Is character based on a PGA Player?
Does anyone know if the character, David Simms was based on an actual PGA player? There is one in particular that comes to mind.
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shareI was wondering about this too. My best guess is that it's Fred Couples, although I've never heard anything bad about him. They both played college golf in Texas, they are both well liked by the fans, and they both dress similarly (i.e. the visors). I'll admit the clothing arguement is a bit tenuous, but something about Simms' visor reminds me of the ones Couples used to wear. They both have a bit of a temper, as well, but I guess you could say that about any PGA player. Your guess is as good as mine.
shareI think Couples is too young (1959) for the time frame. I'd heard Simms was based on Ben Crenshaw (1952), which fits the references to all the charity work Simms does. Crenshaw is from Austin and played at Austin High School and then for U Texas at Austin. As an Austinite a couple of years younger than Crenshaw, I heard plenty of stories of Crenshaw's attitude of entitlement toward coeds. I don't know anything firsthand, but the stories started as early as our days at O'Henry Junior High.
shareBut Crenshaw had the balls to win a major.
shareSimms is certainly not based on Freddy; as to Crenshaw, I don't know, but I wouldn't think so; Simms is a conglomerate (sp?) of the private-club, prickish golfers who mask their entitlement and arrogance. (And remember Freddy is a public links kind of guy, a man's man and a people's champion; Freddy's more in line with Cup than Simms.) There are lots of golfers on Tour that I hear are Simms-esque, but few fit in the timeline that would place them around Tin Cup (1996). Interesting question.
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Chip Beck is the closest analogue. He got eaten alive for laying up on the 15th in the '93 Masters when he needed a birdie to tie for the lead.
shareI know that this movie was made way before this, but it also reminds me of Jean Valde Veld at Carnoustie I think in 99, they way he fudged up the 18th hole of the British open. Many eerie parallels.
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shareif anything it has to be based on Gary McCord who is an announcer in the movie. He was in a tournament(not the U.S. Open however) he had a similiar shot like costner's in the movie and he eventually made a 15.
shareThe final hole IS based on McCord's famous 15... Does anyone remember which course that was on and if it is the same hole they used in filming this?
Great movie tho... One of my favorite quasi-sports movies... And one of Costner's best IMHO
Anybody hear the rumor that Phil pudge boy michelson (sp) caught Amy in bed with good ole MJ? Have a buddy that works with Haney at his place in Dallas and Haney told him word on the tour was that amy was sleepin with MJ thats why phil took off that time last year about mid season. Hope its true Phil is a piece of *beep* from what i hear
shareOne of the dumber things that I have heard in a long time.
shareOnce again, this post provides resounding proof that IMDB doesn't discriminate against the mentally challenged.
Way to go IMDB.
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No, this character is NOT based on anyone specific. Certainly not Couples, Crenshaw or Mickelson.
Couples was actually in the movie right near the end, talking to Corey Pavin who one the U.S. Open the year before (he's the one who says "I can't believe a guy named Tin Cup will be right below mine"... Pavin is talking to Couples).
Crenshaw was a gentleman. And Mickelson is a very nice guy who never laid up in his life!
Those who don't think this movie is underated, don't follow golf. Although the movie was not very realistic (crowds and course are much bigger and better)this movie is tremendous in premise. This is EXACTLY what would happen if a guy ever did make 12 on the final hole like this. No one would ever remember who won that year, but everyone would remember the "shot". It would be the greatest shot in U.S. Open history, even if it was for a 12! That's what makes the movie so great. Every golfer has a little "Tin Cup" in them. And we all hit bad shots, but know deep in our hearts that we HAVE that shot in us!
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Good point.
Jean Van de Velde only made a 7 on the last hole in 99 at Carnoustie to lose his lead, and he is the only one that is remembered from that year. Not too many people, besides me of course, rememeber that Paul Lawrie won in a playoff.
Good point.
Jean Van de Velde only made a 7 on the last hole in 99 at Carnoustie to lose his lead, and he is the only one that is remembered from that year. Not too many people, besides me of course, rememeber that Paul Lawrie won in a playoff.
It depends on who won whether or not people remember them or not. Yes not many people remember Lawrie but he was a nobody then and he hasnt done anything since. If say Tiger Woods or Phil Mickelson were the beneficiaries(sp?)of Van de Velde's 7 I guarantee people would remember that they won.
Another similar situation that happened kind of recently was with Justin Rose at the 98 British Open. He didnt make the huge score like Roy but he was a 16 year old kid and major under dog like Tin cup in contention in the final round of a major and he actually holed his approach shot on the 72nd hole for a 2(I think he ended up finishing 3rd or 4th place). It was an unbelievable shot and the crowd went crazy much like Cup's(not as good)but how many people actually remember that shot? Some might but I think more people remember Mark O'Meara winning then Rose's shot.
So the point is yes people would still talk about him 10 years later but not for him actually making the shot but for his meltdown. People tend to forget about shots that take 5 or 6 tries to make. If you take 7 swings in the bunker and you never get it out but your 8th one you finally do and it goes in, do you think people are actually going to commend you on your shot?
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Or golf dweebs like myself who even remember that Justin Leonard was also in the playoff.
I don't think any of the fictional players portrayed in the movie are supposed to be based on any particular person. McAvoy couldn't be based off Van de Velde as the move pre-dates his meltdown. Crenshaw, Couples and Mickelson all have their detractors but at the time the movie was made were generally though of positively. I think Simms was more of a composite of the negative traits of a number of golfers.
David Simms reminded me of Scot Hoch. To chickenS**t to win a major tournament and a bit off an A**hole too
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who was cheech's character based on?
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talk about life imitating art, the van der velde things is almost the same thing happened in this movie, in fact if van der velde had watch this movie before he would be the 1999 open championship
a nobody golfer who came from the obscurity to have a shot to win the most important golf tournament in the world, and he blows it because he wants to shoot the lowest score, the hardest shot every time
well we can rule out david simms=john daly. it could be any of them these days. all the same. today i was watching a group at the pga event. then 3 groups passed & it was like the same players were still there.
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "... I drank what?"
He was based on Greg Norman...apparantly Norman was a prick and rude to the other golfers on the tour
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