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I really disliked Rasputin in this film. He was a pathetic villain.


I'm awfully sorry if those who's fond of Rasputin consider my post to be offensive. However, I can't help but claiming my disappointment over Rasputin. I thought he was a disappointing and weak villain. Especially after having a genuinely threatening presence in the first minutes of the movie and really impacting the plot with his vicious scheme. After that, he turned 180 degrees and became a pathetic joke. Literally. He becomes a whiny buffoon who's lost all the dignity he had in the beginning. Especially when he was hitting his head and trying to hurt himself every time he failed to kill Anya/Anastasia. Sure, he portrayed a comedic side, but you don't need to be pathetic to do so. Well, that's my opinion, but really, I thought he was a pathetic villain. Anyone else who thinks the same?

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Yeah I think the problem with Rasputin that he was a kind of cheap rip-off on Jafar, just another slender elegant man with a beard who cackles and complains about his failures, nothing really original. His motives for trying to kill Anastasia are so ridiculous that Bartok is right in saying he should "get a life" because Anastasia didn't really do anything to him. Her family banished him and now he's so anxious to get his revenge on her; he's so anxious as though she was the one who ruined him. He also speaks of bringing a curse on the family that would destroy them, yet it was the Bolsheviks that killed the family, that's all the film elaborates on. It was the Czar's own ineffective rule that inspired hatred in the revolutionaries and brought about his abdication and later his death, a curse from Rasputin makes no significance in the family's murder. Rasputin had little to do with their deaths other than his bat minions opening the gates to let the Bolsheviks storm the palace.

This Rasputin is also nothing like the real guy who was really just a crazy monk who kept giving advice to the Romanovs that was ill-used and appeared to have visions and special powers that could help heal the youngest child Alexei through his hemophilia. To me, that kind of person is more interesting to learn about because he was a man of mystery and intrigue, some people believing he was a crazy blasphemous monk and others thinking he was a savior and a radical idealist for religion. With Don Bluth's Rasputin, he's just another evil villain who keeps cackling and complaining about killing a girl he barely knew and making very cheesy puns like "Care for a little swim under the ice" and "How enchanting, together again...for the last time!" Is that anything new for a villain because Jafar had better jokes and vocabulary than this loud-mouthed nutball.

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i remember when i saw this in the theater, a russian couple behind me kept on laughing. I was about 8 years old when it came out, but i later became a history major and understood the story more when i took courses on russia and other similar subjects. Now I see why they were laughing lol. it seemed like he was used for comedic relief.

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Although Shan-Yu is far from my favorite villain, at least he was convincing and genuinely threatening. He was a dignified villain. Which is not something you could say about Rasputin.

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The problem that I have with Rasputin, is that he doesn't fit into the movie too well. I know that the real Romanov family knew a Rasputin, but I doubt he was anything like the Rasputin in the movie. Everything else in this movie was a lot more realistic and sophistacated, but Rasputin here sticks out like a sore thumb! The same thing can be said about Bartok as well.


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Exactly! He's the worst character in this film.


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YEa he could be cut out and nothing at all would be lost or even need to be altered for the movie.

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When I watch this movie as a little kid I thought Rasputin was very very frightening. I was very afraid of him. He just looked creepy and it was really sad what he did. He doesn't remind me of Jafar, I never even thought to compare them, he reminds me of Pitch Black from Rise of the Guardians and the evil dude from Hercules.

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pfft. he doesn't resemble hades from hercules at all!

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He does. Go watch them both. I got them confused a ton when I was younger.

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no, he really doesn't. and i've watched them both. there's something seriously wrong with you if you think they are similar.

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Hm, no. I was going to just say he reminded me of pitch but then for some reason the dude from Hercules came into my mind and I haven't seen Hercules in idk how long. Give me a few hours, I'm going to watch both and then I'll tell you whether I was right or wrong to assume such. I wasn't talking about how they look, I was talking about how they act but maybe I am getting Hercules confused with someone else. Brb

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Hi there. Just ignore worstnameeverrightnow. He's just a troll. I've tried to reason with him before, but he never learns.

Either way, Hades from "Hercules" and Rasputin are quite different personality-wise. Hades is a smooth, wise-cracking, fast-talking guy, while Rasputin is more classically threatening, but whiny.

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Okay, so I watch Hercules and then I watched Anastasia and yes your right, they are very different. However, they had a few similarities like 1) they both was underground 2) Their sidekicks had similar personalities and looks/drawings 3) They both withered up in the end 4) They both dealt with souls except Rasputin spirits where green animals.

But in the end they are still very different. Matter of fact, all of the bad guys are different. Despite what is said, Rasputin is nothing like Jafar either. I still find Rasputin to be really scary that's why it took me so long to come back (Ew, his nails were so long and gross). He basically sold his soul like Meg in Hercules in order to kill a family, But like, that means he is dead also so that's like a lose lose situation. He was just so ruthless and brutal when it came to killing the little girl. Was it really that serious? I think that's why I find him the evilest. Most villains stop once they're dead but this guy stopped at nothing. He kept going LOL.

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jeez, even a five year old would notice their differences.

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Yeah, he seems pretty unnecessary, and his character is probably a weak point of the film. But I'm glad he's in it for two reasons: First, "In the Dark of the Night." That is one sweet villain song! Second, the boat "sleepwalking" scene, which just seemed very chilling and well done to me.

I did laugh at his first reaction though, and Bartok's "Wow" in response.

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He was quite helpless, only made powerful by the demons/spirits he sold his soul to. The vial filled with them is the real villain in the movie. Without them, it's made pretty clear Rasputin can't do anything.

I watched this a long time ago and just today for the first time in awhile. I found it really boring and humorless. The only laughs you could get are possibly from Rasputin, he's the comedic element. Or the bat, but neither is particularly funny.

The other characters are very stuffy and cliche, and the songs are not engaging. Scenes of turmoil are annoying, the ending too perfect and sugary. Not a fan.

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He was quite helpless, only made powerful by the demons/spirits he sold his soul to. The vial filled with them is the real villain in the movie. Without them, it's made pretty clear Rasputin can't do anything.

True, I forgot about that.

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