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Why restore poor quality footage in the DC?


Okay I understand restoring poor quality video with the stars in the frame but why use a crappy quality 2 second clip of a nobody dancing, could they not just reshoot with extras? And when Shane almost steps onto the dance floor the first time, it is just a shot of somebody's feet!! Could they not just shoot a double?

This is a bootleg, not a directors cut. Nowhere on iTunes does it mention about the poor quality scenes so I emailed them and got a refund

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Ryan Phillipe even confirmed that they got him back to record audio (although I didn't even think the new voice intro sounds like him at all) so if they can do that then why not film "nobodys" to fill the missing scenes with no major actor in the frame

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I could tell it was him and immediately recognized the difference. Of course he's a bit older than he was when it was originally done so his voice sounds different.

You can't reshoot a movie that was produced more than 15 years ago. Club scenes were shot on a sound stage in Canada, the set of the club most likely does not exist anymore. I would imagine Mark Christopher was also trying to produce this cut as easily and as inexpensively as possible. I had no problem with the re added footage, i knew what i was getting going in. I read he was using alternate sources from the production because the actual footage had been destroyed, it's unfortunate the studio felt they had to do that. What I saw wasn't too bad.

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They couldn't find the negatives of all the scenes so they used the VHS footage instead of not showing anything at all. I actually like the low quality footage in the club when it showed people dancing because it added to the retro effect. I didn't like it when it was randomly inserted in the middle of other scenes, for example Ryan's kissing scene with that older guy or the boys' fight in the coat room.

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It costs money to book the location/studio space and to book extras. The other thing is, we don't know if that was shot on location or if it was shot on a studio set and if the set has been struck down since.

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I don't think you can create an HD quality picture from a VHS quality source. I believe when they restore old movies they are still working from the original film negatives.

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The director said at the San Francisco screening that did not keep the original footage but strangely kept the VHS dailies which is an unusual thing to do

Sometimes studios keep the footage and we get amazing HD restores like Richard Donners Superman 2 (watch the documentary about the restoration)

But then the opposite they get rid of everything like William Peter Blattys original footage of his vision of the exorcist 3 and his wife had commented saying morgan creek(?) have destroyed it all!!

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What kind of old 50s movies are you talking about? It's not like 54 was some critical hit in its time like Rebel Without a Cause, so why would the studio keep all of the negatives?

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Well, it was really the director that wanted to make the director's cut, not the studio. I don't think they expected it to get the gay cult status it achieved.

I don't think this movie, even the Director's cut, is award worthy, though perhaps Mike Myers is worthy of an Oscar nod. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the film. But it still could have been better. I feel like Shane's depression at Christmas time kind of came out of nowhere, and it could have been developed a little better. I think Shane's developing attraction to Greg could have been handled better because the kiss almost came out of nowhere. When Shane is watching Greg and Anita have sex, I could just have easily interpreted the scene as Shane feeling bad that Anita is taken by another guy. We get to see Anita through Shane's eyes, but we never really get to see Greg through Shane's eyes. Besides the occasional STD, the movie also never really explores the consequences of an unbridled hedonistic lifestyle. Overall, the movie is still basically fluff, a wet dream starring Ryan Phillippe, it doesn't really go into anything deep or heavy. The movie is not Cabaret, but it could have been.

Interestingly, back in the '70s, male bisexuality was a common theme in Oscar bait movies. Glenda Jackson starred in at least four movies where she played a woman sexually involved with a gay/bisexual man. The bisexual love triangle is so appropriate for 54.

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Here's the sad truth of the situation... it was very common-place in the 1990s for studios to just throw out any unused footage from a movie, especially if it didn't do well, because - while you're right that they SHOULD have thought that through - they just didn't.

It's well documented, and this is far from the first time this has happened.

The same thing happened to Event Horizon: when that film had become a bit of a cult classic and Paramount wanted to do a special edition DVD, the director got clearance to assemble a director's cut... only to find that all the footage had been completely destroyed except for a couple scenes that were in terrible condition due to improper storage.

And Miramax did the same thing around the same time as 54 with Hellraiser: Bloodline. The theatrical version is a piece of garbage, but there's a much longer director's cut that was leaked as a bootleg workprint that was actually pretty decent - but again, that footage likely only survives as VHS. Miramax just blatantly didn't care.

So yes, it sucks that 54 only survives with some scenes from tape sources... but this is the best it will ever look. So we have to be thankful that it at least survived to this extent. Don't complain about the quality when it's legitimately a miracle that it even exists in ANY quality.

And as for the remastering question from earlier in the thread... what you're looking at in the director's cut IS the tape source (digibeta, not VHS - a bit higher quality) remastered and up-resed to HD. That's as good as it could possibly look, believe me - I've had to do the same thing for editorial work in the past. You can clean it up as much as possible, but at the end of the day, tape has a very distinct quality that it will always have.

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"Okay cool, but with today's technology they can take the VHS quality footage and restore it to HD. "

Not possible dude. Those movies from the 1930s look great in HD because they were made on 35mm film, same as this one. They always looked that good in other words (age/damage notwithstanding).

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The scenes were restored because they were the original scenes; thus the definition of a "director's cut." Do you have any idea of the cost to re-assemble a cast and rebuild sets and re-shoot scenes? Obviously not. I personally didn't care that the added scenes didn't always look 'Hi-def,' because I was just so thrilled to actually have a chance to see this movie in it's undiluted form. It amazes me how spoiled and demanding people have become. Suddenly they are "too good" to watch anything that isn't 'hi-def Bluray. Thousands of people are grateful to get to see this. How dare you complain? Who the hell are are YOU anyway? Nice way to get a movie for free, but if I worked for iTunes I would have told you to stick your refund up your dumb ass.

#hands up don't loot

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Honestly, because the sound doesn't change I could care less about the way it looks. In fact, it just makes it grittier and seem authentically 70s. Reminds me of the way Summer Of Sam changes when Mira Sorvino and John Leguizamo dance to There But For The Grace Of God Go I. This cut is a huge improvement.

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In fact, it just makes it grittier and seem authentically 70s.
I'm not into the film that much, but it is quite interesting noting these obviously restored scenes featuring home movie quality footage bobbing up at regular intervals in the DC.🐭

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