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mental retardation

posted 17 years ago by philliprostron
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clearly Simon had mental retardation. Mental retardation plays a big role in autistic spectrum. At the higher end of the spectrum is asperger syndrome a illness of social dyslexia if you like not been able to read anything to do with socialisign expressions gestures ect. Although asperegrs difefrs from a severly autistic as high functioning autism does also. Like hand flapping jumping up & down. There iq of asperegr can be superior some believe both high functioning and aspergers o be the same but no I don't think so. Exactly.

The term High Functioning autism: the ability to speak read and write

But some retarded are thought to have asperger via educaional psychologists and child.

Ofcorurse tehre are some diguises for mental retardation like on mission impossible 3 where Ethen was in the vatican and caught Owen davian and had his voice recorded on to his and a mask but the voice as a disguise for people with intelelctual disability for the more affected ones like with moderate.
Because I know some individuals get teased and bullyed people taking advantage can make the i prefer to say intellectually disabled person feel very sad I dont agree with bullying atall. because not right calling soemone retard just awful and upseting for some people with it.

[–] bring_back_Pluto 17 years ago

social gestures are all very subjective anyway - I mean, it's not something that can be easily measured or gauged - it's all based on convention and culture . . . like constantly updated slang ... I can empathize - it's not easy, or fun, constantly interpreting convoluted social signals

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[–] nutsberryfarm 13 years ago

and yet alec baldwin seems the most mentally challenged in the movie. he randomly screams! like he cannot control the volume of his voice!

We're not soldiers and he's not the enemy. He's a pizza man.

[–] aventer-1 13 years ago

Baldwins character is a sociopath. That's one of the unifying factors in the screenplay; every character has their own demon.

[–] nutsberryfarm 13 years ago

that crazy? thought he was just a major dickhead.

We're not soldiers and he's not the enemy. He's a pizza man.

[–] mermanator 16 years ago

Actually Simon didn't display symptoms of mental retardation, just a lower functioning or more severe form of autism with savant tendancies. Underneath his autistic traits his intellect seemed intact; he just couldn't communicate it.

[–] ooohhhmmyyyy 16 years ago

Mental retardation is not autism. Autism is not mental retardation. Simon had severe autism. Autism and MR share the same traits so I can see why people would think those two are the same.

Aspergers isn't an illness, it's a syndrome. Aspies have average or above average intelligence so people who are borderline or mentally retarded shouldn't be given that diagnoses. PDD-NOS is more correct but then again it's just a label so I really don't care what they are given just as long as they are on the spectrum.

After reading about it and being on the autism forums for 5 years, I know these things.

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[–] danzaiver 16 years ago

Who do you think would win, Rainman, or this kid?

[–] denise1234 12 years ago

ooohhhmmyyyy:

"Mental retardation is not autism. Autism is not mental retardation."

Right.

There are different prevalence rates thrown around in the research regarding percentage of folks with Autism who also present with Mental Retardation (now termed ‘ID’ – Intellectual Disability): somewhere around 18% - 30% of folks diagnosed with Autism also are diagnosed with ID.

However, trying to diagnose ID in someone with Autism can be quite difficult -- thus the large spread in the percentage rates I mentioned above. And, prevalence rates differ depending on if you are talking about children versus adults, and also different types of Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD).

Teasing out a difference in these particular diagnoses (i.e., ASD vs. ID) sometimes can't be done with just one or two assessment measures conducted at one point in time.

Frequently, if there *is* a question, a difference can be seen over time in rate and style of learning.

Many folks with Autism will present with what are called 'splinter skills' (high and low spiked variations in some areas, with some having higher skills in some areas than neurotypical folks), whereas with ID you typically don't find this splintering of skills, and instead what will present will be a slower and steady pattern of acquisition of skills, sometimes with a plateauing in some areas. Many children with Autism given adequate early intervention services, can display rapid acquisition in some skills that most neurotypical children don't. For example, I once worked with a 4-year-old child with Autism who was only babbling at the onset of intensive early intervention services, and within 5 months of service, her spoken language was on par with an average neurotypical child her age; in other words, she had made years growth in 5 months.

There are also other symptoms you may find with a child with ASD that you won't typically see with a child with ID as the sole disorder, although there certainly can be overlap in some areas. The DSM spells out specifically the difference in symptoms that should point to whichever diagnosis.

It's gotten better, but too often even today children who should be diagnosed with an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) are incorrectly identified as having an ID or an ASD + ID.

And, that differentiation can make all the difference in types of services that will be offered the child.

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[–] mbcullen 12 years ago

Asa mom of a 16 year old with high functioning autism,I can tell you that you are completely wrong. My son is included in a regular classroom with an educational aide and has a B average at his high school.

The spectrum includes a lot of differentiation. My son does have, which is common in autistic/asperger kids, is a heavy interest and knowledge and ability to retain facts that most people wouldn't.My son knows every president, their date of birth, the state they were born in, and if deceased, the date of death. He knows every first lady as well. If you tell him you're birthday, he'll remember it forever. He has a knack for remembering dates. He can tell you what our family was doing on a particular date several years ago. He can tell you what day of the week a date fell on even if it was several years ago. If he goes to your house he'll want to explore and then he'll remember every room and where every outlet and wall switch. Should he come back a year later, and you changed anything, he will know. A current interest of his is eyeglasses and sunglasses. He will ask just about everybody he meets if they wear glasses and why, if they ever wore contacts, and if they wear sunglasses or if their glasses transition. And he'll remember. And he reads the dictionary in his spare time.

So I bet he would do a better job typing job than you did.

[–] neko-neko-1 11 years ago

So you can spell dyslexia but not 'etc', 'socialising', 'differs', 'their', 'of course', 'there' and 'bullied'?