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what does this film have to do with deconstruction?


This is a hugely entertaining, sparkling and witty comedy. But, despite its enjoyable cleverness, is it really as groundbreaking or philosophical as many people seem to be claiming? After all Bugs bunny was already doing the whole self-referential thing back in the 40s!

The referance to deconstruction in the title seems to be there just as a piece of intellectual sounding jargon, the film never has anything to do with deconstruction as Derrida understood it. In fact Woody Allen seems to use the term as a synonym for literary criticism in general -at one point a student says that she loves "deconstructing" the main character's books because they only seem to be pessimistic when underneath they actually carry a message of optimism. Wouldn't Derrida be utterly opposed to the idea of a text concealing a conclusive and stable "true meaning" beneath the surface?

I'm not saying its a bad movie. In fact its one of the best comedys I've seen in years but I just don't see the relevance to Derrida or deconstruction. If there's something I missed then I'd be only to glad to hear about it!

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The deconstruction of the title invites us to consider the film in a post-structuralist way, the idea of deconstuction being that reality is inherently disjointed, relativistic, paradoxical and indeterminate. When the student says she loves deconstructing Harry's work it seems as if she is telling Harry, the author, what his books are really about, the 'true' meaning. In fact she is telling him what they are about for her and consequently it does not matter what they were meant to be about or what the author's intentions were. What she believes is 'real' is reality for her.


But what the film is really deconstructing is the Woody persona. After all the attention, the traumas, the oscar wins, the scandals, the critical successes and failures, Allen presents the Woody persona as it seems through the prism of being one of the most famous and recognisable film makers in the world for thirty years. You remember the bit in the film where Harry's fictional alter ego Ken appears to him at the fairground and says "You created me, now you don't recognise me." That's what Woody Allen's fictional alter ego would be saying to him if he could talk, which in fact he can, and continues to do, incessantly. And long may he continue.



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Ok, cheers I probably missed a lot of the point of the movie because I havn't seen any other Woody films apart from "everything you always wanted to know about sex..." and wasn't aware of the extent to which the Woody Allen uses the films to play on his public persona. Actually this kind of reminds me of Oscar Wilde.

I still take issue with the student scene though. If someone fixes a text to a single determinate meaning whether they say this is the "true" meaning or just "my" meaning, then they are not practicing deconstruction. Deconstruction is a more subtle and sophisticated mode of interpretation that opens a text up rather than closing it down. I'm probably being kind of pedantic pursuing this point, but if the student had been a true post-structuralist she would probably have ended up using Harry's book to do something like question the cultural assumptions that separate happiness and sadness.

thanks for your post though, I've just got "love and death" out of the library and should start getting into Woody Allen properly over Xmas.

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I have an observation about the title of this film.

In a late scene, a dream sequence no less, a character states, (and I quote loosely,) "All your books, (read "films",) are sad on the surface, which is why I like to deconstruct them because deep down they're all happy, only you don't know it."

Woody Allen is a massively misunderstood artist, especially by the intelligentsia that are his putative fanbase. This is a notion he has parodied in such films as STARDUST MEMORIES and DECONSTRUCTING HARRY, where he presents himself "deconstructed", (so to speak,) in such a way that we are tempted to believe he is expressing the "real" Woody Allen. In DH, Harry even goes so far as to admit to the Adair Professor when discussing a character, "who am I kidding, it's me". This is a trick.

We must remember firstly that Woody Allen (a stage name, but also a persona that fits the public view of a very private man,) is actually a fictional creation of Allen Stewart Konigsberg. So in DH, where we have a character, Ken, who is created by Harry Block, who is created by Woody Allen, who is created by Allen Konigsberg, we cannot be certain of anything regarding the living, breathing human.

While watching the final scene of DH, where Harry recieves applause from all the characters he has created, I was struck by the notion that this has little to do with the real Allen, for if Allen were to experience such an illusion in real life he would be confronted by multiple images of himself. Allen is a relentlessly self-portraiting artist and, although he has created many memorable characters played by others, it is the characters he plays himself that are so closely identified with his artistic vision..

If we deconstruct Allen's body of work, we find that he does not disguise himself in his films, as is suggested. We see the human clearly, but he appears in many guises that fool us into thinking we are getting closer insight into to the character of the human. We are really just getting insight into the character of "Woody".

"Woody" is Allen's true disguise.

"Woody" is, first and foremost, a clown. He his face is painted whenever he performs, because he truly does not wish us to know the human behind the paint. If those who watch him perform are concerned only with who is behind the paint, then they become unwitting participants in his comedy.

What greater cosmic joke for a clown to make to invite us to deconstruct a man who does not exist.

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Allen has created an incredibly rich and varied body of work. I envy that you still have so many of his films to see and enjoy. I have watched DH, SLEEPER, ALICE and RADIO DAYS over the xmas break, and four more diverse films I cannot imagine. I recommend STARDUST MEMORIES, ZELIG, THE CURSE OF THE JADE SCORPION, THE PURPLE ROSE OF CAIRO and, of course, LOVE AND DEATH, which Allen professes to be one of his favorites.

Enjoy!

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So, Swim with birds, what you suggest is that deconstruction is not a practice to find conclusions, but to find questions?

It seems to me that nobody is really sure how to define this concept of deconstruction. This Dirrider opened a can of worms that we're all deconstructing! Delicious.

Was the word 'deconstruction' never used before this Jaques Dirrider cat said it? If not, then I see your problem with Allen using it ambiguosly. But if it was actually a word, Allen is all too justified in using it to describe a film that 'takes apart' the facets and layers of a character.

It's also interesting to consider that many have said that deconstruction tells us there is no truth to be found in and of a given work (but only in its analysis and comparison with other ideas). Is Allen, as suggested by the above poster) telling us that no truth can be know of himself through this work?

>>"Wouldn't Derrida be utterly opposed to the idea of a text concealing a conclusive and stable "true meaning" beneath the surface?"

The film doesn't claim this, surely. Surely it claims that, as an above poster mentions, it is only when examined from the outside, and related to certain emotional ideas by the student, that the work can find meaning.

A certain definition I found says the following of deconstruction: 'a philosophical theory of criticism (usually of literature or film) that seeks to expose deep-seated contradictions in a work by delving below its surface meaning.'Deconstructing Harry' to a tee.

But hey, I'm a Graphic Designer, for goodness sake.

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Deconstruction: The act of constructing, only in reverse.

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It's not about deconstructing art per se. The title should give you a clue. Woody's borrowing the term to deconstruct the main character's life, both personally and artistically. I'm speculating it has a lot to do with his own life. Woody's getting to the age where he really can call his own shots and make really personal statements. I mean, I can really go on and on about "Deconstructing Harry" but it comes down to one thing basically. It's honest. I mean, the main character has enough self-contempt to last at least 2 lifetimes. He admits to his weakness, phobias, being unfocused at times (ie. not being his true self), the sex drive that leads him astray, etc. The list is long but human. I've read criticism of this film on some other boards. But there's no need for anyone to criticize "Harry" or the film, unless it's out of some kind of moral righteousness. Give "the man" his art and this personal deconstruction of his. By the end of the film, he practically admits that art is his one salvation in life, the one thing he knows he didn't make a sh*t out of in life mostly because of the joy he gets from his "created characters" and by extension, the audience who goes to see and enjoy Woody's movies time after time. I mean, art is how "Harry" deals with the turbulence in his life. A lot of the people in Harry's life thinks he portrays them maliciously in his "books" but I see it as his way of coping and releasing whatever it is that he can't release in "real-life". Okay, sometimes he doesn't do a good enough job disguising the characters so that there's hurtful "real-life" consequences but that's more accidental than out-and-out maliciousness. As Harry says, he's been violent once (and that was a real real small one that might not actually count). Deconstructing Harry's not my favourite Woody Allen movie, but I can appreciate its brutally honest self-assessment. In a way, "Harry" may be looking for forgiveness from the people in his life, for example his estranged sister, not necessarily for reconciliation but for the understanding he thinks he lacks in real life.

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i think some of you, quite frankly, are missing the point of the initial poster of this thread. He is trying to find out why WA. used the term deconstructing or deconstruction in the first place, cause obviously the term is vastly loaded with the meaning Jaques Derrida gave it.
I am not saying its a healthy way of looking at a film, I mean its overtly academic and somewhat pedantic towards the larger public, but still WA as an 'intellectual' should be aware of the connotations of the word.

Too be honest I kinda like the notion of deconstructing cause its an ongoing process of naming and defining stuff which may or maybe undefineable in the end.

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Derrida actually defined 'deconstruction'? Must have missed that one. I think the title has to do with Woody's character gradually having his entire life and psychological/moral condition explained to him by the products of his neuroses. At first he comes off as a despicable person because of the way the people in his life view him, but in the end, all of that is relative.

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Since we are reading this on the web, and on the web Jacques Derrida can himself as recorded explain parts of his ideas on deconstruction (like a film, you only ever see parts)... Let's go to the video tape, everybody, and enjoy another thinker on film, and filmed. Derrida, unlike McLuhan, was sadly never in a Woody Allen film. But I offer Derrida as an example that, in the course of any reality (film), the unknown and known collide, and the understood, the mis-understood, and the unknowable all exist simultaneously, constructed and deconstructed. Comedy is the philosophy of mis-understanding and understanding, and slipping all at the same time.

Remember or forget, nothing is completely explained. It might be answered wrongly, correctly, criticized, but not explained.

Jacques Derrida On The Problematics Of Deconstruction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9YaNW7Q0c8&feature=related


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I got my MA in English Literature before deconstructionism became fashionable. THANK GOD.








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Read Derrida and tell me he has any idea what deconstruction is...

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Skeptic Magazine had a great article about what bunk deconstructionism really is, and how Derrida makes next to no sense. I think it was in a 2004 issue, so it might be on their online archive.

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