pervert dad???


what was the deal with alan arkin feeling up his niece? was it supposed to be an accident? or was he supposed to be a pervert?

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The niece explains it right after it happens. He's lonely, drunk and in confusion makes a mistake of reaching out for human contact. At least, that's probably the PhD explanation of his actions. I think he was just horny and was too loaded to realize the implications of trying to get some from a relative.

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plus she prance around half naked all the time. She is highly inappropriate with her relatives.

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Hardly. All the family were very open sexually - the brother 'pranced around half naked' a lot too, they were all quite comfortable discussing Vivian's breasts and the brother's 'morning boner'. Rita wasn't behaving inappropriately at all. (And the fact Alan Arkin immediately apologised rather than blaming the victim like you just did, indicates that he recognised that he was in the wrong.)

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I really got the impression that he abused her/touched her when she was a little girl growing up, and that he hadn't done it in a while, and then he just had a "slip" or whatever because he's going through a rough time. And she's not making excuses for him, but she kind of understands where he's coming from because she has had slip ups with drugs her entire life. And that she's always been closer to her uncle than her father because they both share that personality trait.

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I always thought this was the case, also. Plus, Rita seems like she's been used/mistreated by men so much it's like nothing to her.

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Remember when Rita and Vivian are in the bathroom later and she confronts her about it? Vivian says something like "sometimes a person can get so hungry and so desperate they might do something they will regret." That sums it up right there. She understood that at that moment he lost control and she knows all about losing control. Mind you, there is NO excuse for his behavior. I think he deserves a good, long and sever beating for it. But that's me. The point is that Vivian understood and she was not willing to place blame on him for an act of desperation. She almost saw it as a starving man stealing food from a sacred place out of sheer desperation.

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That was the one part of the movie that I was def. a little disturbed by.

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When I first saw it, I thought he just grabbed it from over the shirt, but when I recently saw it again, I saw that he actually reached inside - definitely no "mistake". Just a perverted moment, I guess.


Disturbing, definitely

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I haven't seen the movie in a while, but it's true that the family on a whole was very comfortable with nudity and sexuality...and the last thing I wanted to do was blame the "victim". I just don't see a "victim" here. He didn't force himself on her. He made a pass at her and she said no and that was the end of that. If they weren't related would you call her a victim? OK, so they were all open sexually, but she was being a little more suggestive than the daughter or brother...

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Not really. Would you say the brother was hitting on his dad because he 'wandered around in his underwear' in front of him?

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thats a ridiculous comparison - a lot of immediate family are comfortable discussing intimate things and covering their bodies up with very little, but a niece is not immediate family and in this scenario - there is nothing to suggest they were necessarily close when growing up. I thought her behavior was meant to be inappropriate to make the whole situation with the father going to touch her more questionable. I didn't think it was meant to be analyzed so much - I think it should be viewed as a result of various circumstances. If my cousin came to stay and walked about in his underwear - i would tell him to have some respect and put something on! Thats not to say that she was 'asking for it' but it's not like she is a child, she is a young woman. Titillation can bring trouble regardless of if wether is it justifiable or not.

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Is it possible he had sexual relations with her before and hes the father of the baby?

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So Murray and Rita were incest sexually which is wrong , very wrong. I was very disturb of the scene, I thought there was a 50% chance he could be Rita's baby father. If I was Mickey, Rita's father and Murray's brother I would be very disappointed. I knew a guy who had an incest affair with his aunt plus having a child too. Later, the child was adopted to another family and aunt's husband divorced her plus have custody of their two kids. Since the aunt was an adult and the boy was a teenager, the aunt only serve a few months in prison and a year probation. Sad story is'nt it?

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The molest scene really killed it for me. The shared vibrator was bad enough, and this scene was the straw that broke the camel's back.

And saying the uncle was drunk and therefore had clouded judgement and was also lonely is total b.s. "He's lonely, drunk and in confusion makes a mistake of reaching out for human contact. At least, that's probably the PhD explanation of his actions."It doesn't excuse away anything. So for all the Tom, Dick and Harrys that are drunk when they molest...does that make it not their fault?

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There's a difference between explaining and excusing.

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NO. This ain't David Lynch, it's a comedy.

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Rita is so innocent and adorable when she tries to cover up his uncles action by telling him "its ok Uncle Murray....its just a breast....you didnt mean it etc....you love me dont you"

poor girl actually feels it was her fault and she led him on. i think she wouldnt say a thing if uncle murray had sex with her at that point.

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(you love me dont you?)<--- I felt sorry for her, at that part.

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I felt the movie would have been better if alan Arkin had simply kissed Marisa Tomei instead of molesting her. A kiss is something I could excuse from a drunk, lonely guy.

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What pissed me off is that Viv all but blamed Rita for it rather than her schmuck father, in the bathroom scene.

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