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Who created the glam look first?


Not sure how any of the following tie into this, but Alice Cooper credits Arthur Brown as an inspiration for his make-up. When I look at Brown, there's no mistaking who else obviously had to be influenced by him. I won't say, I want you to guess!

Well then Bowie shows up of course, and from what I've read, Curt is based on Iggy. We obviously hear an Eno song in there, so I'm curious how much credit Roxy Music gets. They had Glitter's look by 1972. Look at the pictures inside their first album. Then the cover of their second album looks like Gaga walking around!

I'm guessing there may be more to it than the clothes, I think I'm just sorta wanting to know how come nobody really seems to know anything about Roxy Music. I sorta think without glam there'd have been no arena rock like what Queen did, and to make this short, Scorpions may have never found their sound. Without them, something about the 80s just wouldn't seem right. Somehow I link Village People in there too, as a really soft answer to like Slade or something.

By the way, just saw Bowie on Soul Train and if they ever get around to a biopic, I want Bale to play him! Maybe late 90s Bale, but still, it'd be our best option.

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Bolan wore glitter make up for Hot Love on TOTP, which is generally considered the start of glam. But rock stars had been wearing makeup since the 50s, like Little Richard.

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So how come of everybody who ever has, Ozzy and Kiss seem to be the most famous? They may have been cool when I was 12, but more than half my life later, Bowie is far more intriguing than Ozzy's solo career.

And that's just an example. I wouldn't categorize him or Sabbath as glam!

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Yes, if one watches glam documentaries (the BBC's "Kings of Glam" documentary is on youtube) Marc Bolan is nearly always credited with inventing the glam look with his Top of the Pops appearance promoting "Hot Love" in 1971 -- the glitter makeup, glam clothing etc. The Bolan/T. Rex sound was also obviously very influential as far as the glam sound was concerned.

"Hearts and kidneys are tinker toys! I am talking about the central nervous system!"

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Gotta watch again. Didn't catch onto Roxy songs being in there. I discovered them from watching Wonderland. Eno I found as a result of this though!

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I come in peace, so don't take this the wrong way, but, . . . did it really take a movie for you to discover Roxy Music? These types of comments always give me pause. I mean, Roxy Music is one of the most famous glam-era bands and easily on the list of top 50 bands of all time. I can see discovering a somewhat obscure band through a film, but Roxy Music . . .? Really?

A little less surprised as to Eno, but still . . . really?

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Yep, discovered them in 2005 at 16 years old through a movie. Classic Rock stations don't play glam, they're old enough that none of the modern stations play them, and other than being exposed to music by it popping out at you there's really no other way to discover it, not like I can just think them up without discovering their name.

Should I be ashamed that I was introduced to Skynyrd by watching Forrest Gump when I was around 7? That's also where I discovered The Doors, only I didn't begin to dive into their discography until I saw Apocalypse Now in 2004. There's probably something wrong with the fact that I watched Redux instead of the theatrical cut. From what I've heard, the extra scenes aren't necessary, and they changed the lighting. Hmm, Electric Light Orchestra from watching Billy Madison, George Thorogood from a late-90s TV commercial advertising a local radio station, Bill Withers from various movies, Norman Greenbaum's 'Spirit in the Sky' from watching any movie depicting the early 70s, CCR from movies. Knew DMX as an actor before musician, and Dwight Yoakam. Kris Kristofferson I discovered by seeing in movies. Queen I discovered by watching Wayne's World. I assume Wayne's World 2 was the first time I might have heard Radar Love or seen a band that I believe called themselves Aerosmith. First time I heard THEM was by watching Mrs. Doubtfire. That reminds me, Tina Turner through GoldenEye. Will Smith as a musician by hearing the theme from Men in Black. Took years to discover he was sampling Forget Me Nots from 1982. Only learned that some time last summer. Guess that makes me an idiot.

Oh and football introduced me to Gary Glitter, whose music I've never heard on radio. I did my own research in order to listen to him. Other than radio, record stores, Soul Train, and Midnight Special, before internet how much do you really expect people to have been miraculously exposed to? I've seen High Fidelity to know that most people's taste in music is lacking and that they follow the crowd and all that crap, but how much more can I do short of somehow making it up and having it be real. Now I have pause. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it.

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Right. You're taking this the wrong way - just as I feared.

I'm not calling you "stupid" or an "idiot", yet it remains a disturbing fact that many people do not "discover" great music unless it is featured in a movie or (worse yet) in a video game.

Do you ever just go on a musical exploration, or do you just accept whatever washes up on your shore?

You are young, but that is only a partial excuse.

Perhaps ironically, the music scene was much more rich BEFORE the internet.

People put more effort into finding good music. Maybe that's the difference.

Now, more than ever, the public is incredibly lazy when it comes to actively searching for music.

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I always figured the music scene was even more dead before internet. Still unclear how else to find stuff unless you're like inside the recording studio with some rising band as they create a new sound or something.

Wasn't necessarily taking it the wrong way, just defending the viewpoint of how else would one find music if not radio. I'd think the next spot would be TV/Movies.

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Well, "before the internet" was 20 years ago—before the current generation of music consumers was even born. Certainly, file sharing killed the music industry, but it will be interesting to see how the newer crops of talent rise and fall via social media.

Many years ago, some big rock star (Jagger? Clapton?) pointed out that never before in history had it been possible for a musician to have the lifestyle that then-current pop stars could afford and that maybe it was an anomaly. That maybe the window of opportunity for music stardom would close again and that musicians would once again be forced down to traveling minstrels. I think that's happened already. If you don't tour, you don't survive. Music sales don't count for much anymore—it's ticket sales that pay the bills.

shantytown1212, I don't know how old you are, but unless you constantly trawl satellite radio, there is no way whatsoever for an American kid to hear Roxy Music except perhaps for Avalon in an elevator or mall (with no way to find out what you just heard.) Personally, I own ALL of Roxy's and Ferry's albums and it's painfully obvious to me why they weren't as big in the US as they were in Europe. I was in high school during there heyday, in a New York suburb and I didn't know a single kid in my entire school who even knew about Roxy Music besides me.

I'm amazed that they are remembered at all by anyone other than their original fans.

All that said, I'm watching this film for the first time right now. I find it exhausting in it's exposition. Completely boring and embarrassing. Since it deals with a music scene of the past, it makes me think of "Almost Famous," which was great IMO. "Almost Famous," as I recall, had some narration, but the film let the characters and the action tell the story. This film is just amateurish and the music is awful—I haven't even checked to see who wrote it, but it's not my thing.

For integrity's sake, I'll hang in 'til the end and if it turns around I post a retraction. Now at the 40 minute mark, I don't expect to retract anything.

God, this music is horrific.

(Just to be clear, I do know many of these songs. I'm complaining about the performances... yikes!)

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I am younger than you obadtzxo, and I knew of Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music through MTV in the early 1980s -- and they were played on KROQ in LA. I grew up on the west coast, and KROQ broke many of the English punk and new wave bands in the US (obviously Roxy was not "new wave" but they did have success with Avalon in the early 1980s and Bryan Ferry's solo work was played quite a bit on MTV) -- but I had many friends who were avid collectors of music and knew Roxy well. So yeah we west coast American kids had heard of Roxy Music.

"Hearts and kidneys are tinker toys! I am talking about the central nervous system!"

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Um, I'm thinking Bowie? First to backup the look with great music.

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Make-up on male pop singers goes back at least as far as Little Richard, as has been said earlier. Face painting was a big part of the hippy thing from the summer of love in 67 on. But glam isn't just about unisex fashion; it was also about making music fun again after all the introspection of the late 60s early 70s. So in a way it was a sort of teen revivalism.

The first glam rocker in my opinion was Roy Wood.

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Like another poster already clarified, Marc Bolan's first performance of Hot Love on Top of the Pops in March 1971, in which he wore glitter make-up, is considered the start of glam rock. They reenact that moment when Brian Slade sings The Whole Shebang on TV in the movie.

Here is that piece of music history: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ3hwk9eky0



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Rolling Stones had a huge influence on glam .Check out the vid they did for Jumping Jack Flash in 68, Jaggers look in the Performance film, and the dressing in drag for the 1967 Have you seen your mother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIx9YWF02uU


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T-Rex - Marc Bolan

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