So Milano killed himself hoping to trap the beast. How did the demon get to the cabin? wasn't Milano found alone? Wouldn't someone have to bring the demon to the cabin, be killed by Millano and then Milano gets possessed and kills himself?
Theres no way Millano could have done this all by himself. if i missed something let me know
did Milano kill himself of his own accord so that the demon wouldn't get to his family?
I liked the ending.
shareI think Milano killed himself to save his family as he knew he wouldn't be able to beat the (framed) murder charges. It seems the demon would pick a certain person to "go after" as that was what it did for fun. Milano killed himself but left clues as to why so that hopefully someone would come along and figure it out, as Hobbes did.
shareI also think that Milano killed himself moreso to save his family than to beat the demon, although he was probably hoping to kill Azazael too but obviously wasn't that confident about it. With Milano dead, Azazael would lose interest in murdering/tormenting the former's family members.
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Millano went to the cabin to destroy the beast. If he went to the cabin not yet possessed someone would have had to bring the beast there. Who was that person? How did Milano become possessed? Should there have been a second body (the person who brought the beast to the cabin?)
If he was possessed when he killed himself how did the beast escape?
Not to be rude, but did we see different movies? It was fairly obvious.
His partner was possessed by the demon. He shot the partner, who was possessed by the demon. The demon entered Hobbes, but he was smoking a poisoned cigarette. Hobbes had read that the demon would die if it couldn't find a new body to inhabit within one kilometre after dying. The partner was dead, Hobbes would be dead - that's why the demon uses Hobbes body to run at the end, so it could get near something living. Unknown to Hobbes, the demon is possessing a cat mid-film, even though we as the audience suspect this. So the demon just possesses another animal (forget which animal it was), is still alive, ready to continue his murderous cycle.
I have contemplated this - the only way to destroy the *beep* would be with some sort of nuclear blast or something that vaporises all life for a kilometre or so around the demon. And he'd have to be in the middle of it. That, or possibly in the Arctic/Antarctic or somewhere equally desolate.
Great, screwed up ending though.
Um, not to be rude, but he was talking about Milano, NOT Hobbes. You know, the guy from years earlier that killed himself in the cabin?
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shareAzazel didn't go to the cabin to confront Milano.
Hobbes: "Why do you think, Milano came all way out here, to this beautiful place, in the middle of nowhere."
Azazel: "Do die, the chicken sh!t."
Hobbes: "No I don't think so. I think he wanted to do, what I'm gonna do, but he couldn't pull it off."
Hobbes is explaining that Milano couldn't pull off the same thing as him. Milano didn't even try, he just killed himself because the evidence mounted against him.
That does not make sense, does it?
Why would he kill himself, without trying to kill the demon first? He could have always killed himself after killing the demon. That would make a lot more sense, because Milano should have known that the demon will continue killing people.
What about this:
The demon came to the cabin, killed Milano and make it look like suicide.
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The same as above, but Milano did kill the demon, but would not commit suicide. Instead the demon possessed Milano. Killed "himself" and than possessed an animal or something.
There are a couple of possible conclusions.
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I have a theory that Kazan either had something in mind to explain this, but failed to insert it into the movie. Did anyone notice how odd Sutherland acted? It was almost as if he knew the story of Milano and knew every reason Milano did what he did. My theory is that Sutherland was Milano's partner. As his partner, he saw the same things going on as Jonesy did with Hobbes. From Hobbes' point of view, until he understood what was truly going on, Sutherland was just being a protective Lieutenant. As similar as Hobbes and Milano ended up being, I think Azazel made it back to society through Sutherland's character, since Milano had either committed suicide or actually was killed by his partner.
Any thoughts on this?
this is 100% the same thing i thought when i first watched it. Sutherland seems to know way more than he lets on but its never explored in the movie
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I think Sutherland just knew about Milano and his "fall from grace" within the department. Any creepiness, IMHO was just a red herring.
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what do you mean "no creepiness"? who do you explain the "touch" scenes then ?
shareMandy_Whitsands ~ I should have been clearer. I was referring (and answering) a specific post. The portion of the post to which I was specifically referring was:
Did anyone notice how odd Sutherland acted? It was almost as if he knew the story of Milano and knew every reason Milano did what he did.
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shareYes, there is something covert with Sutherland's character and what he knew. He was very reserved when talking about Milano to Hobbes. And I want to know what happened to the nameplate of Milano on the award board????
shareI think sshazz's theory is closest to what was implied in the film. It seems to me that Milano possibly found out as much about Azazel as Hobbes did, and Milano tried to lead Azazel to a very remote location to attempt to kill it. However, Milano failed by trusting whoever it was that came to him (possibly Sutherland's character) and that person, possessed by Azazel, killed Milano, made it look like a suicide, then simply returned home to report the "suicide" and then move to another host. Hobbes felt he'd outsmarted Azazel by poisoning himself, but no one (except the audience) could have known Azazel can possess more than just humans, so once again the attempt to get rid of him failed.
shareAnd if the demon did temporarily possess Sutherland at the time Milano died, Sutherland wouldn't be able to remember once the demon moved on to someone else.
shareHere is what I think. Stanton either was around when it happened, or heard enough of it to see similarities with how Hobbes was spiraling down the proverbial rabbit hole same as Milano had. The "Brass" has told Stanton to keep Hobbes off the case of Milano so as to not dredge up an old incident of a great cop turning into a murderer, etc and having to try to explain why he "accidentally" shot himself. To a good detective like Hobbes, that wouldn't fly. He'd dig deeper and they didn't want the story coming out again. As for what happened to Milano in the woods... it is entirely possible Azazel had grown tired of him and went up there with another person, like what Stanton and Jonsey did, to bring Milano in, only Azazel's host was killed either by suicide or by Milano attempting to beat him, then Azazel possessed Milano and forced the other person help clean up the scene and get rid of the body, then shot himself and took over the other person and returned to town to report that he found Milano's "gun accident". The other possibility is that Milano wasn't as prepared for the fight as Hobbes was and simply couldn't pull off the timing, thought he had mortally wounded Azazel's host and then killed himself to defeat him, not realizing that Azazel's host would live. In any event, it is fairly easy to beat Azazel, all it takes is some planning. Someone mentioned it was only 1/6 of a mile, so that's less than one lap on a highschool track. If you were Hobbes, unable to be possessed by touch, you could stun him via taser, blackjack, etc... cuff him and take him out to an area where you had time, like the cabin. Strap him to a chair in a clearing, measure out a little more than 1/6 of a mile, rig an IED or ready your rifle, the bomb goes off and drives away any animals nearby, and you are out of range so he can't take you. I would find more research before attempting this so as to be sure his limits, but you don't need a nuke or massive forest fire to get the job done.
shareThat would work unless Azazel can possess things like insects which would still be around in the clearing. And then a bird could always be flying around in the area too.
shareYour posit makes the most sense to me. Sutherland seems to know more than he was letting on especially in the beginning but nothing came off of it.
shareThe same as above, but Milano did kill the demon, but would not commit suicide. Instead the demon possessed Milano. Killed "himself" and than possessed an animal or something.
no because in that case 2 bodies would have been found, not only Milano's
It's also possible that Milano didn't know what his daughter and Hobbes ultimately found out. Remember, Hobbes said that he THINKS that's what Milano was trying to do, but we don't know if that was definitively the plan. Maybe Milano simply went to the cabin to kill himself, as a way to protect his family. With him dead, Azazel would move on to someone else to torment.
shareNo. Azazel has no idea who Milano's daughter is when they meet on the street. Had he ever possessed Milano he would have had SOME knowledge of her.
shareNo, it does make sense, since Gretta wasn't known by Azazel. He thought she was familiar. If Azazel possessed her father, he would know her. But since Milano killed himself in the cabin, he kept his daughter safe. Hobbes incorrectly thought Milano wanted to kill Azazel in a showdown like Hobbes tried.
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Also, perhaps Milano (another good soul, like Hobbes) DID lure Azazel to the house, killed his host and then killed himself. But just like Hobbes, he wasn't aware Azazel could jump into animals.
So Azazel jumps into some local critter... a rat, a bird... can it use insects?
Whatever, once it's safely inside something it leaves, finds a human host, goes back to the house and removes the host it came there in along with any evidence that anyone else but Milano had been there. That way it just looks like Milano was a dirty cop who went off and killed himself... which is nice and bleak and plays into the demon's long term plan to create discord and destroy humanity's spirit.
Not excusing the movie, I do think this was a hole in the screenplay and I'm really reaching for an explanation...But remember that Azazel possesses a cat at the end of the movie. It's possible that Milano could have trapped Azazel while he was in a body that wasn't human, and brought it out to the cabin that way. A police report wouldn't have necessarily included a dead cat or dog found on the property, or if it did it's possible that that wouldn't necessarily have rang any bells for someone reading it.
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I think Milano killed himself to prevent Azazel from entering him and thus gaining access to Milano's wife & daughter, Gretta.
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I think that Milano was murdered by Azazel. A couple of things that bugged me, firstly when he possessed James Gandolfini's character he asked specifically about the cabin, he knew about it, yet how could he if he had never been there and why was he so interested?
Secondly, as far as I remember, he didn't mention the cabin to anyone and no-one else knew about it (save for Gretta) as Hobbes had to dig through the archives to find anything about Milano yet Jonesy and Stanton went straight there, Hobbes could have been anywhere (also why was Hobbes so sure he'd go there?) Clearly Azazel knew where he was as he had been there before and done the same thing with Milano, and made it look like a suicide.
Remember as far as the police are concerned, Jonesy and Stanton went to arrest Hobbes. Hobbes took Jonesy's gun, shot Stanton and then shot Jonesy twice (Hobbes' prints would be on the gun) before taking poison. Hobbes' name, just like Milano's (both celebrated cops) would be destroyed.
I think it is clear that Milano tried to kill Azazel but was outsmarted. Hobbes almost used Azazel's plan against him, but failed.
Agreed, he did fail but he came very close to destroying him. Azazel was actually fearful of dying. Look at how quickly that grin left his face when Hobbes mentioned the poison. When he possessed Lou, Gandolfini's character, he wanted to see how much Hobbes actually knew, and he ended up finding it out, when Azazel entered the old lady. "Milano's place? You found something up there. Well, some things pal, you should never know." Very creepy because I think Milano wrote Azazel's name up there and tried to kill Azazel and probably failed. As for Stanton, I think that he knew about Milano and cut Hobbes some slack, if you noticed, look at how Stanton kept giving Hobbes the benefit of doubt when he mentioned him. He even asked Jonesy how Hobbes was doing. Stanton wasn't a bad guy. I think whoever the higher-ups were wanted him to crack down on Hobbes, there could've been another demon because they said on the news that something similar was happening to another decorated cop when Jonesy called him after Art's death.
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Well I mean! This is the sort of behaviour that is not the behaviour of normal people.
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