the ones who have already seen avatar, didn't it reminded you of princess mononoke? the whole movie was the same but avatar in the future and in another planet
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Its sooo funny that you posted this because that is what I thought of when I saw the movie. there are definitely many similarities. I have seen Avatar twice now. The life and creatures in the forrest.....reminded me sooo much of Princess Mononoke.
shareAvatar did remind me of this movie. I loved both.
sharehow about the other way round?! it's ten years older!
btw *beep* Avatar!
yeah,mononoke ripped off avatar!
shareThey both ripped off Ferngully, and they all three ripped off Pocahontas!
It's just a very archetypal story, and PM and Avatar are probably the most well done of this story type.
Mononoke didn't rip off the entire storyline of Pocohantas. The only thing that you could say is the same is the Theme. Which is a pretty broad statement.
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Ferngully came out before the Disney movie Pocahontas. Princess Mononoke is better than all those movies.
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You should be punished for saying that Mononoke ripped off Ferngully!
shareseen this movie yesterday and that is what i was thinking, Avatar is almost a perfect copy of Mononoke-hime. Kind of they just adapted the story to make it more commerciable
So mononoke has blue aliens fighting a privately owned military force?
shareYou're right, ebronste. While there are clear influences on AVATAR from PRINCESS MONONOKE, it is absolutely ridiculous to call the Cameron film an "absolute copy" of the anime film. I consider it a compliment to Miyazaki that Cameron was influenced by him, just as it is a compliment to the original "Outer Limits" series that Cameron was also influenced by that source. But get a grip, people! There's nothing wrong with a creative person having influences from other sources. And if you call AVATAR a "copy" of any other film, then you just as glibly say the same about virtually every film made in the last half century. At the very least.
shareThis is rather unknown today, but until about 1900 it was a usual custom to mention your sources and texts with a similar theme when publishing something. Scientists still do so today. It was among others Hollywood which started to copy other peoples ideas without giving them any credit whatsoever. These are just the same companies which very strongly defend their own "copyright".
The current absurd legal situation makes it supposedly difficult to outright say in the credits "We used ideas form this and that source". Sensitive directors circumvent this problem by the following simple trick: They show the similar media in the movie, as a book lying around, as a movie running on a tv in the background, by citing specific lines etc.
Right to the point and this is obvious through many themes: the lonely female warrior,the idealist 'foreigner',the spirits of the forest (reproduced as the seeds of the holy tree in Avatar), the battle between an invasive humanity and a self-sustaining nature,etc. Mononoke keeps ownership over those themes, and its plot is definitely more profound. However, Avatar's distinction is not in the plot but in the art direction and the 3-D execution.
shareAvatar was reminiscent of most movies that have a pro-environmental message. I think Mononoke was the better of the two movies, it was quite a bit more subtle (there were no extremely good or bad characters) and didn't even try to have a scientific explanation of gods or nature.
shareI want to make these points clear: I think the attacks on AVATAR are unfair and in some instances childish, showing a lack of understanding about storytelling and the fact that any film can be connected by influences to earlier films.
And I do think that PRINCESS MONONOKE is the better film.
The fans of PRINCESS MONONOKE don't need to trash AVATAR as some kind of a misguided means of defending their favorite. You can acknowledge how good Cameron's film is, without changing the fact the Miyazaki's film is still superior, since it is so rightfully considered the greatest animated film ever made.
If anything Princess MOnonoke should show us what an original, evocative movie of the same themes could be.
And also shows us why AVATAR failed to deliver up to its potential. Look what PM showed us. Something we had never seen before. The Plot of something similar to pro-enviro themes, but the execution of STORY in a way we have never seen.
This is what AVATAR did NOT do. And this is why it will never be a classic.
Why all the negativity towards Avatar? I mean, i also prefer Mononoke Hime, since it is probably my favourite movie ever, but nevertheless did i like and enjoy Avatar very much. Maybe the story wasn't told in a "fresh and special" way, but that does not automaticially make it a bad movie. You have to give the vision and intentions of Cameron credit(which are in the core quite the same as those from Miyazaki i suspect).
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The reason I am being somewhat negative toward AVATAR is because I believe it represents everything wrong with American cinema to a degree, if not America itself. All flash, spectacle, little or psuedo-substance. Nothing new, or original just putting a glossy painting on things that has been done much better for much less.
Miyazaki created a story with the same things but showed them in a way we have never seen before, and because of that, is a timeless classic. Yet, did it receive all of the attention AVATAR has, probably not. Yet, AVATAR which has shown us things we have all seen before, a plot so predictable and unoriginal I knew exactly what was going to happen, is being called the best film in DECADES? The best sci-fi fantasy since STAR WARS ?!
I think AVATAR was a great technical, and even artistic achievement, but winning best DRAMA, its just about sickening.
I really like James Cameron, and I think AVATAR was a good film. But to me this is the equivalent of calling the Harry Potter books Pulitzer Prize material, and that is EXACTLY what is happening with AVATAR.
Bravo. All the hype is what is unfavourable to Avatar, for a movie that is basically a mixture of borrowed ideas that maybe new to americans but has been around for decades. I'll wait for the day when Miyazaki creates a 3d movie with handdrawn animation.
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haha yeah it did, thats exactly what i thought of when i got out of avatar! avatar also kinda reminded me of the lion king for some reason
shareI see the similarities between the two movies, however Princess Mononoke did not have the strange foreigner who sided with the agressive side until part way through when he changed his mind. Ashitaka was always a thrid party figure. He did have his own agenda to push (his cursed arm) but he wanted peace from the beginning.
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I saw Mononoke-hime 3 weeks after watching AVATAR...
so i started to feel few few similarities,while watching MONONKE HIME first i felt a similarity in the introduction scene of the old boar(tribe leader) who leads his tribe to fight against humans.
from there on i started to point many similarities... such like the tree(whewre small white spirits live),main forest spirit.. and it goes on..
any how both are good movies but MONONKE stands on top the table !
If Mononoke had cost $500m to make they too would have had to cater to dumber people in order to make their money back. Avatar is good for what it is though.
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