Why did he kill benny
Hi...
I have now seen the movie, and there is something i dont understand..
If he wanted to help the students, how comes that he killed Benny and hurted Cesar??
I think Garfield was just pushed over the edge, as Rita says in her speech at the end. He tried to help them but they ended up stabbing him in the back, pun intended. All he wanted was to be a teacher but none of his students appreciated what he tried to do for them.
In my opinion though, Cesar deserved all he got, and then some. I think the deal with Benny was that he was stalking the female teacher (no sure of her name sorry) and generally making her life hell, so Garfield put a stop to it.
*beep* garlfield. i love cesar
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Its because the system failed him and all the other teachers. The teacher that he liked was getting stalked by Benny after she testified the previous year. Benny was slapped on the wrist and was placed the following year in her homeroom. Then when Garfield hears that he was threatening her, he took it seriously. He doesn't put anything past the studetns anymore. He did once and he got stabbed repeatedly. So before Benny could hurt the teacher, Garfield killed him.
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what the hell are you talking about?
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si mon i loved Cesar to man, Garfield should of helped them a different way. Killing them makes him worse than them. Im catholic and i believe that if you have good intentions the only way by getting those good things thru is by doing good things, not hurting someone so they will learn a valuble lesson. Its like Dangerous Minds or Freedom Writers with all the attacks the teachers recieved (none to this extent i know still...) the teachers helpt the kids in the end no matter how much trouble the kids were. Garfield wasnt in it for a paycheck like the others he was in it for the kids, he should of then not gone and got revenge. I dont know i liked Cesar and Benny no matter how bad they were i knew kids like them and the environment and before u condemn them u gotta remmeber that in Freedom Writers the African American dude who was not living with his mother cos of the gang life probably killed dosens of people for tiny things like Benny but because they didnt show that you could love him more etc. and in Dangerous Minds Ramirez probably done many bad things similiar to Cesar but because of what they showed its like "Man they have a chance to get out" thats the same with these two like Cesar y Benny both had a chance if Samuel L Jackson found out why they were so bad and helped them, showed love to them por they havent been loved you know. Also like the mothers were nice people and he liked them so by killing them what was he doing to the familia huh? Even if Cesar beat his mother the thing is he could help him and then he could of helped the Ama/Hijo relationship. By what they showed you like Cesar killing a dog and Benny killing that young tagger for no reason you thought "these guys are evil they have no chance" but like i said all those other tough characters in the other 'teacher comes saves inner city school class room' movies probably done the same thing.
Garfield is a chavala puta for doing what he did. No love for him at all. If he learnt Spanish and the Chicano way of living that could of helped understand there situation you know and thenhe probably would of earnt respect. Like when he called Rita a Latina and not a Chicana, with any one else that could be a death sentence you know, help them to help you and then you can impact their lives.
Just my thoughts.
Lowriding Vato From East Jose.
Killing them makes him worse than them.
How is it worse? Murder is murder, and both Benny and Garfield were murderers.
Garfield wasnt in it for a paycheck like the others he was in it for the kids, he should of then not gone and got revenge.
The point of the movie is that he was pushed too far and lost it.
I dont know i liked Cesar and Benny no matter how bad they were
Why do you like gangsters and murderers?
the African American dude who was not living with his mother cos of the gang life probably killed dosens of people for tiny things
Racist comment.
Garfield is a chavala puta for doing what he did. No love for him at all. If he learnt Spanish and the Chicano way of living that could of helped understand there situation you know and thenhe probably would of earnt respect.
Learnt? Earnt? The film takes place in the U.S. where English is the official language. It's not his responsibility to learn Spanish and their culture.
Garfield is a chavala puta for doing what he did.
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ALL THE MAN WANTED TO DO WAS BE A GOOD TEACHER AND HELP THOSE "VATOS" OUT BUT THEY DON'T TAKE KINDLY TO AUTHORITY, SO WHEN HE TRIES TO DISCIPLINE THEY COME BACK TO MAKE HIS LIFE MISERABLE, SO THAT'S COMMENDABLE TO YOU? GARFIELD IS ONLY A HUMAN BEING AND HUMAN BEINGS CAN ONLY TOLERATE SO MUCH THAT THEY BEGIN TO "LOSE IT" AND BEING STABBED WAS OBVIOUSLY TRAUMATIZING ENOUGH
Actually it isnt his place to discilpline them if its outside the classroom so you know killing the dog, tormenting that teacher OUTSIDE of the classroom is the cops problem not his. He dosent have a licence to discilpline bad students outside the classroom. Also i dont think he has that right as a substitute IN THE CLASSROOM but i could be wrong so yeah im not sure if subs can suspend students or whatever. So yeah thats the principal.
Also its never right when 1 person kills wether its a gangsta or "a human pushed too far" because the gangstas are also human pushed over the limit by peer pressure, other gangs, violent homes, violent neighborhoods. Whatever the reason is there also HUMAN so same values on them is on him so if he can kill cos hes "just human" they can kill cos they're "just human". He dosent have some certain right to kill or punish that they dont have. If you kill my friend my compadre then there's consequences, same with him he killed Benny because Benny terrorised his friend and Cesar attacked Garfield because he KILLED his friend. You see its all the same.
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So DatLatinoKidd, what you're saying is, if I were to show up to your house and start writing murder threats all over the place, killing your pets, and otherwise harassing and bringing violence upon you on a daily basis, you'd say "it's cool ese it's for the cops to deal with", even though the cops aren't doing anything? You'd just let me kill you? I doubt it. The fact that you are standing up for Cesar and Benny is just pathetic, I don't mean to judge as I don't know you, but you're coming off as no better than them. Cesar and Benny got exactly what they deserved, "Do unto others *as you would have them do unto you*" and Benny and Cesar are murderers without hearts or minds, you reap what you sew. I sincerely hope you get yourself an education and not act like them or try to be "gangsta" because it'll only get you killed, and the worst part is no one will care, you'll just be another washed up crackhead that we're all glad is gone.
So don't be like that.
You have been watching alot of movies bro ahahah umm ok 1st off yeah ok Cesar and Benny were killers thats true ok fair enough but then again Garfield was a killer. A killer is someone who kills someone yeah? ok so Benny killed some tagger that was *beep* fair enough Cesar killed a pet dosent make him a killer but more like ruthless cos yeah killing a pet is messed up. Ummmm Garfield didnt get the cops involved did he? I mean i think the principal all of them were so ignorant-kinda like you-and so didnt think to get police involved. Garfield killed Benny so that makes him a killer. He took it into his own hands. After that Cesar killed Garfield-well Garfield killed himself so Cesar LITERALLT didnt kill anybody but yeah basically he did. So tell me Benny was harrasing a girl he was in her home basically really harrasing her something hektik and then Garfield instead of calling the cops killed Benny and then Cesar instead of again calling the cops Killed Garfield for killing Benny so tell me whats the difference between the 2??? Garfield killed somebody for HARRASING his friend and Cesar killed Garfield for KILLING his friend bro in the end it seems that Cesar had alot more reason to kill then Garfield did.
2nd bro too many movies lmao ok well i dont act gangsta but my friends are like family so yeah same situation i think anybody who loves there friends like i do and like Cesar did would do the same. Ummmm so how does me saying that exactly contribute to me becoming a junkie crack addict that will end up being murdered and nobody will care because like you said me saying what i said will lead me to being killed???? My brother stop watching so many movies and take a look outside and you'll realise theres NOTHING "gangsta" for protecting your friends. Goes to show how disloyal you must be if one of your friends was being bullied would you stand by and watch or would you punch the person attacking your friend. If someone beat up your friend would you say nothing and act like nothing happened or would you beat the other person up for hurting your friend. If someone killed your friend would you be quiet in the funeral and let it all go away or would you go and get revenge. Its not "Gangsta" its basically just protecting your mates and looking out for them. You could be emo, gangsta, redneck, goth, metal head, raver, nerd, jock or surfer and you would all look out for your friend.
Tell me what you think and eaze off the life lessons
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Sorry people the IMDB censored me i said "yeah thats f_cked up" so yeah i was agreeing.
Like you said at 17 its a different thing and this isnt MY LIFE this is 187 the movie its all fake but like alot of movies has real life situations that i can relate to and maybe you can relate to like you basically said so yeah i am not looking for an argument but i do think that as a 17 yr old person who loves my friend like familia i can relate to Cesar and his situation. I hate beefing on the net im hardly on this thing i just check for replies to a couple discussions.
I see what your saying man Garfield killed before Benny could kill so i get what your saying now bro all good man.
I respect how you replied bro with alot of knowledge and respect so yeah man i appreciate that vato.
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"Cool brother. Respect your friends, show them love, and help them out when you can. I'm all for that, but don't let them drag you down with them because they decide to pull some stupid sh_t, tu sabes."
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It's really amusing watching you and DatLatinoKid giving yourselves a hernia straining as you try to one up each other with totally affected gangstah verbiage. You probably couldn't come off phonier sounding if you tried. Just be proud of living in your momma's basement and don't be so ashamed of what are your obviously homely, non-streetwise existences. Your cover job ain't working.
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dat latino kid is a phony as bitch!
But don't change a hair for me
Not if you care for me