Elizabeth Stride has recently been though by some commentators to be a doubtful Ripper victim ...several differences in method suggest she may have been killed by a non-Ripper murderer
Well, actually that's not entirely true. It is indeed the big question if Liz was a JTR victim or not, and i'm still not 100% sure what to think. But however, the method she was killed by was exactly the same as the previous/following victims (apart from mary Kelly).
All first four victims (meaning: Nichols, Chapman, Stride and Eddowes) had their throats cut while lying on the bare floor outside, which was always a big mystery as mostly it was pouring rain. So it suggests they were willing to lay down, and that was higly unlikely under the circumstances (prositutes would "serve" their clients while standing up in those days, by the way).
Some think he cut them while they were falling down, others think he forced them - even though there were no signs of a struggle.
Also, the cut always started from left going right, cutting once, and almost severing the head. They all had similar cuts, circumstances and the same cause of death.
So it is very possible Elizabeth Stride was a JTR victim after all, but if she was he probably was disturbed during the murder. She was killed near a crowded building, and people were walking in and out. Only a couple of minutes before her body was found someone passed by and saw nothing (mind, she was laying near the entrance). Then only a very short time after, someone passed by and there she was. Also, the wound on her throat was still very fresh, as blood was still gushing out. It is thought that her murderer, whoever he was, was hiding behind the building or in the bushes, which was possible.
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bradjanet
13 years ago
http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-strd.html
But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.
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beckapoe
13 years ago
Thanks for the link. I did read this page in the past, and this is what I thought of it:
It was never proven that the killer of the other victims was left handed.
In fact, they initially thought it was a possibility due to some facts, but later it was stated that he could well have been right handed too and most probably even was (though, it seems lots of sources seem to forget to pick this one up..).
About the sites. All victims, apart from Mary Kelly, were murdered in an area where the murderer(s) could have been caught easily. Not just Liz Stride.
For example, Nichols was murdered in Buck's Row and on the opposite side were Essex Wharf and a warehouse, which had working men coming in and out all night (changing shifts). Don't think I need to explain myself on this one.
Chapman was murdered in the early morning, sun was already starting to rise. So he could easily been seen (with his victim or leaving the crime scene). There were 29 people living in the house of the backyard where she was killed, and some already were awake and preparing to leave house (through the backyard) and don't forget she was killed near Spitalfields market on a market day. So alot of people were already out in the streets. Chapman even has been seen with a man (if they spoke the truth, of course).
Eddowes was murdered on Mittre Square during the same night as Stride. Though she was killed in the darkest corner, Mittre square had 2 police men living on the site and every 15 minutes a police officer would check the scene.
I'm not saying that Stride was a JTR victim, but I haven't read anything on the casebook page that proves she wasn't either. To be honest, I think casebook is a great website and I read the forums alot. But the information on their website pages include quite a few errors, because alot of false reports on the murders have been spread throughout the years. If you want all those errors and myths gone and read something more close to what really happened, you should read The Complete History of Jack The Ripper, by Philip Sudgen. Even he will probably have made some mistakes, as the whole case was so chaotic to begin with, but he's very close to the truth and based himself upon REAL evidence and facts, which are all explained by him.
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bradjanet
13 years ago
So, who is your favourite suspect ... i rather like Francis Tumblety.
But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.
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mrfrankowski
13 years ago
What's also highly unlikely (even impossible) is that Freemasons were remotely responsible for the killings. As far as I'm concerned this film gives really bad name to the Freemasonry and might fuel all these rubbish conspiracy theories about New World Order, etc. I'm not going to go through the details but as a Freemason I felt rather offended by it.
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