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The prism in which I see the film now has changed.


Years ago I always saw this through the prism that these men gave their lives to get Ryan out of the War and that if it weren't for Ryan and the mission involving him they wouldn't have died.

After seeing it again years later I no longer look at it that way. The one soldier even angrily yelled to Ryan something like "Hey Asshole! Two of our guys got killed looking for you." As if they were going to be safe if they weren't looking for Ryan.

It was World War II, what were they going to be doing if they weren't searching for Ryan? They were going to be in battles. These were very small skirmishes. A sniper in that bombed out French town, storming a machine gun nest that Miller ordered completely outside of the Ryan mission, and the small battle at Ramelle, those first 2 were happening all over France and were not major battles. Ramelle was not a major battle, if it can be classified as a "battle" then it was a small one. I'm sure if they weren't on this mission they would be in much bigger, deadlier battles so I no longer really see it as if "Ryan" put them in harms way. The war did that.

A German sniper? A machine gun nest? A battle over a bridge? They'd be experiencing that anyway on bigger levels without Ryan so I don't look at it that looking for Ryan got these guys killed.

What if Ryan left and didn't stay at Ramelle? Well, Ryan got to go home, not the other guys. They'd just be right back to fighting the war. They were probably going to be in the Battle of the Bulge in which had 75,000 U.S. casualties.

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interesting take... i tend to agree but it still begs the question as to what purpose they're risking their lives for, beyond duty and following orders

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That's my point. "Risking their lives". How was looking for Ryan to send him home "risking their lives" any more than fighting in battles from town to town expelling the Germans? Why is it they are "safe" if they are just fighting the war but "risking their lives" if they look for Ryan? They didn't. All their lives (Americans in France) were at risk. Every time they encountered Germans all over France, all of their lives were at risk. There was nothing especially dangerous in looking for Ryan.

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i get it, but it still matters what they do while their lives at at risk... do they fight the enemy to try to win the war, or do they go on a side mission to save their colleague... the cost is the same, their lives, but the objectives/purpose is different...

does saving ryan come at the expense of fighting to win the war?

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Yeah, I get what you are saying. I guess the only rebuttal is that they were fighting the war. Taking out that machine gun nest, taking out that sniper in the French village, fighting for the bridge in Ramelle and taking out that half-track vehicle and all the Germans they killed was fighting the war.

Tom Hanks said (when coaxed to sneak around the machine gun nest because it wasn't their mission) that their mission was to win the war. They helped defend the bridge at Ramelle, that was to help win the war, so other than attempting to physically be in the same location as Ryan everything else they did was to fight the Germans and win the war.

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makes sense

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