Did the Schumacher films try to be like the 60's Batman?
Or just ended up comedic because of Jim Carrey.
shareOr just ended up comedic because of Jim Carrey.
shareI thought both Schumacher films were exactly like the 60's series, cheesy as hell. Not as bad as so many people seem to think though.
shareif they were meant to be like the 60's show why is there semi serious stuff like Bruce Wayne's repressed memories, Robin's parents dying and Alfred dying? it seems they were only being humorous and campy with the villains.
shareThe '60s show had some dramatic moments like the public losing faith in Batman and/or villains framing him and in the movie Bruce thinking the villains had killed his new love interest.
shareIt might have something to do with the fact that Schumacher took the dramatic tension of the series backwards. The aforementioned Batman of the 60's was what most people thought of superheroes: goofy imbeciles in spandex running around with over the top dialogue, action, and plot conveniences. Tim Burton's Batman was released and changed the way the cinematic audience saw Batman. While Burton's Batman films weren't flawless, they introduced seriousness to the franchise. Batman 1989 and Batman Returns introduced various themes to the Batman movies: Abandonment, loss, revenge, loneliness, conflict of nature vs nurture, etc. The fact that these dark, depressing themes were in a movie, truly awakened some people to the fact that superhero movies had serious dramatic potential. Hell, the chemistry that Keaton's Batman and Pfeiffer's Catwoman is one of the most interesting relationships on screen out there. So here you have the first two Batman movies; while admittedly campy in some aspects (Nicholson's performance, Prince, Danny de Vito ordering penguins around, etc.), they had taken baby steps to unleashing a dramatic exploration of the character that is the Dark Knight. Then Schumacher stepped in. While these movies are enjoyable to watch, they completely take the direction the Burton movies were going back to the Adam West series. Complete camp, complete nonsense, etc. Granted, Schumacher did try to bring some drama into the series with Mr Freeze's wife, Wayne's relationship with Dr. Meridian... and hey, even the whole discussion with revenge that Bruce has with Dick Grayson in Forever was very well done. But everything else was just over the top, campy, and lacked any sort of dramatic respectability. It was like slowly introducing a child to read more mature literature, then forcing him to read children's books.share
TL;DR It's not that Batman and Robin is bad in itself, it is the fact Schumacher took the series back to the 60's Adam West series when the Batman franchise needed to mature.
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I rewatched Batman and Robin the other year with an open mind, trying to see if it is some kind of lost camp classic. It is really really not. Batman 66 was cleverly written and the performances were totally deadpan and "serious"; B&R has dopey jokes and everyone acts as though they're doing a Batman sketch on SNL.