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Why does everybody like Stanley Kubricks movie better than this one???


I'm completely on Kings side of all the negativity he says about Kubricks worthless piece o' sh*t version. I didn't think Jack Nicholsan's acting was scary or disturbing. And it really did not make any sense to me of how Jack was at the hotel in a previous life. I couldn't stand one fu*king minute of when Danny was talking to himself as Tony and using that stupid finger like a talking mouth. After how many times he said redrum while writing it on the door, I just fast forwarded to when Jack began breaking into the room. And it took place in just weeks rather than months. Besides the way everyone is talking sh*t about Courtland Mead as Danny. That's how I feel about Danny Lloyd's appearance.

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Because they realize which is art, and which is...fart.

The Kubrick film IS far superior, in every way.

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I agree 100%! I too never was crazy about Kubrick version. I don't care what anyone says-The Majority can go suck an egg.

THE 1997 VERSION IS WAY BETTER THAN THAN KUBRICK'S CRAPPY VERSION

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Why do people like the Kubrick film better than this? Simple, it's just a better made movie. Kubrick's film was haunting, eerie, and unpredictable from beginning to end whereas Garris'film was cliche, sappy, and laughably unscary. Nicholson's Jack was creepy, quirky, and mildly funny in a twisted kind of way. Weber's Jack was a Hollywood caricature of a family man and a terribly unconvincing psycho. The hotel in Kubrick's film felt bleak and isolated while the hotel in Garris'film felt warm and cozy. The original's scares were disturbing and surreal while the scares in the miniseries were cliche and ineffective. Those reasons are why people prefer the original film, because it's a better movie, simple as that.

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Why do people like the Kubrick film better than this? Simple, it's just a better made movie. Kubrick's film was haunting, eerie, and unpredictable from beginning to end whereas Garris'film was cliche, sappy, and laughably unscary. Nicholson's Jack was creepy, quirky, and mildly funny in a twisted kind of way. Weber's Jack was a Hollywood caricature of a family man and a terribly unconvincing psycho. The hotel in Kubrick's film felt bleak and isolated while the hotel in Garris'film felt warm and cozy. The original's scares were disturbing and surreal while the scares in the miniseries were cliche and ineffective. Those reasons are why people prefer the original film, because it's a better movie, simple as that.

Although I don't dislike the Kubrick film, I disagree with a majority of this. How exactly was the Kubrick film unpredictable? Right from the beginning of the film I expected Jack Nicholson's Torrance to start breaking out an axe and chopping people up. Whereas had I not know the ending of the mini series version from the book, I never would have thought Steven Weber's would have.

People who complain about Steven Weber being a prototypical family man and to nicey nicey to be the villain, (that's the way I saw one person put it in the reviews), totally miss the point. Jack Torrance was SUPPOSED to be a decent fairly nice guy from the start who loved his family, not like Jack Nicholson portrayed him in the Shining as a guy who looked like he had plenty of screws loose to begin with. You almost get the feeling he would have gone crazy and tried to kill his family eventually even without the Overlook.

As for the cozy image of the hotel in mini series, to me that sort of gave it a wolf in sheep's clothing effect. The hotel in Kubrick's version did indeed look ominous, but it was to obvious from the get go. It was chilling in a different way, but still chilling.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Kubrick's film once I came to term with the fact that it wasn't the book, but most of the complaints I've heard about the mini series indicate to me the people complaining just didn't get the story at all.

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Although I don't dislike the Kubrick film, I disagree with a majority of this. How exactly was the Kubrick film unpredictable? Right from the beginning of the film I expected Jack Nicholson's Torrance to start breaking out an axe and chopping people up. Whereas had I not know the ending of the mini series version from the book, I never would have thought Steven Weber's would have.


That wasn't the unpredictable part, everyone can guess from the start that Jack was going to be a psycho since the posters and DVD artworks have pretty much given that away, it was the scares that were unpredictable and kept you on the edge of your seat. The scares were just much more surreal and the lack of clear answers in the plot makes the film all the more fascinating as you'll can't help but wanna watch it again to find all the answers you missed and discuss the film with other people about how they saw the film.

People who complain about Steven Weber being a prototypical family man and to nicey nicey to be the villain, (that's the way I saw one person put it in the reviews), totally miss the point. Jack Torrance was SUPPOSED to be a decent fairly nice guy from the start who loved his family, not like Jack Nicholson portrayed him in the Shining as a guy who looked like he had plenty of screws loose to begin with. You almost get the feeling he would have gone crazy and tried to kill his family eventually even without the Overlook.


Yeah, but his performance still didn't work for me because nothing about it just felt genuine. When he's playing the Jack the family man, he comes across as a Hollywood caricature of a family man and never felt like a real person I can care for and when he goes all-out psychotic, he's just... bad. I know fans of the book are gonna use the "this is like the book" argument but I don't care, because I just don't think it worked on film(at least, not with Steven Weber in the role). Even though Nicholson's Jack was much more of a psycho than the Jack of the book, he was, in his own right, a fascinating character that made you anxiously anticipate what he was going to do next.

As for the cozy image of the hotel in mini series, to me that sort of gave it a wolf in sheep's clothing effect. The hotel in Kubrick's version did indeed look ominous, but it was to obvious from the get go. It was chilling in a different way, but still chilling.


I'm sorry but I didn't get that feeling at all while watching it. The hotel in the Kubrick version didn't look that creepy when Jack enters it the first time and the exterior certainly wasn't too eerie, it was the way Kubrick shot and lit the scenes later on that made it creepy and unsettling. The lighting in this version felt very mundane the majority of the time. I bet if I were staying there, I wouldn't miss a night's sleep whereas the Kubrick version would just drive me insane.

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I'm sorry but I didn't get that feeling at all while watching it. The hotel in the Kubrick version didn't look that creepy when Jack enters it the first time and the exterior certainly wasn't too eerie, it was the way Kubrick shot and lit the scenes later on that made it creepy and unsettling. The lighting in this version felt very mundane the majority of the time. I bet if I were staying there, I wouldn't miss a night's sleep whereas the Kubrick version would just drive me insane.


Agreed 100%. People don't seem to get that it's the Overlook, not Jack, that is the book's antagonist. That's why I don't understand King's rancor for the Kubrick version. The Overlook is one of the most terrifying characters King ever created, and Kubrick gave us a terrifying Overlook. Take away the creepy twins, the blood rushing from the elevators, all of the shots considered classically scary, and it is still terrifying because we know those images really have nothing to do with the hotel taking advantage of Jack's weakness to force him down the chute into murderous insanity. Kubrick's Overlook is a character. The TV Overlook is just a building.

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Kubrick's film was haunting, eerie, and unpredictable from beginning to end
I always have to take issue when someone claims that.

In the book Jack used a croquet mallet as a weapon, but Kubrick changed it to an axe. There's nothing more standard and predictable than a lunatic axe murderer in my opinion.

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In the book Jack used a croquet mallet as a weapon, but Kubrick changed it to an axe. There's nothing more standard and predictable than a lunatic axe murderer in my opinion.


Yeah, but that's a really tiny aspect of the film you are talking about. The imagery, scares, and buildup to Jack becoming an axe wielding murderer was a lot less predictable and scarier than anything in this version.

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Again I disagree. Nicholson's performance was sensational, I don't deny that at all. But as some others have noted, he seemed somewhat semi-insane from the very first scene. We didn't really get to see the gradual deterioration of his character as shown in the book.

I also agree with you about the imagery, scares, and buildup - but a mallet for a weapon would still have been more original than an axe. One expects to see an axe used as a weapon, but a toy mallet? Not so much.

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But as some others have noted, he seemed somewhat semi-insane from the very first scene. We didn't really get to see the gradual deterioration of his character as shown in the book.


I don't think that's what Kubrick was going for, though. His version of Jack seemed to be a guy who didn't like his family much to begin with so the spirits in the hotel used that as a way of seducing him to the dark side.

but a mallet for a weapon would still have been more original than an axe. One expects to see an axe used as a weapon, but a toy mallet? Not so much.


True, but I just feel an axe is scarier than a mallet.

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Axe over mallet every day of the week. Plus with the axe, the here's johnny scene is simply more effective.

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Agree with you 100%. I'm watching this version now. Hated Kubrick's. Jack Nicholson's Jack was ridiculous. He should have just worn a big sign around his neck that said "I'M CRAZY!!!" If I were his wife, I wouldn't take a trip to Target with him, let alone to an isolated hotel for 5 months. Don't even get me started on Shelly Duvall. I spent the whole movie hoping he would kill her. The Shining is probably my favorite King novel; I was so disappointed by the Kubrick effort. He said it was impossible to do the hedge animals so they had a really (not) scary maze. Danny's talking finger was just stupid. This wasn't perfect but a whole lot better than Kubrick's.

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There are 2 things that detracted from this mini-series, IMO... But they're pretty big things...

1.) Courtland Mead cast as Danny ... He's annoying. He's got a weird look about him, probably because he has a deformed mouth. His voice sounds like he's got a mouth full of spit and a nose full of snot. His parents should invest in a king-sized box of Kleenex to enhance his career.

2.) "Kissin' kissin', that's what I'm missin'." This phrase should never have been uttered out loud by anyone. It definitely should not be included numerous times in the mini-series script.

Removing these two things would make the Shining mini-series on a par with or maybe even better than the original movie version.

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Kubrick definitely understood that the real star of THE SHINING was The Overlook Hotel. You must have that setting to make the story work.

The miniseries never even started to look imposing, not even once. It was too cozy, too small.

The Kubrick film IS far superior, in every way.

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As a Stephen King fan I can't watch kubrick's movie again. It was awful to me. I guess that people liked it if they didn't read nor like the book because he's a good director, but when you like the book you just can't because he took whatever he wanted from the book and made a movie so different than the original story that it couldn't please King's book fans. King's movie is a perfect adaptation and Kubrick's movie is just a good movie for horror/thriller movies lovers.

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17 years is a long time

Thats the difference between the versions

MORE CGI in 97 than were even thought of in 80

Jack was scarier than Webber

Duval played scatter-brained, and weak, better than DeMourney (Cmon we were hoping she'd flash a little)

Scatman was awesome the other guy barely

The animals were cool, but the maze was cool also. Here again CGI availability

An ax IS scarier than a croquet mallet. Dude picks up a mallet, you wonder if he wants a game, same dude picks up an ax, you wonder WTF

As someone else said, it was about the building, the second version building didn't emote scary.

The second version was made for TV, Network TV, so had obvious limitations. I wonder what it would have been like if HBO, or Cinemax did the book??? The source material NEEDS longer playing time and no limitations than a theater movie. The same problem with most all Stephen King Books

Hell the 1st version was scarier than the book

I wonder what it would be like if Darabount directed it????? He is the Best director for King IMO




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You have a point, Darabont would totally kill it. He made the best adaptations indeed and I really like his work too, I agree.

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King's movie is a perfect adaptation and Kubrick's movie is just a good movie for horror/thriller movies lovers


Yeah well I'm fan of King's books, including The Shining, and I'll take a good movie over a "perfect adaptation" any day. Faithfulness doesn't exonerate lousiness IMO.

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It doesn't matter how close to the book it is.
It is simply a better made and better acted film than the mini series!

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I don't like the Kubrick film. Flat out. It's disjointed and rather pointless, and at no point is it scary because of these points. The woman in the bath in the mini-series is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen, too.

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It's disjointed and rather pointless, and at no point is it scary because of these points.


And your point is? 

At least King proved to the world he doesn't understand at all what was truly horrific about his own story that he wrote. "Kubrick didn't understand horror" but Stephen is one of the worst screenwriters in existence.

And if that really was the novel come to life, it was D.O.A.
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THE SHiNiNG

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King is jealous! Kubrick made art from semi-crap and he knows it.

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