What's wrong with Schumacher yelling it's a cartoon through a megaphone?
And repeatedly saying "it's a comic book"?
shareAnd repeatedly saying "it's a comic book"?
sharehttp://www.avclub.com/article/last-centurys-batman-films-now-look-blockbusters-a-207512
Just as Burton refined his take on the Bat the second time around, bringing it closer to the mad movie in his head, Schumacher used the roaring financial success of Batman Forever to buy trust in an even loonier adaptation. The director is said to have shouted, “Remember people, this is a cartoon” before takes on the set of Batman & Robin. It had the desired effect: The film boasts the look, feel, and elastic physical reality of particularly awful Saturday morning kiddie fare. Schumacher evidently wanted not just a cartoon, but also a dopey sex comedy, a treacly cancer drama, and yet another sidekick origin story (this one for Batgirl, played by a severely miscast Alicia Silverstone).share
Shouting "remember it's a cartoon" makes him come across as a show off and kinda treating everyone how to do a film like this.
share"What's wrong" is that it's just vague and w/o any real nuance or subtlety.
shareLike George Lucas saying faster and more intense.
Schumacher has become notorious for saying it's a comic book or a cartoon, it's like "what the hell is he talking about", be like him constantly saying "we're making a historical epic here" doesn't give everyone much direction.
Think it must've been embarrassing to be there.
shareHe makes poor choice of words.
shareThey said it was hard to act since it set the tone for the film.
shareI don't think that there's anything wrong w/ making a "live-action cartoon". What went wrong here is that Schumacher and company couldn't decided on one specific tone and stick w/ it all the way. Therefore, B&R doesn't seem to know if it's trying to be a campy self-parody of sorts or serious/dramatic and more in line w/ the Tim Burton films.
shareNothing wrong, it's the way Schumacher puts it, makes it seem like he's trying to be the mega expert on the subject or be the smartest guy in the room when he isn't.
shareKinda ruined him in people's minds.
shareI get it. But I don't think all the "bat-fans" over here, or for that matter, anyone over 30 that still considers himself a super-hero or action movie fan will get it.
They're mad because they feel Schumacher didn't take the genre seriously, and they're right about that - he didn't. In my opinion, Schumacher was right though - it is JUST a comic book, it is JUST cartoon. The fact that billions are still being spent every year to shoot more and more movies based on comic books is a shame to the whole humanity. It's fine to learn your life's lessons, morality, and other crap from these stories when you're a kid. But to keep getting a hard-on when you subconsciously are putting yourself in the hero's place, or when you're driving fast cars (Fast & Furious), it's just plain embarrassing.
I'm not saying I'm better. I still get emotional when watching musicals, even ones that I've watched 200 times. I'm just as silly as you fanboys are, but for a different genre and, I hope, I'm more aware of my silliness.
The weird thing isn't that Schumacher's Batmans were so poorly rated. It's that Nolan's and Burton's are so highly rated, putting them among the best movies ever made.
I've watched - or tried to watch - both Burton's movies and both Schumacher's only now as an adult. I never cared for Batman, even as I kid. I was more a Captain Planet or Duck Tales kind of guy. Now I'll finally be able to watch Nolan's movies, and find out what is it all about. After all, people and friends have been telling me they're actually masterpieces, even for someone who's not a fanboy. It's supposed to be on par with movies like Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather - which I only watched a while ago as an adult too, and although I admit it's a good, perhaps even great movie, I don't think at all it's one of the best ever made.
I'm dreading the fact that, unlike Schumacher's, Nolan's movie take the genre and the story of a man dressing as a bat seriously. I agree Schumacher's movies are terrible for a number of reasons, but at least they didn't try to be something they are not.
One good example of that is John Woo's Mission Impossible 2 - the worst so far in the series. All the other M:I movies were consciously absurd, and just like the Iron Man franchise, that made them funny. But MI2 tried to be artsy, and the result was an unwatchable nonsense of a movie.
Now I'm expecting, from Nolan's movies, to get lectured on serious issues like terrorism, criminality and redemption... by a bat? I hope I'm wrong, but that's a hard trick to pull. If anyone can do it, I'm certain Nolan can. I've watched all his non-Batman movies and they were all excellent.
I've also heard a lot of hype of Heath Ledger's Joker, about how disturbing and well-acted his performance was. That always made me wonder about why horror movies don't get any awards, not to mention little critic and public acclaim. While excellent thrillers like The Shining are equally or more disturbing than, say, the Saw franchise, what sets them apart? I think it's the difference between a story that takes your mind through an insanely appealing trip, and another story that just tries to scare or disgust the hell out of you. I better just watch it and comment on it later though.
Like always, perhaps this is the case when overhype delays my willingness to see a good movie. That's the same reason why I've never paid attention to Star Trek, and although I loved all Star Wars movies, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed with all the attention. You fanboys ruin it for everybody else. It's a damn cartoon, for chrissakes.
No wonder movies like Hancock and now Deadpool are such commercial successes. Most of the world think you guys' obsession with superheroes is quite funny. Except when it's not - like when a fanboy opens fire in a theater room audience while dressed as Batman.
A little bit of obsession can be cute, a lot of it can become dangerous. You won't see me killing imaginary Nazis on the street just because, deep inside myself, I wish I was one of the Von Trapps.
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Saying it's just a comic book or a cartoon out loud it's insult people's intelligence like insulting somebody's religion, Schumacher doesn't care if he said it on TV or public he saids what he thinks without any thought about if it's gonna rub people up the wrong way, be like upsetting horror fans saying horror movies are filthy and childish.
Reason why people scapegoat him for B&R's failure because he uses poor choices of words that rub people up the wrong way.
Why you on this board if you don't care about Batman?