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This is Quentin Tarantino's "Rio Bravo"


Quentin Tarantino("QT") has many times professed a love for Howard Hawks' 1959 Western, "Rio Bravo." On one occasion, QT said that he tested potential girlfriends by showing them "Rio Bravo." If the lady didn't much like it...out.

One of the things QT said about "Rio Bravo" was something like "its not just about its opening weekend performance in 1959...its how it has lived on for decades as a comfortable movie you can watch again and again."

This is one of the connections that "Rio Bravo" has with Jackie Brown. Its opening weekend is long ago now -- December 1997 -- but its a movie a lot of us watch at least once a year, or any time we see it on TV ("Hold it...its Jackie Brown...I'm watching this.")

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Both movies are long and rambling. OVERlong, said some critics of both movies. But if you like the worlds and people of both movies, you don't want them to EVER end.

Both movies have many scenes of different characters talking and interacting. From Kill Bill 1 on, QT became much more of an action director, but with Jackie Brown, there is a pleasure in just sitting back and watching people converse with one another. They did that in Rio Bravo, too.

Both movies have a respect for older aged characters with sexual feelings. In Rio Bravo, older John Wayne has feelings for younger Angie Dickinson, but their love is more verbal than carnal. Pam Grier and Robert Forster are age-peers, but have the same kind of comfortable, lived-in affection for each other.

Both movies have some action, but not a lot. And both movies are deadpan funny.

Both movies have large ensemble casts:

Wayne, Martin, Brennan, Dickinson, Nelson.

Grier, Jackson, Forster, DeNiro, Fonda, Keaton.

and...leaving where I came in...both movies can be watched, comfortably and with gratitude, again and again and again.

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"From Kill Bill 1 on, QT became much more of an action director, but with Jackie Brown, there is a pleasure in just sitting back and watching people converse with one another."

Hmmm.... Disagree. Death Proof was WAY more about dialogues than any of his movies (even though it is his weakest movie). His last three movies were also highly pointed toward the interactions between the characters. And Kill Bill Vol.2 was way slower than Kill Bill Vol.1. I really don't see how did you come to this conclusion..

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"From Kill Bill 1 on, QT became much more of an action director, but with Jackie Brown, there is a pleasure in just sitting back and watching people converse with one another."

Hmmm.... Disagree. Death Proof was WAY more about dialogues than any of his movies (even though it is his weakest movie). His last three movies were also highly pointed toward the interactions between the characters. And Kill Bill Vol.2 was way slower than Kill Bill Vol.1. I really don't see how did you come to this conclusion..

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I suppose you could say I "rushed to this conclusion," rather confusing two issues. Certainly the QT penchant for talk -- and lots of it -- continues on from Kill Bill 1 on, but QT took about 6 years off between the laid back, chatty Jackie Brown and "Kill Bill" and -- clearly something happened to his sensibilities. There is more action WITHIN his talky pictures after Jackie Brown -- the bladed battle that climaxes Kill Bill 1; the extended car chase that climaxes Death Proof; the assault on Hitler at the movie theater in Inglorious Basterds, and the running gun battle at Candieland in Django. Indeed, The Hateful Eight gets back to talk, but there are a few big bloody close-range shootouts along the way.

Meanwhile, in Jackie Brown...its mainly middle-aged people talking....the sensibility is as much Elmore Leonard as QT. To repeat: "something happened" in the years after Jackie Brown. QT hung out with young goremeister Eli Roth whose ultraviolence came through QT in Kill Bill, Death Proof, Basterds(where Roth PLAYS a psycho sadist) and Django. QT also elected to sing a song of love to the King Brothers Kung Pow Kung Fu cheapo epics. Jackie Brown -- despite many of its characters getting killed by the end -- is sedate and "for the matured viewer" in comparison.

And that's what I guess I was getting at. QT without his trademark dialogue isn't QT, but he sure does push harder on action since Jackie Brown.

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Nice post
I enjoyed Rio quite a bit but Jackie was pretty much perfection imo
And that romance that never came to fruition...might be Q's best but that is certainly debatable...
Thx!

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Thanks for reading.

It seems to me that QT's first three films -- Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and Jackie Brown -- are of "one piece": contemporary crime pictures set in roughly the same South Bay/North Hollywood urban locales in Los Angeles. Almost a trilogy. And among those three, Pulp Fiction is the Great One, but Jackie Brown sure feels more mature, "meaty" and thoughtful.

After completing that trilogy and taking six years off, QT came back with fantastical Kung Fu, trips to Japan and Mexico(in Kill Bill), trips to the historical past in period pieces(WWII Europe, the American South, and the American West), two Westerns(Django and Hateful Eight), and one contemporary movie directed to look like a grindhouse cheapie from 1975(Death Trap.) Much more stylized, much more period driven. A whole new QT.

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Hmm
I like your thoughts
Pretty damn good breakdown of a career arc...
I cant wait to see what he delivers next!

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Thank you. I've been a fan for years of QT, but it took me awhile to realize that he really did make a big "internal change" after taking those six years off...even if the true "connecting thread" of ALL his films is that great, unique dialogue.

Rumor has it, his next one is about the Charles Manson gang murders in 1969 and the LA rock music culture surrounding them. But its just a rumor. QT handling such a well-known true crime case rather boggles the mind...how will he fit his dialogue into THAT? How will this master of ultra-violence approach the gruesome Tate/LoBianca murders?

Brad Pitt rumored to star as a cop on the case...

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Holy crap that would be amazing!!
I Read Helter Skelter years ago and it was chilling...really scary stuff

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Yes, to all points...

Thanks for chatting with me.

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Cheers bud!!

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