Have Kull and Conan ever met in some form or another? I know they share the same villain in Thulsa Doom but have they ever met? I know Kull and Solomon Kane have but I'm curious to know if there were ever any stories that had Kull either going forward or Conan going back in time.
shareWell, I have noticed Thulsa Doom's banner on the wall in the king's castle somwhere in 15th-17th minute of the film, I don't know exactly when. "Two snakes ... facing each other" - priceless :)
When I was watching this on the TV I didn't realize that this film was based on Howard's work, but now it makes sense.
But I believe that Kull and Conan never met in any form. As someone said earlier they are apart for thousand years in novels. And I think that they have never met in comsics either. But I could be wrong.
In Howard's stories--the only canonical tales of Conan and Kull--Kull is an Atlantean of the Pre-Cataclysmic Age. After the Cataclysm, the Atlanteans become beast-men and battle for survival with the Picts. Several thousand years later, the Atlanteans become human again and emerge into the Hyborian Age as Cimmerians. Conan is a Cimmerian; thus, the two have some distant racial connection but nothing beyond that and in fact are not even aware of each other's existence. I hope this has cleared up any confusion regarding the relationship between Kull and Conan.
I was under the impression that Conan was Kull's son, but I may be wrong.
shareConan is not Kulls son. In Howard's works, they are indeed thousands of years apart and of different cultures and such.
Howard created Kull and he never quite caught on, but then he reworked Kull into Conan and had a hit. He did a Kull story called "By this Axe, I Rule" and it was reworked into the Conan story "The Phoenix On The Sword."
I think an old Marvel comics in the 1970s had Kull and Conan meet up at one point. Kull was magically transported to Conan's time. And I think some other time they sort of insinuated that Conan was a reincarnation of Kull, but that was sort of an in-joke about how Howard created them.
Indeed, there was a story in where coincidently both of them were met. Somehow, by magic, Kull's kingdom was transferred to Conan's time. I hardly remember the story, but as I recall both of them shared the same enemy and they fought together before Kull's kingdom dissapeared to its own time. Nice story though.
shareThulsa Doom was only the enemy of Conan in the movie. In Howard's stories Doom was always nemesis to Kull.
shareYeah Thulsa Doom was Kull's enemy but only in one story and we was *beep* lame too. I'll get you next time, Kull, next time! Reminded me of Inspector Gadget.
shareActually Thulsa Doom was Kull's enemy in only one story.
shareActually, in Howard's stories Kull met Bran Mak Morn but not Conan. I believe the name of the story is Kings of the Night.
shareYou are correct. It's the only crossover story Howard ever wrote for any of his major heroes. It's an excellent, moody story. Retroactively it's a sequel to the even better Worms of the Earth.
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I was under that impression too. It must have been a rumor going around when the movie came out. I know I've heard/read it elsewhere.
In fact, I just watched it tonight, and the whole time I was distracted, trying to figure out how Kull relates to Conan was very distracting. The whole, "Barbarian becomes troubled king," bit mirrored the ending of Conan 2 (and having just read the trivia, I now know why).But for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how Kevin Sorbo could go from victorious king at the end of Kull, to slaughtered peasant (Conan's family was killed by the James Earl Jones character, right? It's been too long.)
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Is this according to Robert E Howard, Marvel, Darkhorse, Hollywood, or who ...?
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Kull was summoned 100,000 years into his future to team up with Bran Mak Morn in the Howard story Kings of the Night. Bran was said to be a distant descendant of Kull's Pictish friend Brule.
The Kull stories are good. Shame they weren't published when REH wrote them but then we may have never gotten Conan.
Kull = Conan
Arnold didnt want to make a third movie so they changed it a little bit...
Obviously not a reader, you.
Kull, in Howard's stories is an ancestor of Conan. In a story from an out-of-print collection of his lesser known works "Black Canaan", the main character has a vision of his ancestors appearing before him. Kull, Conan, on up to Solomon Kane and beyond. This was one of a few times where Howard references that his heroes are of the same bloodline.
Last I heard, Arnold WAS considering a third Conan movie before he entered politics. It would have been from the time when he became a King and father.
Conan the King is the era I'm most fond of, so here's hoping they eventually make a movie based then.
As for Doom just being Conan's enemy in the movie, he was also in the Marvel comics, albeit maybe not truly alive, he did exist during Conan's time. Keeping in mind Marvel isn't Conan canon ;)
What story? I've read Black Canaan and can remember no such reference from any of the stories in the book.
sharei recall the vision conan had of his ancestors,, and i wish i could find where he and kull meet,,the last kull story really leaves a person hangin tho,, as for the movie,,it could have been better and as for conan,,id love to see arnold reprise his role as the novel intended,,an elderly king describing his travels to a squire who dutifully records it..then maybe flash back to an adventure,,with a younger new actor to whom the torch can be successfully passed on to,,how about it have i got anyone here to back me up on it?
Well i think Thulsa Doom was only for the movie Conan the Barbarian, but if you think about it, it makes sense that they share the same villain because i can't remember when it was said - but in Conan the Barbarian someone says Thulsa is said to be more than a thousand years old.
shareAs far as the Kull = Conan 3 comment I have a link that will clear that up.
http://www.rehupa.com/vanhise_kull_paved.htm
Also there was talks with Arnold to make a Conan 3 right before he entered politics. So there has been 2 or 3 attempts to make Conan 3 but they have all fallen through.
From what I understand there is a Conan 3 so to speak in the works right now and from what I know so far it will not have Arnold. I think what they are trying to do is ignore the first two Conans and remake Conan more like the way Howard intended him to be. But that's just my impression based upon what I have read so who knows.
I believe it was Cormac Mac Art that had the fore fathers vision. I have yet to read all of Howard's stuff, but I believe it is implied they are all of the same line.
In the Marvel Magazines Conan and Kull did meet in a cross over or two.
Has anyone read any of Jordan's Conans and other authors that have taken him on?
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oh yeah jordan does a good conan book,, as does carpenter,, i have read most of them and i hae gotten into the the conan novel far easier than the dragonlance and forgotten realms,( i do love tasslehoff burrfoot and the Darl elf himself,, in their own stories ,, but they just arent conan..
shareKull the Conqueror is a 1997 fantasy action film about the Robert E. Howard character Kull starring Kevin Sorbo. It is a movie adaptation of the Conan novel Conan the Conqueror, with the protagonist changed in the face of Arnold Schwarzenegger's refusal to reprise his role as Conan and Kevin Sorbo not wanting to redo a character already played. (This is ironic, as the very first Conan story, "The Phoenix on the Sword", is actually a rewrite of the Kull story entitled "By This Axe, I Rule".) Note however that the Kull story, "By This Axe, I Rule", is very similar to the story line of this movie, and is a more likely basis for the movie.
Screenwriter Pogue has stated on several occasions that he was extremely displeased with this film, feeling that his script was ruined by studio interference.
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