilled fighter. As far as i know Mel Gibson is not a skilled fighter so he would get beaten.
And as for the wire things. Go watch "Fist of Legend". No wire in sight. And you see a whole other Jet Li that uses more realistic fighting techniques. Even when it is choregraphed you can't deny that Jet Li posseses some serious skill.
I normally don't even respond to these.
But everyone keeps mentioning Jet Li and Mel Gibson and their reported skills.
So get this back on track.
Jet Li was Wah Sing Ku, part of the Chinese Mafia. An obviously very practiced and skilled in actual fighting, which many people say Jet Li is not.
Whereas Martin Riggs was an expert in Jiu Jitsu, Tia Chi, and all that killer stuff (quoting Murtaugh in the first movie).
His role in the war, was also not that of a normal soldier, but a trained assassin. And obviously he was trained to be this.
So ok, Riggs was older and slower as the whole theme of the movie was to show.
But it was two against one. And Riggs and Murtaugh have never yet lost a fight to anyone, no matter how many against them there are (Murtaugh takes on three people himself in his house at the end of 2).
Therefore the fight is not that cut and dry when you look at all the above.
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The only reason Jet Li (Wah Sing Ku) lost was because Murtaugh ran him through with a chunk of rebar. Also, I thought that guns work like that under water.
shareI think that final fight was awesome ...i remember watching it when i was younger and thinking how deadly Jet Li's character was ....i felt afraid for riggs and Murtaugh cos i loved there characters so much ..i thought they are sooo gonna get killed here!
people say that any fighter is capable of beating another fighter on any given day!
how many boxing fights or kick boxing fights have we seen in REAL LIFE ..were the champion has accidently broken his wrist or ankle in a fight and left him Vulnerable to an Underdog?
we have all seen fights were the underdog has won a person who everybody thought was unbeatable !
just an example off the top of my head is Mike Tyson when he was young and up and coming everybody thought he was unbeatable ..i personally think alot of his opponents were intimidated and pysched out before they even got in the ring thats why they lost!!
one opponent of tysons even got the soles of his boots sponcerd by a company cos he was so sure he would be knocked out!
if you want to be realistic ..yes Jet Li is an awesome fighter .. you can not question his skills ...but if it was real i dont care how fast of a fighter you are NOOOO WAY can you dodge a bullet lol ....so realistically he would of been dead or fatally injured when Murtaugh fired his last bullet at him.
anyway you have to remember it was two against one, Riggs and murtaugh Against Jet Li ....Riggs is an amature boxer , he was a trained soldier in nam .. so he probably had combat experiance and training
Also we have seen Riggs have lots of Fights and brawls with bad guys in all four of the lethal weapons films! so hes an experianced fighter
Also Murtaugh has his police training ....and ok i realise they AGED danny glover with make up to make him appear older than he was to play Murtaugh ..but if you have ever seen predator 2 or Poor Boys Game you will realise that Danny glover was and still is in fantastic condition ..hes toned and muscular
But i remember Jackie Chan complaining about western stunt men when he first came to hollywood ....jackie chan said they were so slow compared to hong kong stunt men jackie chan said he could throw 3 or 4 punches to a big muscular american stunt guys One punch.
but jackie chan in his autobiography also admit thats despite all his training and fight skills he could not take on dozens of men all at once like does in his films ... he once crossed paths with some chinese triads ( hong kong mafia ) he said there was only a few of them but he knew he had no chance.
i think the fight at the end of lethal weapon 4 is a classic ..one of the best fights ever put to screen
if you remember Jet Li had already kicked Mel gibsons ass earlier in the movie ...if i remember correctly he took mel gibsons gun apart in seconds then beat both him and danny glover up
I think the final showdown ...was sort of Riggs and murtaurghs last ever challange ...they had been defeated once and could easily of ran off ...but even tho they knew they were fighting a trained superior fighter and killer they had the balls to say you beat us once ..come and try that again
and Mel gibson in his youth used to be an alcoholic and a bar brawler...he turned up for his casting session for Mad Max with a face wrapped up in badages and black eyes... thats how they knew he was perfect for the part
and if you remember in the first lethal weapon Riggs also knew some kind of martial art im just not sure which one?? ...i remember Maurtaugh describing all of Riggs skills in the first lethal weapon ....Riggs is supposed to be a REAL LETHAL WEAPON ...hence the name of the movie!!
after the first movie tho the writers seemed to forget about his martial arts skills and made him a slugger lol
Okay, two answers:
In real life, Gibson vs Li, Jet could, and in all probability, would take him out in a real fight (ie not movie releted but in the ring full-contact anything counts UFC rules). If Gibson got lucky and landed a haymaker (like Chuck Liddell the other night...dayam, he just dropped) and caught Jet just right, then conceivably, Mel could do it. That's why I understand when people say in an actual fight, it could go either way, I agree. BUT! As stated, Jet should and would win it. And to that poster that disagreed with the cast all saying that Mel couldn't keep up. That actually was true. Mel HIMSELF even said, and I quote (I believe from entertaiment weekly) "He's incredibly fast. I mean, I know some stuff (I'm assuming he's refering to his real-life training in akido I think it is) but he's just..." and trails off.
Second answer:
In the movie, Riggs vs Jet's character (can't remember his name) at the end was contructed fairly correct. It was two on one, and it's not like Rog himself was doing martial arts. When Rog lifted Jet off the ground to try and pin him against the wall while Riggs recovered was a good tactic since it took his base away, but of course left Rog wide open to get beat the hell out of (which he did).
I will say that, has it NOT been 2 on 1, Riggs would've probably got got. I mean, he did need an AK to finish him off, DESPITE Jet having been harpooned moments earlier. So even in the movie reality, Riggs would lose.
michael bay...EXPLOSIONS!
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It's not Mel Gibson and Danny Glover VS Jet-Li, it's Riggs and Murtaugh VS Jet-Li's character (I don't know the characters name).
Riggs is tough as hell and experienced in combat and fighting so he stood a good chance despite not being at his physical peak.
Even though Murtaugh was old he is still a big guy and someone his size throwing full force haymakers at a guy the size of Jet-Li is gonna do some serious damage.
This is one of my very favourite fight scenes in movie history, wonderfully choreorgraphed, realistic and absolutely intense, everything a good fight scene should be.
My money is on Riggs and Murtaugh. Jet's character is tough, and a better martial artist, but he's a street thug, and quite small. Riggs is aging and Murtaugh is getting up there in years, but Riggs is well-built and Murtaugh is a HUGE guy, even if he doesn't look it. Riggs and Murtaugh are both Vietnam combat veterans, Murtaugh has been shot and tortured and been in many fights and shootouts. Riggs is a Special Forces vet and did lots of "wetwork" in the Phoenix Program. He's a pretty good martial artist and has been in many scraps, he's been stabbed in the leg, tortured with electrocution, killed someone using only his legs, has been shot multiple times, and is almost as tough as John McClane!
One-on-one against Jet's character, it's a toss-up, but against BOTH of them at the same time? He's not Darth Maul. They'd throw him around like a ragdoll.
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