Wesley Snipes and Irene Jacob?
Did anyone find this convincing?
shareNot in the least degree. Good movie tho.
Missy
I would have asked you what part of the country you were from, but I labored thru your bio and I see that you are from little town in the hills of Ky. I understand why you might find that hard to believe. all I would haveto say to you, is that it is not so uncommon in most big cities in the U.S. and most of the cities in Euroope that I have been to.
shareIt was just as convincing as Gerard and the young newscaster.
Why was it not convincing to you?
By the way what part of the country are you from?
I take it you're American. I'm from the UK. Why do you want to know where I'm from?
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It's been a while since I've seen this movie, but the reason why I didn't find the Snipes/Jacob relationship convincing had nothing to do with race. It was more to do with their personalities - they didn't seem to match. I just couldn't envisage them ever meeting for the first time. However, it is unusual to see an American man with a French woman; I think the film lacked character development regarding how they got together. There was a strange moment in the film when they kissed each other, and it just looked really awkward.
I remember years ago, I watch Wesley Snipes in the movie, 'One Night Stand," in which his love interests were played by Ming Na (an Oriental actress) and Nastassja Kinski (a white German actress) and it seemed totally real to me.
I personally think that Irene Jacob was miscast in U.S. Marshals.
Oh!!!, I apoligize for being so sensitive. The next timeI see the movie, I'll pay more attention to that relationship. You may be right.
shareI agree. It's not the black/white thing that isn't convincing. It's the fact that this really pretty French woman would be interested in a large, somewhat threatening American man. Yes, the fact that she was WHITE and French and he was BLACK and American is involved. They don't match up and that's what makes them unconvincing. I always wondered why on God's Green Eartht they'd pick her for his love interest. It's weird and I didn't find it convincing AT ALL!
Missy
It's the fact that this really pretty French woman would be interested in a large, somewhat threatening American man.
No...I'm American.
Threatening, anyone with a myterious career, or anyone that has to get angry for a job is threatening to me. I mean, just look at the character, look at who he was...he was dangerous. It doesn't matter that he didn't do it.
Missy
Don't do heroin...it's bad for you....do crack! ---COPS
Sorry Missy, despite you claims that its not a black and white issue, you contradict yourself. True, a mysterious career, would be something to consider, and she might have been curious, but how do you know that he had to get angry for the job? Remember he told her on the phone that before he met her he had worked for the government, so she wold have had no way of knowing that he had to get angry to do a job. You say "just look at the character, look at who he was...he was dangerous." That is the statement that betrays your clain that is was not racial. How was he dangerous to her?
shareWe, as the viewing audience, see him from a different view than Marie did, so yeah, I can see how I contradict myself.
We see the character from all the angles...we see him as the good innocent tow truck driver at the beginning of the movie. Then by the middle of the movie he is a dangerous criminal on the run from the United States Marshals and then by the end of the movie he is once again a good guy.
To her, he's always the good guy...personally, no matter if he was innocent or guilty, by asking me to help him, he is putting me in DANGER. It doesn't matter how much I love him, he is putting me in harms way by asking me to help him run from the government.
A mysterious career, at least the ones I've heard of, usually means that they don't want their S.O. to find out what kind of person they are while they are working...usually that means angry. Any job where you carry a gun is dangerous. Most government jobs, ok, some of them, require guns.
But Irene Jacob and Wesly Snipes have no onscreen chemistry. When you first see her run to him at the hospital, admit it, your first thought was "WTF?"
Missy
Don't do heroin...it's bad for you....do crack! ---COPS
What mysterious career? As far as she knew, he was a Tow truck driver. Dangerous criminal? Where did you get that from?? To be a criminal, a court must convict you of a crime. Even though he was innocent, Dr Kimball in the "Fugitive" was a Criminal, as he was convicted.
Again, what is a Mysterious career? What is "S.O."? "Any job where you carry a gun is dangerous" is the only thing in that paragraph that makes sense.
"When you first see her run to him at the hospital, admit it, your first thought was "WTF".
Think whatever you want to. I'm done with this.
Missy
Don't do heroin...it's bad for you....do crack! ---COPS
Don't do heroin...it's bad for you...do crack!---COPS
Shut up. It was on COPS and the way it was said I thought it was funny. Again, I'm done with this.
Missy
Don't do heroin...it's bad for you....do crack! ---COPS
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Most definitely. Marie was an irritating character -- it was the way she was so damn obviously a ploy for us to sympathize with Sheridan (as a shortcut for, you know, actual character development). But her relationship with Sheridan was perhaps the MOST convincing thing in this movie.
They find themselves in the working class in the same city, so it's not hard to imagine how they would run into each other. Marie is hot and haughty, no doubt, but ex-super-awesome-military-agent-guy Sheridan is brave, resourceful, and has a mysterious past. Very easy to see the mutual attraction. And since he had to abandon his old identity and she is an immigrant, it is also very easy to see why that attraction turned into such a deep bond.
Now, you look at either of Gerard's love interests in the movie -- lot harder to see the chemistry or the credibility there.
Most definitely. Marie was an irritating character -- it was the way she was so damn obviously a ploy for us to sympathize with Sheridan (as a shortcut for, you know, actual character development). But her relationship with Sheridan was perhaps the MOST convincing thing in this movie.
They find themselves in the working class in the same city, so it's not hard to imagine how they would run into each other. Marie is hot and haughty, no doubt, but ex-super-awesome-military-agent-guy Sheridan is brave, resourceful, and has a mysterious past. Very easy to see the mutual attraction. And since he had to abandon his old identity and she is an immigrant, it is also very easy to see why that attraction turned into such a deep bond.
Now, you look at either of Gerard's love interests in the movie -- lot harder to see the chemistry or the credibility there.
The combo of Irene Jacobs and Snipes seemed to fall completely flat. She seemed way to artsy-fartsy for him and he seemed like a man of the "real" world.
Of course these types of relationships do go on in real life (to be honest so do pretty much all types of relationships). But that doesn't mean to say that they necessarily "click" within the movie world.
Also, most normal relationships (again, quote marks around "normal" - coz I realise there really is no such thing) you can see the couple doing regular things in life (going shopping together, to the movies etc.). It was very difficult to imagine these two together without the feeling they'd be bored s--tless with nothing to talk about (Sheridan: Uh, I use to be a... oh... truck dri... roadster... type thing. Yeah. Good times.).
I think people should calm down with the "racism" stuff (yeah I said it) because I see nothing to indicate that anyone who posted here attempted to infer any such thing about this particular relationship.
What other word can people use besides normal then?
You want to play the game, you'd better know the rules, love.
-Harry Callahan
I think they work and here's why:
It is implied that Marie is an illegal alien & we know Wesley (in this point of the movie) is more than a tow truck driver. They both have a past they would like to keep in the past. Wesley understands she may be here illegally and her secret is safe with him. Marie may suspect her well spoken, in shape tow truck driver has a past, because he doesn't fit the mold of your stereotypical undereducated grease monkey. They comfort each other knowing these two may be alone in the crowded city. You may be unconvinced as Irene Jacob's portrayal, but the two characters would work in real life
It doesn't really make sense from a studio profitability standpoint. Unless you're specifically trying to push boundaries and make a standpoint, why go out of your way to piss off (even if it's subconscious) white male and black females? Let's face it, we all know that black women hate seeing black guys with their devil: the white women. And, while white guys might not try to sound outwardly racist, we know that it always makes their blood boil when they see a white girl with a black guy, and they'll inherently see that black man as the enemy.
As to the white female and the black male audience: white women are probably going to want to watch chick flicks and rom coms, and black men usually only go to see movies where an overweight black comedian dresses up like a women and plays all of the roles.
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I'd love to know why a French girl with the looks of a super model and artistic talent would want to travel all the way to a freezing cold, gang infested pit like Chicago, just to work in a Starbucks and date a pickup truck driver.
Always bet on black.
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