iraqi shots a guy with ak47 and he says "i'm ok", how stupid? AK47 penetrates any vests and from the short distance for sure. *beep* stupid americans.
Anyway i'm glad i've watched this movie finally, after such a long time, I can't keep up with all these stuff happening, and there is Iraq and Saddam again even after 8 years it is still up to date story.
But movie was very very well made and acting was perfect. Well done
ha, yeh i just rewatched this and i was like... right... and not even in the vest, and the bullet squashed, and no pain or anything it seems... so i laughed and moved on, because its a movie!
shareThe vest would probably have stopped a copper jacketed lead bullet, but the ammo used at that time was most likely steel core, which would go right through the vest.
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Steel core 7.62x39 ammo was the most readily available and by far the cheapest centerfire ammo for sale in the USA for several years. Since the federal definition of armor piercing ammo is a PISTOL CARTRIDGE made to (with a brass, steel or other non-lead steel core) defeat body armor, it was no problem to own the stuff for your rifle. But when Bushmaster made a pistol chambered in 7.62x39, all of the cheap ammo for the ak's and sks's was banned for those who did not have a license to use it.
Now all that is commonly available is the lead core ammo, is it more expensive, but a little bit better suited for hunting.
Military grade body armor is not just the kevlar that is used in police and civilian vests. They often have ceramic plates in them that certainly can stop an AK47 round.
sharethe vests in use during 1st gulf war was a "fragmentation" vest rated to stop grenade/mortar/artillery fragmentation projectiles, and not a "bullet proof" type vest that is currently in use in gulf war II.
the frag vest barlow had on would not have stopped and ak round...that shot would have killed him. this type of early vest, again, was rated to stop grenade/mortar/arty fragmentation...but quite possibly could stop a 9mm pistol bullet as it is roughly equivalent to threat level IIa bullet proof vest....but it would not stop an ak round.
the new type of body armor in use currently in iraq is more "bullet proof like" (though still referred to as a "fragmentation" vest) for two reasons:
1) newer developments in kevlar makes for a better soft vest that is roughly equivalent to threat level III body armor (a higher level of bullet "proofing" than the earlier vest)and 2) the in-conjunction use of ceramic ballistic plates that can add more protection in the chest/back area that can defeat rifle bullets like the ak47 round.
simply put, barlow would've died in that scenario in the 1st gulf conflict, but a soldier in the current conflict would probably not have given the same scenario and the advances in military body armor tech.
Yes, I'm a Desert Storm Veteran and I rembember well that kind of body armor. I hated it. It was heavy, bulky, couldn't run worth a damn with it on and it was not bullet proof. It would not stop an AK round although I'm sure it would slow it down some.
shareThere were a couple of video clips from a Dutch documentary a while ago posted on Youtube, showing four different rounds beeing fired at a "bulletproof vest";
.22 long, .45acp, 9mm parabellum and AK-47.
The .22 long and the .45acp didn't penetrate the vest at all, the 9mm penetrated a couple of layers of the kevlar, and the AK-47 went straight through the vest into the wall!
All but the .22 long were FMJ ammo.
Not sure which class that vest was, though...
The newest vests can stop an AK-47 round(7.62x39) But not a M-16 round(5.56)
The vests used in Desert Storm will not.
"This is a place of welcoming, so you can just get the hell out."
"The newest vests can stop an AK-47 round(7.62x39) But not a M-16 round(5.56)"
Thats unfortunate considering in Gulf war one, there were more friendly fire casualties than hostile.
Wahlberg would have been dead all things considered..
The Gulf War I vests (PASGAT) were sparingly issued and remember they were more like Flak Jackets not Bullet-Resistant vests. They were designed to protect against shrapnel and debris mainly; maybe even against small caliber rounds from pistols. They would be useless against 7.62mm rounds, ESPECIALLY at a range of 10 metres or so. The vest wouldn't have a chance.
When the Defecation hits the Oscillation.
Yeah and wasn't he like national guard? Don't they get the short stick when it comes to gear?
shareWhy do I gotta be the first one to tell this *beep* to shove his anti-american remarks straight up his ass? This dude brings up American Hate speech in a conversation about guns.
Where are you from, OP?
Please let me know where utmost common sense and factuality is the corner-stone for every production movie made in your fantasy land.
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I'm on-board, some people will use anything to take a shot at america/americans these days...
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Let me add something more. Americans know the deal about how certain things work, like for example the ability of this body armor. The director probably put this in the movie to show how sub-standard Iraqi firearms and ammunition were or maybe he added this cartoon violence to the movie to appeal to the simple uneducated tastes of naive foreigners who don't know their @$$ from a hole in the ground like the OP.
shareNot really the director was smart. By including futuristic body armour that could stop Ak rounds he was able to make the film more believable (since people can get shot).
The vests issued in the early 90's were made out of tightly woven nylon and were intended to stop shrapnel and not bullets. They weren't much different than the Vietnam-era equipment. They were based on casualty studies from WWII and Korea, which indicated that indirect fire was the primary threat to ground troops during a conventional war.
It wasn't until the mid-1990's that we started getting the kevlar vests with ceramic inserts. These types of vests are capable of stopping a rifle round. There were several different variations but when I was on AD, they first started cropping up in Bosnia and Croatia, and later Kosovo deployments.
Even during the second Gulf War, there were massive logistical issues with getting ground troops the newer bullet-proof vests vs. the old flak jackets.