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Undefeated basketball team


So was the basketball team undefeated because they had no other teams to play against and maybe never even played a game? If there´s nothing outside of Pleasentville there´s obviously no other basketball team outside or am I missing something?

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Seriously? Why not asked where they get their clothes from? Or their food? Or all the products in the stores? Do you think everything was produced in Pleasantville? And perhaps the raw materials were mined there as well.

Pleasantville wasn't real. They had whatever was in the TV series. If there was an away team, they had an away team. If they had basketball sneakers in the TV series, they had sneakers. It's not real.

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Seriously? Why not asked where they get their clothes from? Or their food? Or all the products in the stores? Do you think everything was produced in Pleasantville? And perhaps the raw materials were mined there as well.

Pleasantville wasn't real. They had whatever was in the TV series. If there was an away team, they had an away team. If they had basketball sneakers in the TV series, they had sneakers. It's not real.


You understand that movies that their own internal set of rules right? OP brings up a very valid point.






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Where did the other basketball team come from? Central casting.
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It's supposed to show how under developed and undetailed the writing was on shows like this one. It's also somewhat exaggerated for comic effect in this movie.

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It poked fun at the over-idealistic-ness that 50's TV shows falsely portrayed at the "typical" America. Everything was great and perfect with virtually nothing bad happening. It didn't rain, there was no crime, parents didn't divorce, Moms stayed home to cook and clean....and the basketball team never lost. By showing the naïve inhabitants of Pleasantville how the world really is, the became enlightened, and thus the colors bloomed.

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What about crossover shows assuming they ever had any? Wouldn't those exist in the same universe? Wouldn't the roads go into those other places?

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They seem to suggest that this has happened by the end of the film. We see a sign that gives the mileage to Springfield which us the town that the show Father Knows Best took place in.



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By showing the naïve inhabitants of Pleasantville how the world really is, the became enlightened, and thus the colors bloomed.


i agree with this, but i have a question: if the people in pleasantville went from black and white to color based on being enlightened, then why did big bob (aka the jerk who wanted everything to stay the same) get color?

if the answer is that, despite how he presented himself, he too believed that change was good, then it's a copout, seeing as the message from his transformation would be that deep down no one can truly be prejudiced.

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if the people in pleasantville went from black and white to color based on being enlightened, then why did big bob (aka the jerk who wanted everything to stay the same) get color?

I think he always wanted to let his anger out and scream and yell but was never able to because it's not "pleasant." When he finally did he gained color.

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David didn't change from having sex, he changed from punching a guy. It was obvious that the change into color was due more to emotion and feelings than by just being enlightened.

It probably had to do with waking up, and the way the evil guy woke up was to finally explode. his angry feelings made him change.

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This movie is about what happens when you think beyond what you know, and question what you think know and what is right and wrong. It's about realizing that we are all similar in that we all have differences. The TV show is great for showing this as it's a society not fully realized. The movie is not about the 50s and the "typical" American household. The 50s TV show is only used to demonstrate the story. Note, the movie is set in a TV show, NOT 50s America.

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In the movie they played and lost a basketball game. The question is, where did the other team come from?

I am a very decisive person, I think.

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To repeat what a poster said earlier-they had whatever the TV show Pleasantville had. While David and Jennifer were there, some episodes played out-Skip asking out Mary Sue, etc. They did start to change things-they lost the basketball game, when in the show's episode they won, they lost. And David got the oatmeal cookies, not Whitey.

Basically, if the TV show had an away team, an away team showed up. It's not real. They had whatever happened in the show.

We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?

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To expand on the other answers, the teams essentially just "appeared." Due to the nature of Pleasantville, it never even occurred to any of the inhabitants to wonder where the opposing teams came from. They were perfectly comfortable simultaneously believing that there was no "outside Pleasantville" and accepting the presence of basketball teams that clearly didn't come from Pleasantville. They just accepted it without question. That's completely consistent with the level of denial and rote behavior all citizens of Pleasantville possessed prior to their "corruption" by David and Jennifer.

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The whole thing was about race. Black-and-white signifies "white." Color is the ability to see other colors. The basketball team was undefeated because, in the opinion of the dummy director, they wouldn't play against a Negro team. This is obvious, even if he doesn't say it in the commentary.

There is also the Garden of Eden allegory, as some have pointed out. Indeed, this film makes the serpent out to be the bringer of variety, which in a sense the serpent did. That element of the film is pretty deep, IMO.

I give the film a solid B+, especially for casting Toby Maguire as the ingenue white guy. But that's on the technicals.

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I've seen some contorted interpretations of movies on IMDB comments. Yours is the most contorted.

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I just came in here to say the exact same thing.

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