Most underrated film I can think of...


03.00 Am they showed this film in Sweden, can you belive it? This is the time they usualy show horror B-movies when the people who still are awake are only the teens without any a life. I was so surprised to see this movie was a drama, not only that but a wonderful drama, one which made me cry...

How come I had never heard of this film? Why did it not win 7-10 oscars, it came at the same time as titanic, has the same epic feeling in it but has much better actors and this one really touches our hearths..

I was surprised to see that the film is Italian, but now it makes sense as it simply doesn't follow any kind of order I am used to in other films. It i´s just such an inteligent and moving film. A very intelectual movie which goes straight to the hearth, that is very, very unusual I think.

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You made a brilliant unintentional spelling mistake when you said that this film goes straight to the "hearth" (instead of "heart"). "Hearth" is much more appropriate. This film should in fact be thrown in the fire.

I don't think I can agree that it's an "intellectual" movie, but I guess that depends on how much credit you are prepared to give to its director. I’m not sure if one can subscribe a definitive “meaning” to any film, given that what we take from one depends to a great extent on what we bring to it. Like all art, film offers an opportunity for reflection: to engage in a dialogue with the filmmaker and ourselves. If we accept that subtext and metaphor are active and vital elements in cinema, we will read the information provided by stories and characters as a way of discovering the essential intent (or meaning) in the work, bearing in mind that the interpretation of any work of art says as much (if not more) about the spectator as the work itself.

Few of the comments posted about THE LEGEND OF 1900 have considered the logic and/or meaning of the film, but if one looks just below the surface, one can read it as a metaphor for the lost glory of cinema. Whether this was Tornatore’s intention or not is hard to say, but given that he is the director of that other over-blown paean to the movies, CINEMA PARADISO, it's reasonable to assume that cinema could be one of his thematic preoccupations. Behind the narrative of THE LEGEND OF 1900 lies evidence of a resigned nostalgia that suggests that the greatness of film has passed. Like a big old rusted ship consumed by an indifferent ocean, the brilliance and splendour of cinema has vanished, and movies can now only aspire to repetitious cycles of dead-in-the-water entertainments: one lumbering TITANIC after another. Given the year of production, one can see it as a comment on the first 100 years of the medium.

There is a pivotal scene near the end of the film where Max (Pruitt Taylor Vince) searches for the character known as 1900 (Tim Roth) within the rusted bowels of the abandoned ship (the wreckage of cinema?). 1900 (the embodiment of the "true" artistic nature?) has never been on dry land (mainstream crowd-pleasing movies?), and as the ship creaks and groans beneath them, Max (the embodiment of commercial expedience?) hopes to convince him to leave the ship before it is destroyed. He describes land as a place of infinite choice, but 1900 replies that he can't abandon the ship (his artistic calling?). In his heart Max knows that 1900 could never accept the "sea of anonymity" (mediocrity?) that life on "dry land" promises. Having no place within this world (a world dominated by Hollywood, the epitomy of American commercial opportunity?), 1900 goes down with the ship (the discarded, irrelevant notion of cinematic art?).

So the question is, did Tornatore intend THE LEGEND OF 1900 as a denunciation of big-budget commercial Euro-puddings, cleverly made in the vacuous style of its worst excesses (criticising the likes of TITANIC by emulating it!), or did he simply make a vacuous film? I suspect the latter. As one character says, "You're never really done-for as long as you have a good story, and someone to tell it to". That should have been, "someone to SELL it to"!

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Hey, don't care about the spelling, I am not english speaking you know...

Anywyay, I am happy to hear about your opinion about the film and even if it didn't touch you something in this movie did this for me. I never saw the movie with that point of view, as a metaphor to today's cinema. Nevertheless the movie is beautiful without any hidden message.

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AGREE! Most Underrated with an amazing score and of course TIM ROTH being on my fave's to see, he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

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uh, I think I can just conclude that I don't agree with you at all. But I've already posted my opinions about it on other thread here (Jump ships) and of course you got the right to have your own opinion. I just think you went looking for it from the wrong place. Keep in mind that the movie is based on a book, I really doubt one would write a book about today's cinema that way decades before today's cinema...

As an answer to the original poster. I so agree! Stupidly they also cut the movie to just 120 minutes for the american version. That I believe is why it didn't win the foreign movie Oscar too. But can you believe it?! Cut 40 minutes out of such a movie?! Blasphemy?!

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i think you all gho much further than the movie requires. go reading baricco's "novecento" qand then you'll understand that this movie was made to tell a beautiful story, no symbolisms or hidden meanings at all...
cheerz

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That doesn't mean that a wise director can't add something to his work of art. After all, when different theatre directors take a same text each of them will make a completely different show. Even though they follow each line, each word as the author wrote. And the novels offer so many possibilities more...

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Fascinating observation, thank you for that.

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They showed the movie at 3 AM because it IS a crappy B-movie. It was a horrible movie. The reason it did not win awards or oscars is because the story was idiotic, the acting mediocre..example: A kid with no piano training and no experience outside the ship can play better than Jelly Roll Morton? *beep* Playing an instrument well comes from experience in life. Morton grew up in a hard way, in a whorehouse, playing in juke joints, getting in fights, drinking, whoring around. When he plays, he plays form life experience. 1900 was a stupid, virgin, non-experienced "idiot savant" who merely copied Morton note for note, and at the end merely played faster to "win".

I was NOT suprised the movie is Italian, as it sucked. You call it an "intelligent" movie? You, sir, are na idiot. You can't even spell "intelligent".

He could have gotten off the boat if he wanted to, he was a coward, that's all. He was an idiot loser. How is that touching?

The scene with the piano rolling around on the ballroom floor (despite the bench not being attached) was the gayest thing I've seen.

The little kid goes up and without ever having even seen a piano, sits and plays it like a master? You call that "intellectual"?

The guy sneaks into the women's dorm and finds the girl he likes, then kisses her while she is sleeping? That was waaaay creepy... You call that "intellectual"?

This was on of the stupidest, poorly written movies I've seen in a long time. They were trying to cash in on the Titanic popularity, that's all.
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Thank God that all "intelligent" people are Americans and knowing the English spelling makes them so superior to others who may know perfectly dozen other languages... but who cares if English isn't among them. They are lower beings, somewhere between snails and crabs. No pity once they become extinct species.

Besides... I'm happy that (except a big boat) I have seen nothing Titanic-ish in Novecento. If I had seen, I wouldn't ever visit this board, as I have never felt any impulse to visit Titanic board.

You don't understand the scene where 1900 kisses the sleeping girl? I guess you never had need to do it. I have never done it either, but I understand him. We (you and me) are simply different. You live your life that is "brave" (you would leave the ship and ignore, run over every ideal that you had (if any), you wouldn't be a "coward" to stay and do what you've believed in (if there was anything that you've believed in). Probably every scientist that has ever risked his life is a moron, Martin Luther King was an idiot because he wouldn't have been killed if he stayed anonymously in the mass, not to mention how big coward Jan Palach was.

I really feel sorry for your loss of time, for your bitter experience of watching this movie. You should be careful next time and play safe with Dirty Harry (from 1 to...?), Rambo (from 1 to infinity), American Pie(s) and their intelligence, intellectuality and logic.

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I agree that this film is really underrated !
Well, I can guess some of the reasons. As my mother said - it has very sad ending. Other reason is that it has some non understandable phrases and situations for some people. This film is not intellectual or actionstyle - this is feeling story, that make us tears, with great fulfill piano playing... piano is the same like Harp - instrument of feelings.
I only can regret that not so much people can understand other person, their fears and dreams, can feel the same like other do...
p.s. Sorry for my English, it's not my native language
IMHO - this is the best film that I've ever seen. Even when i think that 2nd place is Matrix trilogy, and 3rd one places LOTR trilogy. Cause other film stories are not based on such different feelings, beautiful music and unique story.

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It's just a beguiling fairy tale for our time, told the way all great fairy tales are - by someone who was there carrying the regret that things could have been different. I thought it was beautiful - utterly implausable, but who cares? I couldn't take my eyes off it!

I only found out that it existed because my Dad ( who has since passed away and was a great musician) saw it late on British tv one night and tried to describe it to me. I worked out that he was talking about Tim Roth and worked out the rest on IMDB. He was thrilled when I found him a copy of the soundtrack CD and DVD then we enjoyed the film together, two musicians marvelling in the pure escapism of the glorious music. We agreed that the portrayal of music as a force that is within was captivating and, if there were no other distractions, could grow and become a form of communication and statement in it's own right.
It is irelevant that Jelly Roll Morton had a colourful life experience that obviously shaped his talent, but this is a fable, it didn't really happen!

Maybe I am biased about the film now because of this personal association, but I'm greatful that it is centered around a film that I now love and will continue to enjoy.

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Absolutely.

This is a lovely film that has a heart. It is sentimental without question but is redeemed by the glorious music by Ennio Morricone, beautiful cinematography by Lajos Koltai, and a terrific jazz piano duel between the adult 1900 (Tim Roth) and Jelly Roll Morton played by Clarence Williams III. 1900's world has clearly defined limits and he is fearful of venturing beyond.


A true friend is one soul in two bodies.
- Aristotle.

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Agreed. This film is tragic and beautiful, but hardly any adult I talk to knows about it. I was only a toddler when the film came out, but I'm surprised it wasn't more famous at the time.

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Exactly, I love this movie so much. While it may not has the same meaningful theme as movies like The Shawshank Redemption, it provides pleasant music that touches your soul. Seeing it only rated 7.9 on Imdb is beyond me. In my heart, this is a perfect 10. The Imdb only reflects the opinion of majority people, apparently I'm excluded from it.

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You're a person, Tianqiluo, you can vote!
Give it your 10.

Now listen here, you mugs, nobody gets to say 'Meh' anymore unless you're Edward G. Robinson, see?

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I had a part time job at a video store from about 1999 - 2005. We watched about 3 movies a night (mostly "family"flicks, a few, more than once. The best part was that I could take a movie home to watch every night!
(Pick a movie, any movie....) I could take 3 or 4 if they weren't New Releases and I had a day off.

So, I've gotten to see a lot of movies, low/high budget, foreign/domestic, all genres, etc. Sometimes when I'm looking up one movie here, IMDb says "What about these 6, seen then?" And I have to remind myself, which have I've seen?
That's how I got here to "1900", and I'm glad I did. Great movie, only remember wonderful things and can't think of anything I didn't like.

Was reminded of "1900" when looking up Jelly Roll Morton from 1947s New Orleans. (I thought he was in Stormy Weather. )

Happy to see others liked 1900 as much as I had. Too bad, so many folks think differently.
Oh well, I don't like Freddy and Jason and a lot of other people do.



Now listen here, you mugs, nobody gets to say 'Meh' anymore unless you're Edward G. Robinson, see?

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