Anakin is a big problem for me


Okay, I like Revenge of the Sith. Yes, it is the best of the prequels (though that's not saying much), but this movie does have some of the same problems as the rest of the prequels. But there is one thing that is my biggest issue with the prequels: Anakin Skywalker. Now I want to like Hayden Christiansen in movies he is in, but sadly his acting hasn't impressed me. The only time his performance as Anakin worked was when he doesn't speak and only uses facial expressions. This worked to portray through body language. Though my source wouldn't be him to blame as I blame this on bad writing and bad direction. I know people are sick of complaining why this character sucks (Darth Vader in the originals is awesome. I'm talking about Anakin in the prequels. And yes, Anakin is a thousand times better in the Clone Wars series.), but really this character is supposed to be the main focus of the story. So can someone please tell me why I should sympathize about this annoying, whiny douchebag who was evil to begin with? What do I mean by evil to begin with? Well, let's see: he bitched about the Jedi, talked a lot about betraying the Jedi and the Chancellor, murdered women and children in cold blood and even admitted this in front of Padme. Also why the hell is she in love with this psycho? He stares at her creepy and watches her sleep (don't care if he is a bodyguard. Its still creepy), turns him down a lot, goes back and forth on feelings that feels contradictory in every scene and like I said earlier, he admitted to murdering women and children. And the films don't even show why they are in love. The only time that it felt even close to feeling they were lovers to me was the scene she revealed her pregnancy and the bit where they stare in different buildings from a distance silently. Other than that, why should I care about this romance again or his downfall? His betrayal to the dark side was incredibly rushed and one sided (again why should I care or be shocked that he turns evil when he was already evil?).

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The answer to any questions regarding Episodes 1, 2, and 3 is because George Lucas didn't have Gary Kurtz or Lawrence Kasdan.

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The answer to any questions regarding Episodes 1, 2, and 3 is because George Lucas didn't have Gary Kurtz or Lawrence Kasdan.
I doubt the real brains behind Star Wars were the producer of Slipstream and the writer of Wyatt Earp.

"Have to say, Jimmy - you turned into a real impressive fighter. If I was ol' Mengsk, I'd be runnin' scared from you, too."
"You really mean that, Tychus?"
"Nah. I was just kiddin'."

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I doubt the real brains behind Star Wars were the producer of Slipstream and the writer of Wyatt Earp.


He never said they were the "real brains." All he suggested was having them around to temper Lucas and his ideas was a good thing.

Also, if you're going to criticize them for having some mediocre movies in their filmography, well what makes George off limits in this regard. This is the man who wrote "Radioland Murders," produced "Howard the Duck," and had a major hand in "Red Tails." And that's not even getting into the prequels.

It also doesn't detract form both Kurtz and Kasdan's other accomplishments, like producing Return to Oz and Dark Crystal for Kurtz (both of which may not have been successful at the time but have gone on to be cult classics), and writing and directing "The Big Chill" and "Silverado" for Kasdan.

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Let's not forget the universally reviled animated film - 'Strange Magic'.

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Also, if you're going to criticize them for having some mediocre movies in their filmography, well what makes George off limits in this regard. This is the man who wrote "Radioland Murders," produced "Howard the Duck," and had a major hand in "Red Tails." And that's not even getting into the prequels.

It also doesn't detract form both Kurtz and Kasdan's other accomplishments, like producing Return to Oz and Dark Crystal for Kurtz (both of which may not have been successful at the time but have gone on to be cult classics), and writing and directing "The Big Chill" and "Silverado" for Kasdan.
You are right, of course. I'm simply applying the same standards as those who say that the prequels prove that Lucas was never the genius everyone thought he was.

"Have to say, Jimmy - you turned into a real impressive fighter. If I was ol' Mengsk, I'd be runnin' scared from you, too."
"You really mean that, Tychus?"
"Nah. I was just kiddin'."

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Christensen actually acted fairly well in this movie. It was really in AOTC were his acting was bad, and I attribute a lot of it to that horrendous dialogue and Lucas' terrible direction. When output is that bad and juvenile, I blame the director more than the actors. Also, I think a few of the other more seasoned actors weren't so good in these movies. Portman, McGregor, and Jackson were pretty poor for large parts of these films.

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why the hell is she in love with this psycho?

You can't choose who you fall in love with.

our world is full of women dating complete loosers.

"He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"

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"You can't choose who you fall in love with."

Wow, you just insulted every good relationship in film history or any good relationship in real life.

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murdered women and children in cold blood


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121765/board/thread/263509672

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annoying, whiny douchebag who was evil to begin with?


You think Anakin was evil in episode 1?

Also why the hell is she in love with this psycho?


He saved her life and her homeworld of Naboo.

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You think Anakin was evil in episode 1?


The problem is any goodness Anakin shows in TPM (where he's played by an annoyingly wooden child actor) is undermined by the time skip and recasting. Anakin appears in AOTC and is essentially a whole new character, and it's compounded by George's decision to skip over all the development in those years that would have allowed us to really appreciate why he is the way he is now.

He saved her life and her homeworld of Naboo.


So wait, she fell in love with him when he was 9 and she was 14? How many 14 year old girls do you know who develop crushes on 9 year old boys? The other way around, sure (or if it were a 9 year old girl crushing on a 14 year old boy), but the teenager crushing on the 9 year old? No, it just doesn't happen.

Then they haven't seen each other in 10 years, so she's likely to still think of him as that 9 year old kid she spent a week with. Grateful for his help in saving her planet (and by "help" I mean he destroyed the control ship purely by accident), but in love? Gimme a break.

Now if after seeing him 10 years later she were simply physically attracted to him, I'd buy it. But no, George deems that it needs to be love...and what follows is one of the worst attempts at a romance that you'll see in a major motion picture.

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The problem is any goodness Anakin shows in TPM (where he's played by an annoyingly wooden child actor) is undermined by the time skip and recasting. Anakin appears in AOTC and is essentially a whole new character, and it's compounded by George's decision to skip over all the development in those years that would have allowed us to really appreciate why he is the way he is now.


Is it really so difficult to fathom how magic powers and puberty as well as a childhood as a slave and an adolescence as a monk can turn a kid like that?

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When he's this kind, good-natured boy (regardless of how poor the performance is, even by child actor standards) in TPM, yeah, a bit. He already had his "magical powers" then too, which allowed him to see things before they happened. It also doesn't excuse skipping over all that development that would have helped the audience connect with him and understand why he's this way now. If being a Jedi, something he was thrilled about the prospect of in TPM, turned out to not be what he thought it would, then we should be shown that. But instead we see him act like an ass, which results in Obi-Wan being justifiably stern with him. That's it. They also talk about how he's an arrogant hot-head, which his actions demonstrate, while meanwhile he just complains about Kenobi being a meany-head. It's only made worse by George relegating the development and justification of Anakin's new personality to off-screen events and expects us to just accept it despite what was shown in the previous film.

It also doesn't excuse the fact that Anakin is a completely distrubing creeper in AOTC. He has no redeeming qualities here.

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I didn't think it was that much of a leap at all. Even if I hadn't read the various comics and novels that that place between TPM and AOTC, it makes perfect sense that Anakin wold be the way he is. In one of the comics, it was revealed that 12 year-old Anakin, out of frustration seeing people suffer while the Jedi have their hands tied, plus a few nudges from Uncle Palpatine, and taunts from other Padawans about his former slave status decided to leave the Jedi Order.

"Do you know how I joined the Order? I've never forgotten. My mother asked Qui-Gon if he would take if he would take me away, if I would become a Jedi. He said yes, and that was all. My entire life, decided right then, I was nine years. Qui-Gon said Jedi training was difficult, that it would be a hard life. I saw a magic man with a sword made out of light and a starship. I was a slave on a world made of dust. What was I going to say? No?"

If this doesn't sum it up, I don't know what does.


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So you claim that Anakin's personality being how it is circa AOTC makes perfect sense regardless of what happened during the 10 year time skip, but then need a comic set during that period to try and explain it? Kinda proving my point.

Again, we don't see any of this in the films. Anakin's interactions with the Jedi in AOTC amount to Kenobi being stern with him (which he has every reason to be given how Anakin acts), and the Council doling out orders. That's it. Classic rule in film: show, don't tell. We needed to see his relationship with other Jedi beyond the master-student dynamic he had with Kenobi (which we don't even get much of given that they separate after the first act). But hell, with some things the prequels don't even try to tell us.

As for Anakin's claim that his life was decided right then, no, he made the choice. You can argue he was a naive child, but his life was not decided purely by others.

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So you claim that Anakin's personality being how it is circa AOTC makes perfect sense regardless of what happened during the 10 year time skip, but then need a comic set during that period to try and explain it? Kinda proving my point.


I only bought the comic last year. I didn't need it to fill in the gaps, I'm simply using it as an example. It was pretty good. The films all take place in a smalltime frame, there's only so much you can cram into them, whereas books and comics don't have this limitation. The *Revenge of The Sith* novel was brilliant. If you haven't read it, I recommend it.

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Way to not address any of the other points I made. Or wait, does the novel explain these things? Because again, relying on supplementary material to properly explain things does not make the films or filmmaker look good.

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Also why the hell is she in love with this psycho?


He has a lot of good qualities, among his bad ones. They have a strong friendship from their childhood. He is smart and passionate and one of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. He is a war hero for saving Naboo with her, and all of the other countless things that he has accomplished.

Don't forget that she was in politics at a very young age. She has been surrounded by politicians and deceitful people her whole life. When she met Anakin, he was a very genuine and honest kid living in tough circumstances who liked her for her personality, not because of her status. Every other guy she knew that was interested in her was probably a spoiled rich Naboo kid or a politician only looking to use her status to their advantage.

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If you like HC's facial expressions but not the way he speaks in this role, I suggest watching a fan edit that doesn't use the English dialogue. Look up Star Wars: The Blackened Mantle, it's great.

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