Ok..I just saw this movie today and I was like WTF?! The house is haunted and these two boys leave their sister and mother. Then years later Paul(Glover comes by. I got that they were old friends and became romantically involved and Oprah lives with her youngest daughter Denver. I got that part. Then Beloved comes along at first with all these bugs on her and then tied to a tree stump in front of Oprah's yard. From there until the end I'm sooo lost!! After Oprah sees Beloved, she runs into the backyard and takes a mean piss. What was up with that?! Then Beloved has like this nasty respy voice which turns normal. Then she gets pregnant but disappears. I got it that Beloved was Oprah's daughter whom she killed when the white people came. Ok..let me get to the point. CAN SOMEBODY PLEEEEEEEASE EXPLAIN THIS MOVIE TO ME??? I'm sooo lost and don't know what the hell went on!! I'd appreciate it!! Thanks!!! Please do not get all mad and write negative things here....I do not understand the movie at all.
I don't remember exactly but I think Beloveds neck was cut or tied, so that explains how the vocalcords weren't functioning proberly. If I'm wrong about that it could just be that she was dehydrated, you see how she gurgles water like her life depends on it after she arrives at Sethes.
Maybe she pees because she is scared, because she sees someone looking as bad as Beloved did and she is reminded of her days as a slave.
I've not read the book, but I will, maybe then I'll understand it completely.
I have not seen the movie, but the book is great and I think it would clear up all of your questions. I will try to summarise it for you though (although there is a lot more meaning under the basic plot). Ok, so Sethe ran away from the farm to 124, and on being persued by the "white men" kills her children because she believes that death is better than leading a life of slavery as she and paul had. She only manages to kill Beloved, who then returns to haunt her later. Beloved is not techincally a ghost, she is a "rememory" (something explained with a lot of detail in the book). She is part of Sethe's imagination and guilt, that turned out so real that it can be seen by others. Beloved eats away Sethe's life in a similar way that her guilt would. Sethe feels that she has to give everything to Beloved beacause she did her wrong by killing her. Beloved should be a baby if she were a ghost, but she comes back a woman because it is to Sethe as if she had never died. As for Sethe's long piss, there is a lot of repetition of water in the novel, and if you trace the water imagery throughout the book, you will get a clearer idea of what it means. Beloved has a raspy voice because she was strangled to death by her mother, the marks on her neck remain for a while. When she dissapears at the end it is because Sethe tells her to. Sethe, and Sethe alone has the power to make her dissapear because she is her "rememory". It does not actually matter whether she is fat or pregnant, the point is that she took everything from Sethe, her food, her time, her boyfriend etc. Basically, the whole story tells the suffering that Sethe and the people around her have to endure because of slavery and Sethe's fear that her children will be returned to it. Beloved is not necessarily evil, because she is just a baby in a woman's body, and takes whatever she can possibly get, requires undivided love from Sethe, in order to live. I hope that helped a bit. Hopefully not more confusing...as I said, I have not seen the movie and I am not sure what is actually in it.
About the "taking a piss"... I think I read somewhere that this might symbolize birth. Let me quote from the book: "She never made the outhouse. Right in front of its door she had to lift her skirts, and the water she voided was endless. Like a horse, she thought, but as it went on and on she thought, No, more like flooding the boat when Denver was born. So much water Amy said "Hold on, Lu. You're going to sink us you keep that up." But there was no stopping water breaking from a breaking womb and there was no stopping now."
That's what I love about Beloved. All those hidden meanings. :)
Heh, you're welcome... actually, I was sort of confused at first, too. Strangling sounded so familiar... but yeah, it was because of this scene in the woods. Hmm, by the way, I don't remember. DID Beloved strangle Sethe in that scene, or was it imagination, or something else? I don't think I remember...
I think she does actually strangle her. But if it is only metaphorical or figurative, I think it would still make sense and have the same effect. Maybe it does not make a difference. I love the ambiguity in this book!
Indeed. ^^ The ambiguity, the symbolism, the many, many hidden and double meanings... Everyone who likes interpreting things and finding meanings, would love this book, I think. XD
That's fine, but we never saw Sethe "not make it to the outhouse". She walked off-camera and then they cut to a shot of her squatted and peeing. As though she deliberately planted herself there. This is one example of many where this film was just a jumble of poor choices in adapting a great novel.
There are arguments that Oprah shouldn't have played Sethe. I think her casting was fine, the problem is that the film wrongly made her the protagonist when it really should have been Kimberly Elyse's character. She was the one who underwent the most change and they could have utilized her better as an outsider to comment on the action - probably necessitating voice overs.
Richard LaGravanese is a brilliant screenwriter (A Little Princess, The Fisher King, Bridges of Madison County), but WOW this was poorly adapted and then poorly directed to boot. I suspect he was forced to be so faithful to the book by the producers (read: Oprah, Demme & co.) that he didn't have the ability to REALLY adapt the story into something cohesive from a cinematic standpoint.
Thanks Eclair79!, I watched the movie last night & loved it but didn't understand it but reading your explanation makes it all crystal clear! Thanks a million!
I agree with everyone who said read the book. It is much better than the movie and should answer all your questions. I saw the movie after i read the book and felt the movie left out a lot of things which make it easier to understand.
Thanks to everyone for this discussion, esp. the book explanations. I saw the movie last night but haven't read the book. I figured out some of it but by the end wondered truly what the heck had just happened! LOL The discussions and explanations here have helped connect the dots! I thought the movie was fascinating and the acting superb! I really couldn't stop watching it. Everyone was great, esp. the girl who played Beloved. You weren't sure WHAT was going on with her until the story unfolded more and that actress was amazing! All in all a very interesting story and mesmerizing cast.
I hope everybody does read the book, because it is VERY good and if you liked the movie, you will never forget the book. Another book you may be interested in is Toni Morrison's "Song of Soloman" - it's the best!
I think if everyone read your post after they watched this film it would probably be in the top 250. That was great. The whole movie was great but sometimes people fail to look beyond the surface. I cant believe this film only has a 5.6 rating. Its as if people didn't like it because they didn't understand it and they did not want to take time to figure it out. If thats the case Muholland Dr is a bad film.(which it isn't) It just didn't spell everything out for us. pretty much like Beloved.
Don't worry. The book version of Beloved didn't translate very well into film. It's hard to understand if you haven't read it. (It's hard to understand while you're reading it, too.) Like others have said, definitely check out the book if you're interested in the story.
yes, it is a complex film, but not difficult to understand with a bit of life's knowledge.
I noticed that some posters have given incorrect information:
All but one child was killed - Denver is the only surviving child.
The boys were ghosts as well. It showed the boys and the baby beloved (the eldest daughter) killed by Sethe with a saw - she cut all their throats and was about to kill denver as well when the black man showed up and grabbed her off sethe. Later in the story, when beloved has sethe in her clutches, the boys return to sethe - but return as ghosts (just like when they left).
To denver, she is traumatised by her mothers memory, Sethe thinks the boys are alive and that the poltergist made them leave, however, they were really dead, and denver was seeing things that didnt exist, just like how beloved shows up - the power of the mind is amazing. we see it all the time with magician's.
when beloved gets reborn in the river (the place where denver was born) she shows up and sethes waters break (like she is giving birth again)
I am not sure what i would do in the same situation, however, as a white woman living in a western world, i have no idea of what black women went through at the time of slavery, nor now. This film helps me understand what may have gone on back in those times. For a female slave it was traumatising, being the property of someone else (someone else decides when you wake, eat, sleep, procreate, or even die) yes it is a fate worse than death and Sethe has the strength to choose for herself what will happen to her own children.
I find it really interesting how most posters to this forum think that Sethe has a real choice, her choice is to allow the white men to take her children into slavery, or to kill them - she has no other choice. What would you do if you knew your female children would be gang raped, would bear children to the slave owner and any male children he had, would be beaten, branded. And a similar fate to your male children? It's not like we have to make these choices ourselves these days.
anyway, I could go, on, but essentially i agree with you, it is a top film and depicts how desperate a mother can be to save her children from a fate worse than death.
The boys were ghosts as well. It showed the boys and the baby beloved (the eldest daughter) killed by Sethe with a saw - she cut all their throats and was about to kill denver as well when the black man showed up and grabbed her off sethe. Later in the story, when beloved has sethe in her clutches, the boys return to sethe - but return as ghosts (just like when they left).
To denver, she is traumatised by her mothers memory, Sethe thinks the boys are alive and that the poltergist made them leave, however, they were really dead, and denver was seeing things that didnt exist, just like how beloved shows up - the power of the mind is amazing. we see it all the time with magician's.
Never thought of it that way. It looked like in the scene where she cuts the baby's throat that the boys are still alive. It looked like one was opening his eyes. Maybe it was just my imagination. But your explanation makes sense. I did find it strange that the boys were NEVER heard of again after they left in the beginning. They never wrote and they never came back to visit. Makes sense that Sethe imagined them still being alive and that they left because of the ghost. They were young at the time so where would they run away to? Makes sense that Dever imagined them too but then again she saw Beloved so it's possible she imagined everything too.
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