I read through the other thread discussing Pitt's accent in this film and did some googling and found it really confusing. Some said he was pretty good, while others said his accent was terrible.
Obviously, being Irish in and of itself probably isn't enough to judge any "Irish" accent without consideration for what pariticular dialect an actor is doing. For example, I have an American accent but I have no clue what an accurate Boston accent is, and I certainly can't judge which actors in The Departed did a good job with it and which didn't.
So I have a few questions for any Irish people who have seen the film.
1. Pitt's character is from Cookstown, do they have different accents/dialects from those in Dublin for example? If I understand correctly they have an Ulster accent?
2. For those familiar with the specific dialect Pitt was doing, how do you think he did?
Anyway, since I know nothing about Irish accents, I just thought it would be interesting to hear what you all have to see when taking into consideration varying dialects and geographic influences rather than just comparing his accet to your own or what you're used to.
You are correct, Nearly every county(state if you please) have different accents and are very very different. Strange i know.
And your second question:
I believe he did a very good version of an Ulster Accent, i have heard people saying it was bad but i believe it was very good. Especially being an American.
Like if you compare his accent in this to Tom Cruises accent in Far and Away, which was probably THE worst attempt of an irish accent.
My parents and I are from Belfast, and although I have since lost the accent I can still recognise a bad one. My father and I were laughing our heads off every time Brad Pitt opened his mouth.
(Warning sterotyping) And I love what this says about our cultures. As a rule American actors are not given credit for other English accents. In part this is because they can be so particular, and they are sources of considerable cultural pride & utility in society. Also they're just snobs about it. I really think if you did a blind taste test, and with out a partiular spin on the role, and the actor behind it you would be suprised about the results.
Conversely non Americans actor are frequently not given credit for American accents because Americans don't care to notice, and frequently benefit from maintaining an accent even if it's the wrong one for the role. To be fair fake American accents are not really that much better generally. The difference is most likely in authenticity, where as foreign listener want it dead on, Americans if they even notice the portrayed accent isn't from anywhere American assume it is (*especially Canada).
However, I would say, the non Americans do have a deserved reputation for trying harder. Of coure, more USA-centric types would point out they have good reason too. It's not likely the studio was particularlly worried about how Brad's accent would turn out.
So finally in answer to your question, Brad's accent was crap. IIRC the rummors he didn't even want to do the movie, and there was all sorts of trouble on the set. But I would say it was at least an attempt, and I do have to wonder if there would be nary a word about it if he had been an Irishmen playing an American...
anyone who tells you his accent was awfull are simply asking for too much , i am from the south of ireland and while i do not have a northern ireland accent , i would be more familiar with that kind of accent than most of the rest of the cinema going world , therfore while it may not be an authentic enough accent for someone from northern ireland or specifically cookstown ( wherever that is ( it was pretty solid none the less all things being equal
im sure there are people from county kerry who thought john voights accent in the movie the general was crap but seeing that i and most irish or non irish people are not from kerry either , it was a damm good effort also
Probably means THE MISSOURI BREAKS. That was a great, sing-songy lilt, I'm not entirely sure it was the most accurate Irish accent in the world but many Irish seem to appreciate it so perhaps.
My question is, with all the talented actors who hail from Ireland, or N. Ireland, why couldn't they have cast one of them for this role? Why does Hollywood insist on putting Americans in and dressing them up as foreigners when there are so many talented and high profile foreign actors working today? I thought we were through all that, white folks playing asians and American Indians and all the rest.
well, Brad Pitt is huge box office draw whereas 'the talented actors who hail from Ireland' but with the right Irish accent may not be able to cover their cost. movie making is money making.
I hardly understand Brad Pitt's dialogue lines in the entire movie which means he did a very good job with his Irish accent.
His accent to be totally honest is pretty rubbish. I mean as a general Northern Irish accent i guess it's not completely terrible (definately not as bad as that guy from Charlie's Angels - that was AWFUL!) But anyway in regards to dialect, Cookstown does has a different sort of dialect to Belfast, and Brad's accent here was very Belfast! Although according to the trivia, he was attacked while spending time in West Belfast to help his accent - why would you go to West Belfast of all places, where people are going to have a strong Belfast accent, when you want a country one?
I'll be honest I'm from the South of Ireland so I wouldn't have as much perspective as someone from the North-wasn't the best accent in the world but I have to say, as a general Northern Irish accent, I thought it was decent enough-a DAMN good effort! Generally Irish accents are done pretty crappily by those who do not hail from Ireland but I expected a lot worse from Pitt-I think Northern Irish accents are a lot more distinct though than where I'm from, e.g Kildare, where I think the accent is a lot more generic.
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My question is, with all the talented actors who hail from Ireland, or N. Ireland, why couldn't they have cast one of them for this role?
How many are as famous as Brad Pitt?
Why does Hollywood insist on putting Americans in and dressing them up as foreigners when there are so many talented and high profile foreign actors working today?
Most of the time, Americans and foreigners play Americans while Americans rarely play foreigners. Half of Hollywood's biggests stars are made up of Britons, Irish and Australians. Why so stingy and ungrateful?
I thought we were through all that, white folks playing asians and American Indians and all the rest.
...Where were whites playing non-whites here.
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Did you see me say that there was a white playing a non-white in this movie?
Some people are thick and cannot read between the lines. Since that appears to be you, I'll elaborate. It is common knowledge that through the long history of movies in Hollywood that white American actors were cast to play characters of all nationalities, whether they were American Indian, South American, Cuban, Italian, Asian, Latino, even African American. You get the picture. It is just in the past 10-20 years that actors who are actually from these ethnic groups actually got hired for the roles that are written in the scripts, rather than making a white dude up as somebody else. Sometimes they have been typecast, but at least they are working. However with more actors from both sides of the pond becoming talented at accents, we do see some actors assimilating into other roles. One of my favorites is Karl Urban. He is from New Zealand, yet has been cast in roles as British, American and Russian.
My original point, in case it was just too subtle, is that there are actually many talented actors out there working today who are not white, or American or Brad Pitt and can carry a film for a studio. For eXample, a small film called 28 Days Later cast an unknown actor named Cillian Murphy. They spent 8 million to make the film. It made 45 mil domestic, 82 mil worldwide, all without Brad Pitt, or any other recognizable star. Plenty of movies with big names fail all the time. Movies need good scripts telling stories people want to see. That's how you make money.
Some people are thick and cannot read between the lines. Since that appears to be you, I'll elaborate. It is common knowledge that through the long history of movies in Hollywood that white American actors were cast to play characters of all nationalities, whether they were American Indian, South American, Cuban, Italian, Asian, Latino, even African American. You get the picture. It is just in the past 10-20 years that actors who are actually from these ethnic groups actually got hired for the roles that are written in the scripts, rather than making a white dude up as somebody else. Sometimes they have been typecast, but at least they are working.
Your entire argument is based on your confusing the word 'nationality' with 'ethnicity' so there goes that.
However with more actors from both sides of the pond becoming talented at accents, we do see some actors assimilating into other roles. One of my favorites is Karl Urban. He is from New Zealand, yet has been cast in roles as British, American and Russian.
I like him too. I loved his work in "RED," which I saw recently. So I don't get why the Brad Pitt and other Americans can't catch a break while non-Americans never do.
My original point, in case it was just too subtle, is that there are actually many talented actors out there working today who are not white, or American or Brad Pitt and can carry a film for a studio. For eXample, a small film called 28 Days Later cast an unknown actor named Cillian Murphy. They spent 8 million to make the film. It made 45 mil domestic, 82 mil worldwide, all without Brad Pitt, or any other recognizable star. Plenty of movies with big names fail all the time. Movies need good scripts telling stories people want to see. That's how you make money.
That's a bad example. Murphy was unknown and the film's price tage and distribution reflected that.
You'll always need a quality script and cast to produce a good movie but you may need a big name star sometimes too. "The Devil's Own" was one of them.
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You have just supported my argument. The Devil's Own had not one but two huge stars in it and it was a smashing commercial disappointment. Hollywood is starting to realize that even a big name cannot bring people in to see a movie if it is not a good movie (bad script, bad acting or directing, editing) or not on a topic that the general populace is interested in viewing. If they do not promote their movie properly, that can kill it as well, but the more they spend to promote, the more a movie has to make to be financially viable.
There is article after article in the trade magazines about how many very talented actors in the US have been moving to television since the roles that used to be there in film have dried up. Studios are moving towards large "tent pole" films where they hope to make all their money and small independent type films with very small budgets (where the financial risk for the studio is very small). The films that were being made with the middle budgets (30-60 mil) are becoming hard to come by.
You have just supported my argument. The Devil's Own had not one but two huge stars in it and it was a smashing commercial disappointment. Hollywood is starting to realize that even a big name cannot bring people in to see a movie if it is not a good movie (bad script, bad acting or directing, editing) or not on a topic that the general populace is interested in viewing. If they do not promote their movie properly, that can kill it as well, but the more they spend to promote, the more a movie has to make to be financially viable.
Stars are cast to finance pictures in the first place and star power works most of the time with good and bad movies all the time. To deny there is such a thing as star power is absurd.
I am Welsh, so a fellow Celt & I can tell you his accent was awful, me & my husband can't watch this film without laughing the accent is so distracting.
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IMO good points OP. It's not authentic but it could pass for an American attempt at an Irish accent. The key, his accent is spot on one second, and it drifts to his own accent at others. Typical average actor with a few months practice...certain words he has spot on. But his general attempt at capturing the true dialect is flawed.
Now, if you watch The Departed, the Boston accents are spot on. Because half the cast is actually from Boston.