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Is it really better if we do not have secrets?


This a movie that has affected me deeply since I saw it first 20 years ago. Over the years, I have constantly revisited the film and examined its themes. The film lies only partially in Cynthia and Hortense's story. Many of the scenes involving Morris working with his clients are what really drive home the movie's point. Mike Leigh makes a fair point. We are constantly obsessed with appearances, and the manner in which we are "perceived" by others. Perhaps most of the pain and distress that we experience in life is often derived from issues related to how others perceive us. It leads to a spiral in which our lives are strangely transported outside our bodies. Each person views his/her life's trajectory, his triumphs, failures, high points and low points largely based on how s/he was perceived by others. Mike Leigh suggests that openly sharing our weaknesses, mistakes and vulnerabilities, rather than hiding or denying them will make others more understanding of us and our actions. But could that really be the case in today's world?

We live in an electronic age in which people have no tolerance for ambiguity. The main function of news stories is not to provide information but to elicit judgments. By the end of each news story, audiences want to arrive to a "s/he is a good/bad/dumb/smart/nice/evil person" judgment, and news stories are written to fulfill that need. It's hard for people to fathom a person with shades of grey, i.e. someone who could be both good and bad, kind and cruel at the same time. For example, Casey Affleck has been "accused" of sexual misconduct. Some people choose to believe that he is innocent because he was not convicted (which does not mean that he did not commit the act) and others choose to believe that he is guilty because he paid a settlement. People find it hard to perceive him in terms of uncertainty, as a person who "may or may not have" committed an act of sexual misconduct, and to separate his performance from that aspect.

And this may not just be a symptom of the electronic age. Human beings are built in a manner that facilitates quick heuristic judgments. Perceiving of a person as both simultaneously good and bad is a cognitively effortful process that cannot be done for long spans of time. This process of "humanizing" others also robs much of our daily conversation of its stimulation. If we were describing the actions of others without passing much judgments that could create feelings of anger, joy or admiration, conversations become boring. Much of the appeal of gossip owes to the pleasure derived from judging others. It is arguable that human nature leads us look for abnormalities in other people that we can use to pass value judgments. In such a case, sharing secrets can only give others ammunition to dehumanize you.

And there lies the conundrum. Being authentic to oneself, one's past, and mistakes is all fine and dandy, but is that really practical in today's world. Consider an ex-criminal who was convicted for shoplifting in the past, and has now moved to a new town. Will he be more empowered if he shares his criminal history? What do you guys think?

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All things considered yes.

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Very well said, Moviefan, very well said. I enjoyed reading what you have said as much as I enjoyed the film.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Good post.
I think it is a great take on life, to have no secrets and lies.
But I personally would find it impossible and impracticable, and I believe lots of them happen for a reason bigger than us that we are struggling to deal with, which will became risky or dangerous if brought out in the open, mostly because of society's stupidity, not our own.

The criminal in a new town has 2 options:
be himself, a good guy who wants to build a new life in this town for his own goddamned personal reasons, or
be what he happeed to be, an ex criminal who made a mistake and will be judged by it no matter how distant it is.
To me, Cynthia is totally right for keeping her first daughter a secret till she comes looking for her.

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IMHO it's impossible to live without secrets or lies, the best we can do is limit ourselves to small, well-intentioned secrets and lies. Life with other humans is infinitely complex, and complete honesty is neither kind nor advisable.

There are many kinds of secrets and lies, some are the small and harmless kind, like "I hate my SO's favorite outfit" or "Mother doesn't know I used drugs in high school", the kind that aren't voiced because they'd accomplish nothing but to hurt others. Then there are the secrets kept out of self-preservation, the "I hate my co-worker", which a person keeps quiet out of self-preservation, I don't think those are avoidable. It's the nasty secrets we shouldn't have in our lives, like "You don't know I'm cheating on you or that I'm about to steal your 401K", because we shouldn't do that shit. If we don't do it in the first place, there's no need to lie.

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I find some big lies to be even more important, curiously.
Not condoning them, just saying.

Lots of people say "if you cheat, I don't wanna know".
I understand them, often the cheater just confesses to unload his o her own burden, and just hurts the other one even more.
So a lie would be good in this case.
Same for stealing, etc.
Sometimes lies are a lifestyle.

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Yes, confessing about bad actions just to unburden one's self or to be honest can be extremely selfish and hurtful, and is one of the reason that I'm favor of limited secrets and lies. If unburdening your secret would hurt others, don't fucking unburden yourself!

I'm afraid keeping some appropriate secrets is part of the social contract between humans, and I don't just say that because my job involves so much confidentiality. I work in a field which deals with personal information, and my employment contract, professional ethics, and government regulations require me to absolutely, positively, keep other people's secrets. Whole industries require people to keep other people's secrets, and nobody with any sense wants to change that.

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Yes, I agree.
So what do you think of this movie's main point?

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You know, I don't remember!

I was just discussing secrets in general.

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Ok, the movie wraps it up by showing a clear improvement over the lives of everybody involved after all the secrets are revealed (Cynthia had a daughter when she was 16, Maurice and his wife cannot have kids, etc).
They seem to have turned their miserable lives around (or what was miserable about it).
It's a happy ending and I think the main point of the movie is, wouldn't life be much better if we didn't create these barriers and contrasts with the secrets and lies we tell each other?

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That was fiction, I'm not convinced that airing all secrets results in happier relationships in real life.

In real life, when people find out too many of each other's secrets, they can lose interest in the other person... particularly if they end up finding out that the reason they were interested in the other person in the first place was a lie!

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Well ok, but that is misrapresentation.
If I tell you I am an astronaut to impress you and later reveal that I flip burgers, it is only natural to lose interest in the other person.
If I do not tell you a shameful secret instead, it would be better for you to accept it if you ever find it out.
That is what the movie is pointing out, that we should be more accepting, and less secret and lies would be necessary, and we would all be better off.

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