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People can't handle the bad guy winning...


This is the reason, particularly now with focus groups, every movie (including those based on books) is changed to have a happy ending. This movie probably took a hit in the box office, but realistically speaking if you're going up against a millennia old demon.... who do you expect would win?

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I liked the ending. And it was kind of a twist, but stayed true to what was established as Azazel's abilities.
Happy endings are highly over rated. ?

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Happy endings? How would this movie be even close to a happy ending if Hobbs had been successful? His brother was dead, Sammy had probably killed his father, Hobbs was dead and would forever be remembered as a psychotic cop killer. The truth of course being he saved his nephew, a lone bright spot, which is fair to offer the audience after two hours of invested time.

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This movie was far from a happy ending and I’ve noticed that not all movies even today have happy endings. So I don’t know where that statement came from. Although, I have noticed some movies have happy endings to appease the viewers, even though a less happy or grim ending seemed more likely.

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I think there are several reasons why this is so, and here is a non-exhaustive list:

1. Many people take great comfort in the predictable and the routine. They go to the same restaurants, order the same food, watch the same film (or at least the same plot), and they don't like changes. Films that vary "the routine" are unpleasant.

2. A great many people see film as morality advocacy. The film must have a clear hero, who is clearly "good" (by their standards), and good needs to "win".

3. Countless people view film with a vicarious intent. They imagine themselves as the Star, and imagine they are proceeding in the same method. Obviously, for these people, when the Hero loses, they lose. An automatically negative experience.


(FWIW, I loved the film)

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If hes a legendary demon, the movie could not have killed him

Darkness lies an inch ahead

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Sorry dude, everyone pays. Forget morality, even demons have to pay to for consequences of their actions.

Which is why sometimes I love Supernatural.

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I wouldn't say it's a new phenomenon. Look at The Bad Seed (1956). The original book and stage production had the girl getting away with the murders she committed, while the movie version had her die at the end because Hollywood's "Hays Code" required that all criminals depicted in movies must pay for their crimes, either arrested or killed.

Even in its supposed "golden age", Hollywood ruined a lot of good material with this idiotic production code.

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That's why the 'golden age' was the best era for hollywood. Not too many people cared about 'realism' in movies.

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What do you expect now that the Participation Trophy is old enough to vote with their dollar? Realism & the good guy losing are lost on them.

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Heroes winning is part of the old fashioned entertainment. I like it.

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