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!!!***!!!SPOILERS!! !***!!! Details of the original longer cut!


This film has been my favourite since I was 9 years old and I saw it for the first time on a plane in 1998. I have spent a long time trying to track down a copy of the original longer version, which I was very happy and surprised to find out about, only about a year ago, from IMDb. I managed to buy a 2 disc edition online with lots of special features as well, and the the Italian 29 track soundtrack from somewhere else. There are 2 deleted scenes on the DVD,as well as lots more interesting things. A lot of it, including all the menus, is in Italian though, which made it a little difficult for me to navigate sometimes. The following is my best recollection of the parts cut for the 120 minute version, and as I have only seen the longer cut once so far, compared to having seen the shorter one over thirty times, I can't guarantee that I have remembered absolutely everything. Since seeing the original extended cut, I now consider The Legend of 1900 and La Leggenda del Pianista sull'Oceano to be two different films. The Legend of 1900 of course being the shorter version. In my personal opinion, the longer one is better, and is now my favourite film, with The Legend of 1900 now coming in at second! If you don't want to know until you've seen it for yourself, don't read on, massive spoilers ahead! Those who wish to continue, scroll down now...









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First off, several scenes are simply edited differently and so last longer, with a few extra shots and things, such as the opening sequence on board the ship as they arrive at New York, this scene is longer, with more shots of different people of the ship. Max's voice over is also longer, and he says more things about there being different people on the ship etc...

The very opening shot is different too, the first thing you see, just for a second or two, is looking down the horn of a trumpet, and a breath coming out of it. Max's narration is also extended a bit here, too if I remember correctly. Next, when Max is in the music shop, after a bit of slightly extended dialogue, and after the shopkeeper points out the two pianos, in one of which he found the broken record, Max walks over to and sits down at the grand piano, sort of hugs it, and playfully runs his fingers down the keys, playing a string of notes alongside each other, whatever you call that, and smiles and laugh. He then looks worried and shocked when the shopkeeper tells him the ship is going to be blown up. His dialogue with the men at the ship yard is also extended. Also later, when he and the other men are searching the ship for 1900, when they are in the first class ball room, Max starts to act out the Irish band mans introduction the musicians, which then cuts back in time to the Irishman actually introducing them, with a longer introduction, introducing more band members than in the shorter cut.

Next I can remember is when Danny has the baby 1900 in the engine rooms, he carries him around and sings a sort of Jazzy Blues song called 'Thanks Danny,' and all the other workers say the Thanks Danny part.

Next is during 1900's childhood, the ships Doctor is giving him a check up, and 1900 asks what his name is. He has a very long German name, and 1900 says something like, "Wow, what a name, if anyone needs to call you in a hurry they're a goner!" This is referenced again later when Danny is hit by the metal crane hook thing, and another worker has to call the Doctor and can't say his whole name properly, and stands shouting trying to get the name right.

Another thing during his childhood is when we see 1900 in the ships kitchen, and he is stealing a big cream pie/cake type thing. All the cooks and chefs etc... know what he's doing but just watch, thinking it's funny. When 1900 then tries to leave the kitchen, he walks out backwards, and bumps into the Captains legs! The Captain shouts at him something like, "How many times have I told you not to come up here especially when you're coming to steal..." and then 1900 slams the cream pie in the Captains face! Right after this we see the Captain shout down at Danny in the boiler rooms about how having 1900 could be illegal, and that he could get in trouble with the law or something. Danny simply shouts back, and this is possibly where 1900 got the tendency to later say such things from, *beep* the law!"

During all/most of these extra scenes there is more narration from Max, mostly just explaining what is going on, and we get to know more about 1900's character.

When 1900 is first walking into the first class section, having gone through the no entry door, as he walks down the corridor, there is a brief couple of shots of 1900 looking through the crack of an ajar door, and seeing a woman pulling some tights high up her leg. He then turns and continues along the corridor, not very amused.

Around now I remember there being a part where the Captain invites the police aboard to take 1900 off the ship and to an orphanage. The same music plays when the police are searching the ship for him as when later Jelly Roll Morton's men are chasing 1900. 1900 is not found anywhere, and everyone thinks he is dead. I think they say 22 days pass, or something like that, and no one sees him at all. Then a shiphand bursts in on the Captains room saying there's an emergency, and the Captain thinks that the ship is sinking, but the man says it's much worse than that... Then we see the scene where 1900 is first playing the piano. There is also more Max narration here, where he talks about what the Captain must have been thinking.

Also, before the Magic Waltz on the storm, when Max and 1900 first met, there is a little more with Max stumbling around groaning that he's lost, and him also narrating that he wanted to jump off the ship he felt so bad, because he wasn't at all used to being at sea, and was seriously sea sick.

Next I can remember is after 1900 has played the Tarantella to the third class. The man who we see in the shorter cut who is in a black suit with a bowler hat, and holding a hankerchief over his mouth, Max tells us in narration that he is a Statesman or something who is riding in third class just to hear 1900 play. He afterwards talks to 1900, and asks him to continue playing, but 1900 refuses because they have reached port. The man thinks this is crazy, but goes on to ask 1900 to give an interview. We then cut to later on deck and Max and 1900 and a few others are laughing about what 1900 said in the interview. Max says that 1900 was asked a question like, "what do you like doing when you get back to you hometown?" and then Max says that 1900 said something like, "When I get back to Paris I like to watch the people jumping off the top of the Eiffel Tower and try to guess where they are from by their screams before they go splat." Then there is a quick couple of shots showing some other people starting to throw snowballs at them, as it is/has snowed. 1900 doesn't join in.

When Jelly Roll Morton's men come to talk to 1900 before the duel, it is explained better and more humourously why 1900 is scared of and runs away from the men. He makes another call on the radio, this time to a horse race betting place, and he asks if his 'Mamma' is running. The guy on the other end gets annoyed and speaks sarcastically. He says things that confuse and worry 1900 like, "no it's your sister racing," and, "I know where you are, I'm gonna get you..." So no wonder 1900 jumps so much when right then someone knocks on the door and two people start to chase him around the ship!

During the duel, there are some small changes, mainly very minor differences in the editing, but also there are some shots in between each piece played in which there are two coal stoker friends of 1900's, one of whom asks a first class passenger each time whether 1900 has won or lost the duel.

And next I think is before 1900 decides to get off the ship, and we are back in the present, with Max in the music shop, with the shopkeeper still pointing the gun at him. Max goes into a very passionate speech about paintings falling off walls. This long speech is basically comparing 1900's sudden decision to leave the ship to a painting randomly falling off a wall after having hung on it for years. In his speech, he goes "Bang" very loudly when he describes a painting suddenly falling. And then when we hear 1900 tell Max that he's getting off, there is a very fast shot cut in of Max shouting "Bang," again.

Throughout the film there are many more very small additions and differences, which all come together to make it feel like a very different film, and quite a different experience to the shorter cut. Amoung these are extra lines various characters have, such as the Irish band man, better known for his dancing eyebrows, getting angry at 1900 for spoiling his own orchestrated music, and Max crying while playing with 1900 for the last time before he gets off the ship, and a passenger commenting on it. Also, when 1900 has said goodbye to everyone before getting off the ship, he turns back to them and says, "How the hell do I get off?" and then they all do hand movements in unison to show him how.

At the very end when Max is just leaving the ship again, after having discovered that 1900 was indeed still there, there is an extension to 1900's joke about losing an arm and going to heaven, in which he says the man offering him a new arm asks if he would like a black or a white arm, and 1900 says please a white arm, not that he's rascist, but purely for aesthetic reasons.

More is also made of 1900's ability to read peoples faces, with Max narrating about how 1900 discovers so much about people and where they're from just by looking at they're faces, how they behave and through little things they say etc...

Now, in the one of the two deleted scenes, the adult 1900 walks into the first class dining area which is fully set up ready for the next day. It is dark, night time. He comes across lots off glasses on a table, and runs his finger around the rims of some of them, making different musical notes. The start of this one, with him walking into the room and looking around a little, is in the extended cut.

The other of the two deleted scenes isn't in the either version at all. It is of 1900 playing the love them he played with the girl outside the window again, but differently, to the first class people gathered round at their various dinner tables. Max asks him about it, saying that it is the first time he has ever heard 1900 repeat a piece. 1900 says that this piece "...won't go away..." Max proceeds to guess whose face in the room this piece of music belongs to. He guesses wrong a couple of times, jokingly, then he points to the girl sitting quietly at a table with some other people. He guesses her, knowing that it's her, and 1900 says could be, or maybe.

Right, thats all I can remember right now, I hope it's satisfactory and interesting to anyone who has wanted to read this far. If I remember more, with or without seeing it again, I'll post it here, probably by editing this post. Bye for now! Feel free to post your thoughts/reactions!

.Peter.D.Marsay.

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Interesting post... I imagine the movie must look really poor in the shorter version... after reading all this.

After all... I've only seen the longer version. And even though I've seen that for many times I actually could not recall some of the scenes you described right away... I think I should watch it again... been a bit too much time since the last time too..

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Thank you! please let us know where you bought the original long version online. Im interested in this one too.

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Hello again. I first tried to buy it on this website: 'www.dvd.it' But something didn't work right with the payment, so I looked elsewhere. I ended up buying it from someone on the Italian eBay, which is 'www.ebay.it' I am allowed to post websites on here by the way, am I? If not someone please tell me so I can edit this to be in keeping with the IMDb site rules. I had to do lots of translating from Italian to English, but it worked out in the end. I don't know if the person I bought the DVD from is still selling them, he had several brand new, but just search for La Leggenda del Pianista sull'Oceano in the DVD section and you should find any that there may be on sale. Hope this helps, enjoy it if/when you buy it. By the way, the one I bought on eBay was a lot cheaper than the one on the Italian DVD site was...

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thank you very much for sharing this here.

i love this film very much, and i enjoyed reading your posts too.

cheers

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Nice! Thanks for sharing it with us.
I can imagine 1900 talking with the horse racer and asking if his "mama" was racing.. Hahaha!

And now I know who is that guy with the handkerchief over his face when 190 played the tarantella in 3rd class! I've been guessing a lot and I thought he was spying for Jelly Roll Morton.. Lol.

Thank You!

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One thing I'm still amazed about, though, is that they left this out:

"At the very end when Max is just leaving the ship again, after having discovered that 1900 was indeed still there, there is an extension to 1900's joke about losing an arm and going to heaven, in which he says the man offering him a new arm asks if he would like a black or a white arm, and 1900 says please a white arm, not that he's rascist, but purely for aesthetic reasons."

Seriously amazed. That imho was a vital part for the ending!

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Can You Get the extended version in english

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The DVD is Italian, as in all the menus and the DVD cover etc... But if you can work out which menu options are for languages and subtitles, you can set it so that it plays with an English soundtrack, and without subtitles, so it's entirely in English; if you change the settings. Hope that helps!

Also, another thing in the extended version which I think I failed to mention in my original post, is that in the same conversation in which Danny tells the young 1900 about orphanages etc... he also shows 1900 scars on his back from being whipped, and tells 1900 that the white sharks are the worst kind, after having told him the part about there being sharks on land that'll eat him alive. That is just another very short excerpt cut from the shorter release, but I think the reason it was cut is reasonably obvious, similar to the reason why 1900's extended joking at the end was cut, in which he is offered a black arm, which he turns down, stating that he decides that merely for aesthetic reasons.

Hope you can get your hands on the extended version anyway, it really is worth seeing.

.Peter.D.Marsay.

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Hehe.... as was said already - the movie ITSELF is always in english. The movie was made by Tornatore&co in english. (Or else - Tim Roth speaks italian?! :-O)

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Thank you for this. The first time I saw Tim Roth was in this film, I didn't like violent films so I hadn't seen RD's or PF. I think he has the most lovely and kind face I have ever seen, anyone who has seen him in this film must realise that he plays the lovely kind men far better than he plays villians. Although he is pretty darn good at both. It was just so moving and it is now one of my fav films.

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I have just remembered another brief part of a scene cut from the original version in the international release. It is during the scene when the young 1900 is asking Danny about orphanages etc... When Danny says that there are sharks on land that would eat him alive, he adds that the worst sharks are the white sharks, and he lifts his shirt to show quite a lot of scars on his back from whippings. I thought that this might have been cut for a similar reason as the part at the end when 1900's joke is extended, about having a black or a white arm, that being purely not to be offensive/possibly accused of being racist. In my opinion such things shouldn't be cut for such reasons, as of course with the film being set in the time frame that it was, this is a very relevant and important topic, even though it was only in the film twice briefly. I also thought that 1900 saying at the end that the only reason he would want a white arm and not a black one is for aesthetic reasons shows that even though Danny told him about white 'sharks' like he did when he was little, he wasn't racist or biased by colour, which of course would be expected as he is white and one of his closest friends and Father figure was black. Also having grown up among so many different people from so many different places, he would probably not have had any reason to discriminate between race, living so closely with so many people with many different colours of skin/languages etc... Sorry if that little explanation is a bit unstructured, but, I've just let it sort of stream from my head as I've thought it.

.Peter.D.Marsay.
'http://www.ymdb.com/pdmarsay/l33012_ukuk.html'

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Hi, I just want to double check:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9127280553

Would this be the one you have?

Thanks!

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Yes that does appear to be exactly the same version as the copy I have. Hope you get it, and enjoy!

.Peter.D.Marsay.
'http://www.ymdb.com/pdmarsay/l33012_ukuk.html'

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The lovely and strange film that leaves the heart touched and angry at the same time.

I haven't seen the extended version; probably it could make the new opinion in me. The one I saw was the shorter, traditional one. But reading the useful "spoilers" (thank you Peter D Marsay) I nevertheless haven't got the clues to some episodes. I wonder, was it planned so by the author of the novel (Baricco) or is it the problem of the screenplay only.

First of all, there's no explanation why and how did 1900 learn to play piano. In his circumstances, this unique ability seems to be almost impossible. I can't believe that no one ever asked 1900 where has he got his talent from.

The second strange thing is the 1900's and Max' behaviour in the end. I don't know how long does it takes to write off and utilize a giant ship. But who may answer the question: how long did 1900 live on the abandoned ship without food? He was to be more exhausted physically when Max found him.

And Max, why the hell has he left his best friend to die a horrible death? It doesn't matter what 1900 has said to Max before. If it was MY friend, I'd better take him away from the doomed ship despite his monologues. But Max just laughs when 1900 tries to joke about his hand torn off. It's time to cry, not to laugh! At least, Max could take 1900 on the deck to show the workers that he was right and there's a human soul on board. But he left saying nothing and showing no one and let them explode the ship. Throughout the film Max looks as a very good-hearted man, and his final decision to let the forlorn 1900 die looks both unbeliavable and cruel. Was there any motive or reason to behave this way in the longer version or book?

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When I have watched this film, in either version, I have also thought of such questions, which at first glance could appear to be plot holes. My first attempt to answer these questions is always to look to the title of the film, specifically the 'Legend/Leggenda' part. The fact that it is intended to be a sort of legend, almost in a sense a tall tale, seems to me to at least partly justify such relatively obvious questions being left unanswered. I mean after all, you're never really done for unless you've got a good story, and someone to tell it to. (I've always noted that we don't ever actually hear 1900 saying that himself...) When I have watched the film I have also thought that perhaps 1900 could have just got on to a different ship, perhaps even without stepping on to land in between, by walking across a gang plank of some kind, or even by jumping, if the two ships were close enough. But then I've thought that he wouldn't do that, because it could/would spoil him, it's quite hard to explain what I mean but; for example if someone was trying to break the world record for holding their breath, and they broke it, they wouldn't want to just stop because they'd broken it, but to continue for as long as they could afterwards as well. I'm comparing this to 1900's life on board the Virginian, which he could feel is a part of who he is, a huge part of his uniqueness. Also, after listening to his final speech about land, and God's piano, like Max, I don't think I'd be able to argue with 1900, and I think that the speech is very convincing and Max could have been, and in my opinion was indeed 'taken in by it,' in the sense that he realised that what 1900 was saying was true, and couldn't be argued with really. I also think though that the/a reason that Max didn't then try to get 1900 off of the ship against his will was because he respected him as a person and as his old friend, and knew that if he tried to have him dragged off onto land he could end up losing his friendship and trust, and to lose the friendship and trust of someone like 1900 would be a loss greater than almost anything else. In the end, it was up to 1900, had it not been for him revealing himself to Max on the ship again at the end, Max would never have even have had the chance to try and talk him out of it, and to hear 1900's side of things. The fact that 1900 did give Max this chance also I think reveals more of the depth and closeness of their relationship, no matter how distant 1900 might seem, he showed his friendship and trust by letting Max know he was still there, and as 1900 said, Max was the minority in this regard, and he'd better get used to it. If Max had tried to 'rescue' 1900, I think it would have almost been insulting to him, breaking a very unique and precious friendship that had taken so many years to build up to where it was. In reply to your final question memmori, the answer is no, there is no more explanation in the longer version of the film (I am afraid I cannot comment on the book as of yet,) apart from a greater explanation and a more in depth look at Max's thoughts and knowledge relating to 1900, revealing more of how he truly appreciated 1900, which strengthens my above opinion(s)/arguement. I also remember how, as the shop keeper suggests at the end, the situation left Max feeling 'quite useless.' Again I apologize if my above argument/case is unstructured and not entirely complete, but I have, as before, just written it all down as I have thought it, with only minimal editing before posting. I'm very interested to hear what your opinion(s) are on the subject now.

.Peter.D.Marsay.

'http://www.ymdb.com/pdmarsay/l33012_ukuk.html'

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I just saw the original longer cut of the film again last night, and here are a couple of other things that I noticed that I couldn't remember before and therefore did not include in my original post.

First is after 1900 has been taken down into the boiler room for the first time, after Danny finds him on the piano in first class. There are some alternate takes of the same scenes here as in the international cut, with some of the lines being more easy to hear, and some less. But the main thing here is that Max narrates more, comparing 1900's arrival to the second coming of Christ, right after the song 'Thanks Dannny' is sung, as I described in my original post.

Next is just before Danny is hit by the big metal hook, which eventually results in his death, where we see that it is stormy weather, with all the workers staggering around and constantly adjusting the balance of the weight in order to stay upright, as the ship is rocking so much. We also see the hook that eventually falls shifting in it's position as the ship rocks, making it's imminent fall seem excruciatingly inevitable.

There were also other things I noticed which I hadn't before, but I'm not going to write them all down, or any more, unless I notice or remember something big and/or particularly important, because there are so many of them, and most of them are very small things to do with slightly differently edited scenes, and extended takes etc... They are of course all very interesting, and in my opinion important in some way... but, if you want to find out more, I'm afraid you'll just have to get your hands on a copy! Which I highly recommend doing anyway. See one or two of my other posts above for details of how I got my copy, if you're interested. I hope this has been interesting and informative, feel free to post replies or to e-mail me with any questions/comments you may have. Thanks for reading.

.Peter.D.Marsay.
'http://www.ymdb.com/pdmarsay/l33012_ukuk.html'

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Thank you Peter for your thoughtful explanation of the movie. I understand your point of view, but have some arguments too. You wrote

>>I also think though that the/a reason that Max didn't then try to get 1900 off of the ship against his will was because he respected him as a person and as his old friend, and knew that if he tried to have him dragged off onto land he could end up losing his friendship and trust, and to lose the friendship and trust of someone like 1900 would be a loss greater than almost anything else.<<

Well, but un the end, after The Virginian was blown up taking the life of 1900, at that very moment Max lost his friend for ever. He lost his friend, their friendship, he lost all chances to talk to him again, to hear his voice and his music; he lost more than we can imagine. And he could save 1900 and save all the great things mentioned above. Even if the post-Virginian life would be sad and unconmfortable to 1900 at first, he could change it somehow. He could play on a different ship, he could play with max in jazz band of his own name, he could find that girl and marry her, finally, he could even kill himself if he'd dislike his new life! It was Max' job to explain him that the life and the old ship are not the same things. Everybody feel something special for the place of their birth; but if this home sweet home exists no longer, people still live on instead of dying heartbroken among its ruins. Max did really NOTHING. he was so heroical and passionate trying to break through to the Virginian, he argued with the dockers, he was ready to blame their chief for manslaughter, he spent a lot of time trying to find 1900 - and after all his efforts it is enough for 1900 to say Max a few touching words - and Max turns from a lion to a sheep and shuts up. This is not a respect or friendship. This is a capitulation. Max just gives in without a fight. 1900 is a prisoner of his illusions, and Max does nothing serious to release him. His words are fake, his ideas of the new life for 1900 dull, his behaviour passive. It was not how the true friends behave.

I may be wrong, but my idea of 1900 behaviour in this episode is: he revealed himself to Max to give them both a chance. Max has got a chance to save their friendship; and 1900 himself has given himself a feeble chance to rescue. Both failed. When Max goes upstairs 1900 calls him TWICE. Possibly he - despite his suicide decision - still waits from Max any REAL action? he can't cry "Save me!" because his position to stay has been already well explained and he can't stop. But I see in 1900's last grim joke about torn hands the last attempt to remind Max that the real price is his, 1900's, life, and tomorrow he will be dead if Max will do nothing. But Max does nothing but weeping. And leaves him to die.

During their conversation there was at least ONE chance for Max to try. When 1900 says that he doesn't exists to anyone but Max, it was Max' turn to promise him to change this situation. He could, in fact, run back to the deck and cry out that he found his friend inside. Would it be against the will of 1900? I don't think so. He'd never mention this to Max if he'd really like to stay alone.

So, I see Max made his friend a dead man, himself an accomplice, and the dockers became murderers. The question is: had he any right to do this way? NO.

Excuse me if this message was not so well written but I just tried to make my viewpoint clearer. Tell me what do you think about. Regards, Maria.

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I read your viewpoint and I find it interesting... but, being quite experienced with the different people who see and comment on this movie you perfectly fall into the category of "those who wish he had left the ship". The explanations why vary, but the main point remains - some people just feel so attached to 1900 by the end of the movie that they cannot see him die. So such people apply interpretations to these things which interpret characters in some compromise-way. Like yours "he didn't want to die, he wanted Max to save him".

"Well, but un the end, after The Virginian was blown up taking the life of 1900, at that very moment Max lost his friend for ever. [and rest of the paragraph]"

But now... remind yourself 1900's explanation! Or read it:

http://www.whysanity.net/monos/legendof1900.html

He didn't lose 1900. Yes, he lost the bodily 1900, but he remained friends with him, always. Had he somehow got 1900 off the ship, then Max would have lost him totally. 1900 would not have started playing in bands or on another ship. He even refused to play when in port, remember? And he didn't want his music to "leave him" (the recording part). In words of 1900: "Land? /.../ It's a music I don't know how to make."

Now you say "1900 is a prisoner of his illusions". But who are you to claim that he is a prisoner of his illusions and not us? Or why not call Max a prisoner of his illusions who realizes the truth after 1900 has really explained it to him?

1900 might sound illusioned or even nuts, but really - are our lives any more "sane"?

About friendship. A true friend would understand, he wouldn't just, ignoring everything what the person says, cheer him and promise better life. First of all comes understanding and cheering only follows that, and only then when it's worth anything. Max understood 1900 so knew there is no way of cheering 1900 because 1900 isn't even sad about it (he's even joking!).

In fact, I believe had Max somehow got him off the life for 1900 on land would have been far worse than dying on the ship. We're all humans - keep that in mind, he can't make a magical transition no more than we could.

And last, Max and the dockers couldn't kill 1900 because... remember - he never existed. :)

(I'm not just joking here, this was emphasised enough in the movie so it becomes more than simple mentioning of "he officially doesn't exist". It becomes a metaphysical paradox about his existence - he exists, but he doesn't exist.)

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I agree with both Maria and hakeem although you two kinda have a disagreement here. Yes, it cannot be crueller to see a friend die when you have the ability to stop him from dying, no matter what way you use.
However, I am also convinced by 1900 that he belongs to the very ship, physically and psychologically. As a true friend, Max is no wrong to respect and understand his decision to disappear together with the ship, and it seems to me that his gone with the boat is inevitable, because he is a LEGEND.

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I don't understand why Max didn't suggest to 1900 that he get off the ship and get a job on another ship! If that didn't work, he could have knocked him out and dragged him off the ship! He might have figured 1900 would just kill himself (probably by jumping of a bridge) but for 1900 to not go on land even temporarily to search for another shipboard job was kinda stupid. But it makes for a better legend.

I must give high praise to pianist Gilda Butta, who played the piano parts. There were numerous styles, and this woman played them all with extreme chops! Also, the director gets very high marks for the very realistic faking that the actors did on the trumpet and piano. I am a musician, and was amazed to see the right fingerings for the trumpet notes, and many correct notes on the piano. The timing, coordination was amazing- better than any musical film I've ever seen.


As far as directors' cuts go, the (same) director's cut of Cinema Paradiso is also much better that the excellent film that was out in the worldwide release. There are many details, indeed entire subplots that were omitted. I'm sure there must be a thread about that in the IMDB under that film's name.

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You must have misunderstood some things there. There is no "Director's cut".

The 160 minute version IS the worldwide release, the 120 minute version is US release which later has been shown elsewhere too. However, the 120 minute version didn't even exist until about year after the 160 minute version was released.

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To memmori, I agree with much of what you have said, and I think I also, to a certain extent fall into the category of people who wanted him to leave the ship, as another poster said. But I also agree with them that 1900 was right and that Max would have lost his friendship if he had somehow persuaded or dragged 1900 off of this ship. If he had got off the ship, where would it have ended...? The end, can you please just show me where it ends? I can understand your frustration, but I am on the side of 1900's not leaving the ship was best, for whatever debatable reason. He was never a part of the world, it simply passed him by, two thousand people at a time, with him watching, learning, understanding, but never truly integrating or relating... Thanks again for your thoughts and comments, I can see that this debate could probably go on forever!

.Peter.D.Marsay.
'http://www.ymdb.com/pdmarsay/l33012_ukuk.html'

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"it simply passed him by, two thousand people at a time"

nice line

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Fantastic.

.Peter.D.Marsay.

http://pdmfilmreviews.blogspot.com/

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I'm just re-watching the film now, and it's the final scene.

This version has a 120 minute run-time, if you don't include the log closing credits, and the "white / black arm" speech is in it.


(just for the record.)

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That's very interesting, can you give us details of the DVD please? Such as the Region Code, where you got it, cover art etc...? Thanks.

.Peter.D.Marsay.

http://pdmfilmreviews.blogspot.com/

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I just started watching the US version last night, but the dvd broke before it was over. Then, I looked it up on line to discover the original was much longer (just like CInema Paradiso). So i ordered the 2-disck 165 minute version and will hopefully get it in a week or so. I figured there was a longer soundtrack. Where did you get it! -Thanks

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Hello! I got my copy on the Italian eBay - http://www.ebay.it/
I'm hoping to get the Blu-ray soon though, from the Italian Amazon - http://www.amazon.it/La-leggenda-del-pianista-sulloceano-Blu-ray/dp/B0 041KW6HU?SubscriptionId=AKIAIY4YSQJMFDJATNBA&tag=bluraycom0c-21&am p;linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B004 1KW6HU&m=A11IL2PNWYJU7H

You can also get the longer edition of the soundtrack, again from the Italian Amazon here - http://www.amazon.it/La-Leggenda-Del-Pianista-Sulloceano/dp/B00002470Q /ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1357460348&sr=8-7

Hope that helps!

Peter D. Marsay
Filmmaker/writer
My short film: https://vimeo.com/43632174

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You are most kind, Peter. Thank you. DO you need a PAL Blu-Ray player for this? Where did you get yours? I tried to purchase that CD (at a great price) but a message came on that it could not be sent to my address...in the US. So I wrote to the seller, begging him to send it to me (in English) for additional cost to mail. Why must America destroy Italy's films?

SO, I just tried to by the CD from Amazon-Canada, although it says OUT OF STOCK, for $55.
It's out of Print so I imagine I won't be getting one from them. And I bought a 2-disc DVD from Amazon.UK. It has the same Illustration on the cover, I think it is MEDUSA and the correct running time. I DO have a region-free DVD player. I just want to see the intended film and the complete gorgeous Morricone (my idol) score. It's getting costly. I also just ordered MALENA even though it does not have English subtitles. I have seen the American Version, so it will be nice to see all of the footage and hear all of the music! Many Thanks!

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I believe you'll need to order via the Italian Amazon, and yeah that will be a region B Blu-ray... If you're asking where I got my Blu-ray player, I live in the UK and got it from a shop here.

The 2 disc DVD you bought is the same one I have I think, if all the text is in Italian. The DVD menus will be too, but they're fairly self explanatory, such as the Italian for 'subtitles' being something like 'titoles'! I haven't seen the originally cut of Malena yet, it is a pity the films get butchered before reaching Western eyes...

Peter D. Marsay
Filmmaker/writer
My short film: https://vimeo.com/43632174

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The full lenght movie is available on Amazon.com as well:

http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Leggenda-pianista-sulloceano-NON-USA/dp/B0013KUL8M

And let it be noted that any computer dvd-player plays any dvd, regardless of the region. :)

If you want to watch it on your widescreen dvd, just hook your computer up with your tv. Or just use a projector and a white wall to watch it. ;)

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